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November 29, 2020, 02:49:47 PM
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Fiat money is easy to use anytime, anywhere and it is tangible unlike bitcoin which is digital currency, you can't touch and it always needs internet connection in order to make a transactions and need knowledge how to use it. Criminals don't like a complicated transaction and also if they use crypto, they need to learn it first.

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November 29, 2020, 03:35:54 PM
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I think they are not using crypto because to aquire a large amount of crypto they need to buy it with fiat and there are not many black market holders with large funds to buy crypto from so they need to purchase throught legal ways and that will compromise their identity plus a big portion of the illegal activities are done manually(hand to hand) so cash will make it easier for them.
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December 03, 2020, 05:35:02 PM
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If smart group is using this one then they know the value of anonymous transaction.

However, there is loop hole in such transactions. They can not easily launder huge amount of money which is coming from the crypto space. Today or tomorrow they will need the crypto's converted to fiat for their daily needs. The only source they can the money is via their bank accounts.
Just imagine millions of transactions getting recorded in the bank account will surely sound the alarm for local authorities.

So it's still confusing for them and good for us since we will get great deal of volume in the crypto space.

To be able to use crypto thoroughly, one needs to have some technical background. Average criminals are not tech-savvy enough to be able to hide their nefarious actions when using crypto. They prefer physical cash (Fiat) on top of crypto because it's extremely easy to use, anonymous, and stable. Besides that, criminals can pay with physical cash regardless of catastrophes such as natural disasters, a war, etc. Crypto has many downsides to it, which limits mainstream adoption. At least, the number of legitimate use cases on crypto are increasing at a fast pace. This should allow the approval of crypto/Blockchain tech by mainstream governments. Things would've been worse if criminals used crypto in mass. It would stifle the growth of the industry as we speak.

Nonetheless, time will tell us whenever criminals will continue to use Fiat or switch to crypto altogether. With CBDCs, governments will be able to keep track of every transaction performed on the ledger (which greatly undermines a person's privacy). Since physical cash will no longer exist, the only alternative against government surveillance will be crypto. My guess is that privacy coins will be heavily used for criminal activities in the future. Once that happens, one would expect a full government crackdown on any cryptocurrency with anonymity features. At least, Bitcoin and other non-private cryptocurrencies will be able to survive for long. Privacy coins will eventually fade into oblivion because of the aforementioned reasons. Just my thoughts Grin

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December 03, 2020, 07:52:33 PM
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They might likely adopt the new technology or maybe its too complicated for them to use crypto currencies. They prefer fiat because its easy to handle it could be untraceable if they wanted too. Majority of them might keep it traditional if fiat system will not change, however it won’t be easy for them to transact fiat anymore if the government will push the use of CBDC to its citizens so a privacy coin could be there last option but the problem now is authorities are starting to crack these privacy coins nowadays.
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December 03, 2020, 08:43:57 PM
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They might likely adopt the new technology or maybe its too complicated for them to use crypto currencies. They prefer fiat because its easy to handle it could be untraceable if they wanted too. Majority of them might keep it traditional if fiat system will not change, however it won’t be easy for them to transact fiat anymore if the government will push the use of CBDC to its citizens so a privacy coin could be there last option but the problem now is authorities are starting to crack these privacy coins nowadays.

Follow the simple logic...on the street level you can deal with cash, but as you go higher it's becoming impossible to make deals with cash! Nobody is carrying or have at home +10M in cash (except some drug lords probably!)
And you can't generalize this matter, some criminals prefer crypto instead fiat, of course if they know how to use it in the right way, and there're many good examples for that!
In the end criminal is just a person that is doing something illegal! As long there's a need for people to do illegal stuff they will do it, and they will find a way to charge it and transfer that money everywhere around! With time, it's getting harder for them (if you know history you know how illegal activities survive despite all those new government measures, rules, jails (all kind of punishments), agencies, spying equipment....) but people will adapt! It's the process of surviving!

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December 03, 2020, 10:02:48 PM
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I'm not sure you have any influence whatsoever on what items criminals use to store their ill-gotten gains. They will use whatever currency they want if it helps them move money around or hide it from government organisations like the police. It's better if all governments work together to stamp out law breaking worldwide if you really want to prevent Bitcoin from being tarnished by rule breakers, but it is unlikely to happen as lots of people turn to crime for "easy money".

