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September 28, 2020, 08:09:24 AM
Last edit: September 28, 2020, 12:34:20 PM by JollyGood
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The Guardian:
"New York Times publishes Donald Trump's tax returns in election bombshell


Donald Trump, a self-proclaimed billionaire,

paid only $750 in federal income taxes in the year he was elected US president,

according to a stunning New York Times investigation

that could shake up the presidential election."






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What seems to be clear is that Trump paid just $750 in federal income taxes in 2016 which was the year he became President and again just $750 in 2017 too.

  • Trump paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years
  • Trump paid no federal income taxes in 11 of 18 years NY Times reporters examined

Will that be enough to make voters feel disappointed with Trump? Or will the fact that Biden is the one who would replace him as President be enough to scare voters to keep Trump in power?

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Full details here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/27/new-york-times-publishes-donald-trumps-tax-returns-election
And here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage



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September 28, 2020, 08:36:50 AM
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Will that be enough to make voters feel disappointed with Trump? Or will the fact that Biden is the one who would replace him as President be enough to scare voters to keep Trump in power?



It really depends on the tax issues behind it. I read somewhere that Trump gave up all the control on his companies when becoming president so that there wouldn't be any conflict of interest. So if he doesn't have any control over the money and all returns are reinvested he might not have to pay taxes on them. And also some losses from the past can be matched against current earnings. Tax law is crazy complicated. Just look at Amazon almost paying no taxes in Europe, and still people buy as crazy on Amazon. Tax evasion is viewed not as a hard criminal activity in many countries.
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The Guardian:
"New York Times publishes Donald Trump's tax returns in election bombshell


Donald Trump, a self-proclaimed billionaire,

paid only $750 in federal income taxes in the year he was elected US president,

according to a stunning New York Times investigation

that could shake up the presidential election."



---------------

What seems to be clear is that Trump paid just $750 in federal income taxes in 2016 which was the year he became President and again just $750 in 2017 too.

  • Trump paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years
  • Trump paid no federal income taxes in 11 of 18 years NY Times reporters examined

Will that be enough to make voters feel disappointed with Trump? Or will the fact that Biden is the one who would replace him as President be enough to scare voters to keep Trump in power?

---------------



Full details here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/27/new-york-times-publishes-donald-trumps-tax-returns-election
And here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage


It really depends on the tax issues behind it. I read somewhere that Trump gave up all the control on his companies when becoming president so that there wouldn't be any conflict of interest. So if he doesn't have any control over the money and all returns are reinvested he might not have to pay taxes on them. And also some losses from the past can be matched against current earnings. Tax law is crazy complicated. Just look at Amazon almost paying no taxes in Europe, and still people buy as crazy on Amazon. Tax evasion is viewed not as a hard criminal activity in many countries.

@JollyGood first of all we need to understand that his tax files are yet under audit, hence we can’t actually believe this report to be true. Secondly like @Mauser righty said that tax laws are complicated, and hypothetically let’s assume that this report is indeed true, then too I see nothing wrong here because if a persons assets are in deep losses then how would he be expected to pay taxes?.
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September 28, 2020, 09:55:27 AM
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54319948

As per the BBC News: "In a public filing, President Trump said he made at least $434.9m in 2018. The newspaper disputes this, alleging that his tax returns show the president had instead gone into the red, with $47.4m in losses."

I think there is a huge disparity between the $434.9 million that Trump claims he made and the $47.4 million losses that the New York Times claims he actually incurred - therefore if trump thinks he is right he should sue the NYT. So will he do it?

Let us see what he says about these allegations when he attends his next press conference.

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@JollyGood first of all we need to understand that his tax files are yet under audit, hence we can’t actually believe this report to be true. Secondly like @Mauser righty said that tax laws are complicated, and hypothetically let’s assume that this report is indeed true, then too I see nothing wrong here because if a persons assets are in deep losses then how would he be expected to pay taxes?.

There's a 99.99% chance the reports are true. The NYT wouldn't run a story like this without some level of truth. They may not give the full context, but you HAVE to think a billionaire would take all the deductions he's entitled to.

Trump already tweeted fake news in response, *facepalm*. Creating a distraction is probably a better strategy. Hunter Biden taking a 3.5M wire from a former Russian governmental official is in the news, he could try that. The MSM has hardly mentioned it, which is not surprising.
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Here are the top 6 highly damaging allegations:  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/27/new-york-times-trump-tax-returns-key-findings



Trump pays little tax
The Times reported that Trump paid no federal income taxes in 11 of 18 years the newspaper looked at. In 2017, after he became president, his tax bill was only $750. This is despite Trump often railing against taxes in America and ushering through a series of tax cuts that critics say mostly helps the rich and big business. The Times said of Trump’s immediate predecessors: “Barack Obama and George W Bush each regularly paid more than $100,000 a year.”


