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September 30, 2020, 09:06:02 AM
Last edit: October 01, 2020, 07:49:01 AM by tldr-hodl
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EDIT: Possibly solved https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5279132.msg55289021#msg55289021

Alright, I have no idea why would he possibly do such thing, but here it goes...

On August 21, 2019, minerjones made a post in Collectibles, offering a posters by PJ O'Rourke called HODL Your Horses for 50 USD.
On September 28, 2020, he bumped it, because they were still available.

In description he said that 50 BTC prints were made and there was a picture of a print 47/50.

Incidentally, I am aware of current sale of the similar numbered prints on eBay (not my sale), but in edition of 18 total. These are red and black (two separate editions of 18), while that of minerjones is sort of orange.
Since I thought this could be of interest to potential buyers, I posted this comment in minerjones's thread:

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Just a note - there appear to be two other original runs - red and black (of 18 prints):

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Crypto-Mixed-Art-BTC-Cryptocurrency-Art-By-Artist-PJ-ORourke-NUMBERED-3-18/233375526431

Thing is, that if you are buying a numbered print, you probably think of it also as an investment. If you just like the picture, you can still buy it (signed) for marginally less (40 USD):
https://flyelyfe.com/collections/world-class-prints/products/hodl-your-horses-print
But if you are thinking of an investment, you should be probably aware that your "original run" might not be the only one - though I have no idea if the red and black runs preceded the orange run offered by minerjones or the other way around - that would probably decide which run is more valuable.

What happend, was that minerjones promptly deleted the original thread and archived it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5177682.msg55278766#msg55278766
And made a new, same thread (with no mention of the black and red runs), but this time self-moderated:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5278745.msg55279139#msg55279139

So again, I posted the same comment there. And as I thought, it was immediately deleted by minerjones.
Later, even my original comment, in the now archived thread, was removed by a mod, which makes me kinda think even this thread will be probably removed by the same person.

After this I sent personal message to minerjones (on September 28):
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Do I understand correctly that you intentionally deleted my comment (and original thread before that), so that potential buyers are unaware of a circumstances that might be devaluating your offer?
Which was left unaswered to this moment, eventhough he was online and made other comments here later.

Again, I have no personal agenda doing this; I am aware minerjones does some escrows here, but I have never dealt with him, nor talked with him.
I am not calling him a fraud, but to me, this constitutes intentional dishonest bahaviour.

PS: I will delete this if anyone here comes with a reasonable explanation why the hell would he do this...
I mean it's not even that much money, he regularly deals with much more expensive items. I really don't get it.
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September 30, 2020, 09:22:41 AM
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No offense but why would you spend an hour of your life on this? For potentially $10?  Huh
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September 30, 2020, 09:26:12 AM
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I really don't get the motivation, but he spend an hour deleting his thread, removing my comments and even persuading a mod to delete my old comment.
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September 30, 2020, 09:40:55 AM
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You should assume good faith... There's soooo many different crypto collectibles, variations, print runs etc. In this case, we're talking about the difference between $50 and maybe $30 or $40... That's barely the cost of the bubble wrap.
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September 30, 2020, 09:46:35 AM
Last edit: September 30, 2020, 10:11:15 AM by tldr-hodl
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Again, I did assume the good faith, I wasn't accusing him originally! All I did was a post this comment:

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Just a note - there appear to be two other original runs - red and black (of 18 prints):

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Crypto-Mixed-Art-BTC-Cryptocurrency-Art-By-Artist-PJ-ORourke-NUMBERED-3-18/233375526431

Why did he feel the need to delete his own thread and make a new one (this time self-moderated) to delete this? That's what I am asking...
(Here, because I already asked him in PM to which he didn't respond.)
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September 30, 2020, 11:00:40 AM
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Minerjones is a trusted member of our community.

Not to mention quite experienced in handling crypto products. If there's a problem, you can talk with him.

Attacking him like this is hardly a wise move.


Mystery 3 & 4: check out this thread for updates:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5259224.0
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September 30, 2020, 11:26:52 AM
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I tried! Before posting this I did PM him asking why he did that! It's been two days, yet (while he was here and posted other comments) he didn't feel the need to answer me...


Minerjones is a trusted member of our community.

Not to mention quite experienced in handling crypto products. If there's a problem, you can talk with him.

Attacking him like this is hardly a wise move.


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September 30, 2020, 11:47:18 AM
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I tried! Before posting this I did PM him asking why he did that! It's been two days, yet (while he was here and posted other comments) he didn't feel the need to answer me...


Minerjones is a trusted member of our community.

Not to mention quite experienced in handling crypto products. If there's a problem, you can talk with him.

Attacking him like this is hardly a wise move.