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December 03, 2020, 11:08:47 PM
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Mostly we can see two kind of criminals. One is the high tech criminals and the other is local criminals. These high tech criminals have little knowledge about the technology advancement, but those weren't used on the criminal activities as they haven't used to it. Local criminals keep them engaged on small level of crimes around the locality. So there is very limited usage of bitcoin by criminals.

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December 03, 2020, 11:53:58 PM
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I do not believe in the complete anonymity of any transactions on the Internet. You give cash in your own hands and it is not recorded anywhere, while little is known about cryptocurrencies, although everyone claims to be anonymous. In fact, only the creator of the token knows about the real state of affairs.

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December 04, 2020, 09:46:11 AM
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You need to ask yourself why hackers demand crypto when they carried out successful hacks on their victims? Criminals have different levels of smartness and understandings, each of they choose what's best for them, though it's hard to stay off the radar online without been traced successfully but it's still damn possible
that's different thing. Those so called hackers that encrypt their victim data demand crypto because that's the only way to extort safely without limitation on how far the victims are. But, criminality in real life usually done with cash.

For example drug dealing, they usualy uses cash not bitcoin though there's history of drug dealers caught using crypto

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December 04, 2020, 09:59:43 AM
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I do not believe in the complete anonymity of any transactions on the Internet. You give cash in your own hands and it is not recorded anywhere, while little is known about cryptocurrencies, although everyone claims to be anonymous. In fact, only the creator of the token knows about the real state of affairs.

The Bitcoin blockchain is transparent.  Information in the blockchain is fixed forever.  The offender can already forget about his crime.  However, the information about the financial transaction is still on the blockchain.  This information cannot be removed from there.  

Riccardo Spagni (the main ideologue of Monero) advises against using Monero to commit crimes.  Yes, Monero is the most anonymous and confidential of all cryptocurrencies.  However, regulators are constantly looking to hack Monero.  Tracking of transactions is possible.  People are frivolous creatures.  They tend to make mistakes and neglect safety considerations.

Therefore, it doesn't make sense to use cryptocurrency to commit crimes if there is cash.

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December 04, 2020, 10:34:53 AM
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Criminals are used to running their business using fiat currencies. If they will in any way consider using crypto, I am very sure they will need to understand what it is including the pro and the cons. I am very sure many of these criminals will be dealing with a huge amount of money which means if they have it in crypto for ease of transfer, they might end up making use of a centralized exchange that will Require KYC before they can withdraw. DEX could have to be a choice but due to low liquidity, they might have a problem handling and processing a huge amount of money. The issue of the government banning crypto due to wrong used has been emphasized and the chances are small. Every currency has its pro and con including fiat so we cannot because of the cons stop using fiat
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December 04, 2020, 05:50:05 PM
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Maybe that is because of their safety, we all know that technology and security are innovated that they can access everything especially illegal activities. We can say that they are using fiat because they are aware that technology can track them. They can monitor the movement of their illegal work if they are choosing fiat as a mode of transaction. There are actually lots of hackers that can access their transactions and also hackers that are supervised by the government. Also, it is depending on the knowledge of a criminal about the knowledge, if they can use it, why not to use it right?
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December 05, 2020, 12:28:22 PM
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It is very difficult to cash out on a large scale, as it attracts the attention of law enforcement agencies, and the criminals always need cash. It is better for us to hide the earned money from the government in cryptocurrency and use only the amount that we need.

How would they notice if these people are taking money on cash and not withdrawing it on the banks? They won't be able to track this cash wherever they go while transactions in bitcoin could be tracked as every transactions happening can be seen in the blockchain.

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December 05, 2020, 01:08:06 PM
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Its obvious that criminal's needs instant money because all their attention is to achieve their objective or aim towards looking at criminals very well no of them like delay, going on fiat currency it's very easy and easier to grab it without much circumstances but going on cryptocurrency especially bitcoin they will undergoes different process in order to actualised their objective towards crypto, it seen as one of the reasons criminal have to isolate crypto and face fiat currency, shall I will say that it's based on individuals who involve as a criminal, and normal without much agitation criminal have to prefer fiat currency because them know it very well.