A long audit – with potentially hefty costs
Trump is involved in a decade-long audit with the Internal Revenue Service over a $72.9m tax refund he claimed, and received, after declaring huge losses. A ruling against him could cost him more than $100m, the Times reported.

It added: “In 2011, the IRS began an audit reviewing the legitimacy of the refund. Almost a decade later, the case remains unresolved, for unknown reasons, and could ultimately end up in federal court, where it could become a matter of public record.”


Ivanka helps reduce Trump’s tax burden
The president’s oldest daughter, while working as an employee of the Trump Organization, appears to have received “consulting fees” that helped reduce the family’s tax bill, the Times said. Such a revelation might further tarnish the reputation of Ivanka, a senior White House adviser married to another, Jared Kushner, who often tries to distance herself from some of the biggest scandals of her father’s administration. She is widely believed to harbor political ambitions of her own after Trump leaves office.

The Times reported: “Trump’s private records show that his company once paid $747,622 in fees to an unnamed consultant for hotel projects in Hawaii and Vancouver, British Columbia. Ivanka Trump’s public disclosure forms – which she filed when joining the White House staff in 2017 – show that she had received an identical amount through a consulting company she co-owned.”


Trump businesses lose money
The Times was brutal in its assessment of Trump’s businesses, about which he often boasts and on the back of which he sought to promote a carefully curated image as a master businessman. “Trump’s core enterprises – from his constellation of golf courses to his conservative-magnet hotel in Washington – report losing millions, if not tens of millions, of dollars year after year,” the newspaper said.

It detailed how since 2000, Trump has reported losing more than $315m at his golf courses, with much of that coming from Trump National Doral in Florida. His Washington hotel, which opened in 2016 and has been the subject of much speculation regarding federal ethics laws, has lost more than $55m.


Trump has a big bill to pay
The newspaper also reported that Trump is facing a major financial bill, as within the next four years, hundreds of millions of dollars in loans will come due. The paper said Trump is personally responsible for many of those obligations.

The paper reported: “In the 1990s, Mr Trump nearly ruined himself by personally guaranteeing hundreds of millions of dollars in loans, and he has since said that he regretted doing so. But he has taken the same step again, his tax records show. He appears to be responsible for loans totaling $421m, most of which is coming due within four years.”

In a blunt summary of the problem, the Times speculated: “Should he win re-election, his lenders could be placed in the unprecedented position of weighing whether to foreclose on a sitting president.”


Trump businesses profit from his presidency
The issue of whether Trump’s businesses benefit from his position in the White House has been one of the long-running themes of reporting on the Trump presidency. The global nature of the Trump Organization and its portfolio of hotels, resorts and other interests has left Trump open to speculation that lobbyists, business leaders and foreign powers could spend money in them to try and peddle influence in the US.

The Times report on his tax returns is clear that Trump’s businesses have indeed benefited from his political career.

“Since he became a leading presidential candidate, he has received large amounts of money from lobbyists, politicians and foreign officials who pay to stay at his properties or join his clubs,” the newspaper reported, before detailing monies paid at his Mar-a-Largo resort in Florida, his Washington hotel and other locations.

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Wow... while the other citizens are so afraid of the IRS, he doesn't pay anything even though he is one of the richest in the US if not the most.

Imagine all those minimum wage workers and middle class they pay half of their shit every year and then this happens.

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Trump has done all kinds of things in his presidency. Some are good; others are not so good. Some people have opposite opinions about the things that are good, whether they are good or not. But here is the place where Trump fails to do a BIG CHUNK OF GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE.

Trump knows how to get away without paying much tax legally, right? And in some years, no tax at all, right? So, why doesn't he show the rest of us? He could easily hire some writers and technical people to put together a manual for not paying taxes for us, right?

Look at it this way. Government people are toying with the idea of giving us all a big chunk of UNEARNED INCOME. If government is thinking about paying us to live for nothing, but just can't figure out the way to do it properly, they can easily start with one thing that they can do... get rid of the IRS and taxation. Let the IRS people get out there and find something worthwhile to do rather than mess with the lives of other people, right?

Trump can start right now by figuring out ways that we can copy him, and pay little or no taxes. Then he can urge Congress to get rid of the IRS.