Hey, FWIW I dealed with MJ many times and always had great experience, even when something in doubt or not clear, he always tried to find a fair solution...if someone doesn't reply you in 1-2 days doesn't automatically mean they ignore you, maybe they are just busy and they have their priorities...??

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September 30, 2020, 11:50:40 AM
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reason is simple - the eBay listing is not accurate - the seller was mistaken it was not a #3 of 18 --- the "3/18" was the date that PJ signed it.
The seller once made aware dropped the price of the item from near $200 to $22 just yesterday.  I got this clarification from PJ directly.

I believe he also had interactions with that eBay seller and may have thought your account was related to that seller. I am sure he will chime in.

The only numbered set is the one that is being sold here that was made custom for another forum member.
The red and black ones may be bought from PJ's site directly for $40


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September 30, 2020, 11:54:15 AM
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Entirely possible. If he offers reasonable explanation, I am perfectly willing to apologize...

Hey, FWIW I dealed with MJ many times and always had great experience, even when something in doubt or not clear, he always tried to find a fair solution...if someone doesn't reply you in 1-2 days doesn't automatically mean they ignore you, maybe they are just busy and they have their priorities...??
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September 30, 2020, 12:02:15 PM
Last edit: October 01, 2020, 07:49:37 AM by tldr-hodl
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All right, yes, that really does seem reasonable...
What happened really seemed suspicious, but that would kinda explain it.

Btw. the price is still under 200 USD..? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Crypto-Mixed-Art-BTC-Cryptocurrency-Art-By-Artist-PJ-ORourke-NUMBERED-3-18/233375526431

reason is simple - the eBay listing is not accurate - the seller was mistaken it was not a #3 of 18 --- the "3/18" was the date that PJ signed it.
The seller once made aware dropped the price of the item from near $200 to $22 just yesterday.  I got this clarification from PJ directly.

I believe he also had interactions with that eBay seller and may have thought your account was related to that seller. I am sure he will chime in.

The only numbered set is the one that is being sold here that was made custom for another forum member.
The red and black ones may be bought from PJ's site directly for $40
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September 30, 2020, 12:10:11 PM
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Dude, MJ handles multiple BTC’s worth of transactions on an average day... you honestly think the same person would try to scam out of, at most, a couple hundred Trumpbux?

Gotta make sure you have your evidence lined up before you try to open up a scam thread on the most prominent escrow on the site Roll Eyes


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October 05, 2020, 01:27:29 PM
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reason is simple - the eBay listing is not accurate - the seller was mistaken it was not a #3 of 18 --- the "3/18" was the date that PJ signed it.
The seller once made aware dropped the price of the item from near $200 to $22 just yesterday.  I got this clarification from PJ directly.

I believe he also had interactions with that eBay seller and may have thought your account was related to that seller. I am sure he will chime in.

The only numbered set is the one that is being sold here that was made custom for another forum member.
The red and black ones may be bought from PJ's site directly for $40

Well, not to my surprise, he didn't chime in, just as he didn't bother to explain why he deleted my posts or answer my PMs (two of them).

Please note I have never accused him of anything - I just described what happened and asked for explanation, since he didn't provide any on his own.

I fully trust clarification mentioned above and it's safe to assume he hasn't done that to mislead the buyers, but I'd still say he's an asshole...

PS: That auction is still 200 USD, btw...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Crypto-Mixed-Art-BTC-Cryptocurrency-Art-By-Artist-PJ-ORourke-NUMBERED-3-18/233375526431
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October 05, 2020, 01:34:56 PM
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reason is simple - the eBay listing is not accurate - the seller was mistaken it was not a #3 of 18 --- the "3/18" was the date that PJ signed it.
The seller once made aware dropped the price of the item from near $200 to $22 just yesterday.  I got this clarification from PJ directly.

I believe he also had interactions with that eBay seller and may have thought your account was related to that seller. I am sure he will chime in.

The only numbered set is the one that is being sold here that was made custom for another forum member.
The red and black ones may be bought from PJ's site directly for $40

Well, not to my surprise, he didn't chime in, just as he didn't bother to explain why he deleted my posts or answer my PMs (two of them).

Please note I have never accused him of anything - I just described what happened and asked for explanation, since he didn't provide any on his own.

I fully trust clarification mentioned above and it's safe to assume he hasn't done that to mislead the buyers, but I'd still say he's an asshole...

PS: That auction is still 200 USD, btw...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Crypto-Mixed-Art-BTC-Cryptocurrency-Art-By-Artist-PJ-ORourke-NUMBERED-3-18/233375526431

minerjones may have you blocked - possibly thinking you were the fraudulent eBay seller.

As for the price, the seller must have raised it. I have a screenshot of it lowered to $22 - he must have raised it back up. The prints can still be ordered from PJ directly and he will sign and date those as well.





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