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December 05, 2020, 01:34:45 PM
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Criminals are used to running their business using fiat currencies. If they will in any way consider using crypto, I am very sure they will need to understand what it is including the pro and the cons. I am very sure many of these criminals will be dealing with a huge amount of money which means if they have it in crypto for ease of transfer, they might end up making use of a centralized exchange that will Require KYC before they can withdraw. DEX could have to be a choice but due to low liquidity, they might have a problem handling and processing a huge amount of money. The issue of the government banning crypto due to wrong used has been emphasized and the chances are small. Every currency has its pro and con including fiat so we cannot because of the cons stop using fiat

This is exactly the answer there is no way for them to widraw it back to cash without using exchange which it will require kyc and it's easy to track it using their bank account which is way too dangerous compare to direct using Fiat currency.  Cryptk currency as way of payment will only work if they are planning to hold it for long term, means they will not convert it Fiat currency or if ever they do there are persons that will buy them directly using cash without using bank account .

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December 05, 2020, 03:14:27 PM
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The only way to avoid not getting caught online is by never changing crypto for fiat, even if you hack or steal digital assets you will still need to sell for FIAT and all platforms that accepts switching crypto to Fiat requires I.D Verifications, KYC is a must, so when address to address are been tracked it will lead them to your Fiat gateway, that will put the person in hot soup

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December 05, 2020, 03:16:31 PM
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I used to ask myself why hackers are stealing coins that can't be sold or change to Fiat without getting caught, this days address can be traced or tag, binance exchange for example is very good at blacklisting a scammer address, they will keep tracking until the hacker made a mistake one way or the other, smart criminals will prefer Fiat over digital currency because Fiat is less traceable

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December 05, 2020, 04:03:30 PM
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I used to ask myself why hackers are stealing coins that can't be sold or change to Fiat without getting caught, this days address can be traced or tag, binance exchange for example is very good at blacklisting a scammer address, they will keep tracking until the hacker made a mistake one way or the other, smart criminals will prefer Fiat over digital currency because Fiat is less traceable

Fiat in the form of cash is surely less traceable than crypto, but then there are huge risks, for cash to be used they have to be physically transferred from one place to another which involves lots of middle men which can cause more problems for them than simply using crypto and using a bunch of coin mixers to prevent being caught. Ultimately when they sell they might try to sell through peer to peer exchanges!
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There may be several reasons for this.  In general, of course, cash is less traceable than cryptocurrency.  Also, not all criminals are well versed in cryptocurrency.  Therefore, they are simply afraid to use it.  On the one hand, they are afraid that they can be identified, and on the other hand, that they will not be able to cash out the cryptocurrency in the end.

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December 18, 2020, 05:36:27 PM
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There may be several reasons for this.  In general, of course, cash is less traceable than cryptocurrency.  Also, not all criminals are well versed in cryptocurrency.  Therefore, they are simply afraid to use it.  On the one hand, they are afraid that they can be identified, and on the other hand, that they will not be able to cash out the cryptocurrency in the end.

That's certainly true, mate. Physical cash will always be the leading choice for criminals, because of its anonymous nature. Not to mention, it's always stable in price. Criminals will need to exercise extreme caution when using crypto in order to avoid leaving any trace that would create a link to their identity. While there's already a solution for full-fledged privacy on crypto, it's somewhat complicated for the average person to understand. I doubt criminals will take the time to study crypto in order to use it for their nefarious actions. As Fiat is much easier to use than crypto, it'll continue to dominate the "underworld".

At least, crypto land will be able to enjoy legitimate use cases in the mainstream world. The less illegal activity there is on crypto/Blockchain tech, the better it'll be for its approval by governments worldwide. These entities will give crypto the "green light" as long as the majority is contributing towards a good cause. The day when most people conduct illegal transactions on crypto, will be such when governments crack down on the entire industry. Considering that the number of malicious actors are slightly reducing on the crypto/Blockchain space, it shouldn't be long enough before the whole industry is legitimized. I wouldn't worry about criminals on crypto, as most blockchain networks are open for anyone to explore. Governments can simply track & trace transactions on transparent blockchain networks like Bitcoin and Ethereum in order put illegal activities to rest. Just my thoughts Grin

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