There is something in this whole operation of taxation that we don't understand. And it isn't simply that Trump has figured out ways to pay no tax. Lots of people do it. Many of them are corporate leaders... big income people. But there are many average income people who are quietly doing the same.

How do they do it? Let the rest of us know.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54319948

As per the BBC News: "In a public filing, President Trump said he made at least $434.9m in 2018. The newspaper disputes this, alleging that his tax returns show the president had instead gone into the red, with $47.4m in losses."

I think there is a huge disparity between the $434.9 million that Trump claims he made and the $47.4 million losses that the New York Times claims he actually incurred - therefore if trump thinks he is right he should sue the NYT. So will he do it?

Let us see what he says about these allegations when he attends his next press conference.

I think that this is done because it is legal when filing disclosures/ other documents (like bank financing) you're allowed to estimate what your income is going to be, instead of sending in the fully cleared documents when your filing out your tax returns. Plus for your tax returns you MAY be carrying a loss forward from prior years, something that wouldn't really make sense to do on a disclosure of income form.

Trump is going to deny this, I don't think that's surprising though. Who knows if this'll turn into an October surprise that can take down Trump. I think we're all expecting for some anti Biden news to come out soon to counteract all of this.




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September 28, 2020, 05:00:49 PM
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Well Trump definitely is not the richest person in the USA - there are too many people that are richer than him but yes while others are afraid to play the system to benefit themselves against the IRS, Trump seems to be wriggling out of everything except making token tax return payments of $750 per year.

Just unbelievable that any prospective or sitting President could do that when so many citizens are on the poverty line.


Wow... while the other citizens are so afraid of the IRS, he doesn't pay anything even though he is one of the richest in the US if not the most.

Imagine all those minimum wage workers and middle class they pay half of their shit every year and then this happens.

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Well Trump definitely is not the richest person in the USA - there are too many people that are richer than him but yes while others are afraid to play the system to benefit themselves against the IRS, Trump seems to be wriggling out of everything except making token tax return payments of $750 per year.

Just unbelievable that any prospective or sitting President could do that when so many citizens are on the poverty line....

Wriggling?

Aren't you pointing to a problem if not in your own understanding and prejudice or inclination, then with the IRS?

They audit and correct tax returns all the time. I think I'll take their opinion on the returns in question rather than yours, as to whether it was done correctly.
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I wont be choosing side for USA presidency, I just wonder why the revelation is coming out now that the election is close, especially from dailies that had always been against him. I am expecting  response from the Presidency soon as campaign is ongoing. If the Tax news is true he might struggle to defend it but will it cost him the election? Partisanship is everywhere and it might play a long way in the choice of leader.

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Well Trump definitely is not the richest person in the USA - there are too many people that are richer than him but yes while others are afraid to play the system to benefit themselves against the IRS, Trump seems to be wriggling out of everything except making token tax return payments of $750 per year.

Others are not politicians. Politicians are fair and honest. Since they make laws, they should not abuse them. It is very similar as if we would elect pope who would be an atheist.  We can do it, but would have little sense to do it.  
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Well Trump definitely is not the richest person in the USA - there are too many people that are richer than him but yes while others are afraid to play the system to benefit themselves against the IRS, Trump seems to be wriggling out of everything except making token tax return payments of $750 per year.

Others are not politicians. Politicians are fair and honest....

Really?
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Many see what Trump has done with his tax returns as being out-and-out fraud and criminal offending because he is exaggerating his losses in order to pay less taxes and in the eyes of many ordinary voters: exaggeration = fraud

Trump may yet try to squirm out of it but we have to wait for his press conferences about it, he has so far said that the NYT publications are fake news - what is new with his response?

Trump has done all kinds of things in his presidency. Some are good; others are not so good. Some people have opposite opinions about the things that are good, whether they are good or not. But here is the place where Trump fails to do a BIG CHUNK OF GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE.

Trump knows how to get away without paying much tax legally, right? And in some years, no tax at all, right? So, why doesn't he show the rest of us? He could easily hire some writers and technical people to put together a manual for not paying taxes for us, right?

Look at it this way. Government people are toying with the idea of giving us all a big chunk of UNEARNED INCOME. If government is thinking about paying us to live for nothing, but just can't figure out the way to do it properly, they can easily start with one thing that they can do... get rid of the IRS and taxation. Let the IRS people get out there and find something worthwhile to do rather than mess with the lives of other people, right?

Trump can start right now by figuring out ways that we can copy him, and pay little or no taxes. Then he can urge Congress to get rid of the IRS.

There is something in this whole operation of taxation that we don't understand. And it isn't simply that Trump has figured out ways to pay no tax. Lots of people do it. Many of them are corporate leaders... big income people. But there are many average income people who are quietly doing the same.

How do they do it? Let the rest of us know.

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September 28, 2020, 09:24:16 PM
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BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54332956

According to the explosive report in the New York Times - which says it obtained tax records for Mr Trump and his companies over two decades - Mr Trump paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years. It adds that the president is personally responsible for more than $300m in loans, which will come due in the next four years.


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Speaking on NBC, Ms Pelosi said the report showed that "this president appears to have over $400m in debt".

"To whom? Different countries? What is the leverage they have?" she asked, adding: "So for me, this is a national security question."

"The fact that you could have a sitting president who owes hundreds of millions of dollars that he's personally guaranteed to lenders, and we don't know who these lenders are," she said, and suggested that Mr Trump may be indebted to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"What does Putin have on the president politically? Personally? Financially?"


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To be honest this is a game changer. How could a man with over $400 million in personal debt to unnamed creditors get to become the President of the USA? I think Pelosi is on to something factual when she says "Trump taxes are 'national security' issue"

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I know, I know. It's so much more entertaining looking at the drama of Trump and his taxes, than looking at what we could learn from him if he would only teach us... and shut down the IRS at the same time.

Many see what Trump has done with his tax returns as being out-and-out fraud and criminal offending because he is exaggerating his losses in order to pay less taxes and in the eyes of many ordinary voters: exaggeration = fraud

Trump may yet try to squirm out of it but we have to wait for his press conferences about it, he has so far said that the NYT publications are fake news - what is new with his response?

Trump has done all kinds of things in his presidency. Some are good; others are not so good. Some people have opposite opinions about the things that are good, whether they are good or not. But here is the place where Trump fails to do a BIG CHUNK OF GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE.

Trump knows how to get away without paying much tax legally, right? And in some years, no tax at all, right? So, why doesn't he show the rest of us? He could easily hire some writers and technical people to put together a manual for not paying taxes for us, right?

Look at it this way. Government people are toying with the idea of giving us all a big chunk of UNEARNED INCOME. If government is thinking about paying us to live for nothing, but just can't figure out the way to do it properly, they can easily start with one thing that they can do... get rid of the IRS and taxation. Let the IRS people get out there and find something worthwhile to do rather than mess with the lives of other people, right?

Trump can start right now by figuring out ways that we can copy him, and pay little or no taxes. Then he can urge Congress to get rid of the IRS.

There is something in this whole operation of taxation that we don't understand. And it isn't simply that Trump has figured out ways to pay no tax. Lots of people do it. Many of them are corporate leaders... big income people. But there are many average income people who are quietly doing the same.

How do they do it? Let the rest of us know.

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BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54332956

According to the explosive report in the New York Times - which says it obtained tax records for Mr Trump and his companies over two decades - Mr Trump paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years. It adds that the president is personally responsible for more than $300m in loans, which will come due in the next four years.


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Speaking on NBC, Ms Pelosi said the report showed that "this president appears to have over $400m in debt".

"To whom? Different countries? What is the leverage they have?" she asked, adding: "So for me, this is a national security question."

"The fact that you could have a sitting president who owes hundreds of millions of dollars that he's personally guaranteed to lenders, and we don't know who these lenders are," she said, and suggested that Mr Trump may be indebted to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"What does Putin have on the president politically? Personally? Financially?"


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To be honest this is a game changer. How could a man with over $400 million in personal debt to unnamed creditors get to become the President of the USA? I think Pelosi is on to something factual when she says "Trump taxes are 'national security' issue"


Hm. What's the part about these unnamed creditors? I know that he had large amounts of debt that is going to be due soon in the next few years, though I didn't know these were unnamed creditors.

Could this potentially be a national security issue? Yes. But that's something that we really don't know about at the time. It does make sense for someone who is involved in Real Estate to be massively leveraged to have a large amount of debts coming due. So I don't think that's surprising IMO.

We'll see in the coming weeks when more stuff comes out about this.




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September 29, 2020, 12:43:50 AM
Last edit: September 29, 2020, 12:58:48 AM by Spendulus
 #20

...How could a man with over $400 million in personal debt to unnamed creditors...

It'd be more meaningful to ask a question like... "What's the debt to equity ratio?"

Oh, wait...

That's way, way too complicated.

It's something a first year college business student might ask. We shouldn't expect that from you, right?



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