Summary of Evidence of Covid as Engineered Financial Reset

[BobK71]

My conspiracy theory is that Covid-19 comes from a virus jointly engineered and unleashed by the Western and Chinese elites. This theory is supported by a combination of how unlikely the virus is to be natural (as detailed by Dr Li-Meng Yan's paper) and other attending events, including what strongly appears to be cover-up:

- The entire Western mainstream media and establishment set of virologists went out of their way to provide protection for, of all countries, China, which is  normally painted as a bad actor with every chance, by saying the virus is natural.

- The silencing of dissenting scientific voices.  Why not let the debate play out, if Dr Yan's argument or conspiracy theories have no merit.

- Somehow, early containment failed in all major Western economies and China, and these just happen to be the major sufferers of the debt bubble.  This happened when quite a few other countries have shown that early containment is possible.  As I've argued, it's not just Trump and his ilk who were responsible for the slow response.  The media and entire political class implicitly supported the do-nothing response, until it was too late.

- The suppression of HCQ+ as an excellent Covid treatment, even though this fact has been well documented around the world.  The media widely published 'studies' with flat-out fake data (for which major journals have retracted the publications, too late) that almost totally destroyed the image of HCQ+ among the public.  This is not to mention publicizing numerous studies on HCQ+ that were improperly done, some inexplicably so, that are negative about this treatment.  (For the effectiveness of HCQ+ treatment, see here, here and here.)

- The sudden appearance of a virus (RatG13) that was touted as a natural close relative of Sars-CoV-2 after theories of lab-made origin appeared.  RatG13 turned out, on close examination, to be most likely a lab creation, but one that was done too hastily to provide a believable evolutionary pathway.

- First and not least, the overwhelming incentives for the global elites to deflate the global debt bubble without taking the blame for the resulting pain.  In fact, in Sept. 2019, a fire erupted deep in core of the system (the repo market crisis.) Over the weeks and months, it could only be contained but somehow never put out, even with the supposed unlimited monetary powers of the Federal Reserve.  There's a good chance that the financial system's natural implosion had already started.

Perhaps, individually, these events could each be argued as happenstance, or what not.  But taken as a whole, they present a compelling set of evidence.

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[BobK71]

One addition, from latest news:

- It seems that Google has been attacking the reputation of the Great Barrington Declaration by respectable scientists who suggest that most of the population should be allowed to go about their lives normally.

[BobK71]

For a well-researched summary of how the US and China jointly developed viruses to infect humans (justified by need to find counter-measures against the viruses once they occurred in nature,) see  this article.

For quick, solid proof of joint US-China involvement, see this hard-hitting piece.

Apparently (if you read the above,) the development of counter-measures went nowhere, but their deadly virus got out of the lab...

[amishmanish]

For quick, solid proof of joint US-China involvement, see this hard-hitting piece.

This article by Peter, MD seems more like a jump of faith and confirmatory bias. That research paper was not some high-security, classified study. It was published in Nature and is visible for everyone to see. It was a bunch of academics working together. Chinese-American researchers working together is nothing new when they collaborated with even Russia for Science and Space.

As far as containment in the US is concerned, all you guys have to do is stay indoors and avoid public contact for 20 days straight so that all cases can live out their duration and those that get serious get contained in a medical facilities. The rest of the population can then slowly take a few more weeks with Mask usage to determine their individual areas of containment. The fact is that under Trump and with Trumpism, America has become a shithole where people are willing to say the most indecent thing and demonstrate the most unlawful of behavior for their doses of Social media fame. It says a lot about the average American mind desperate for attention and fame.

Containing it is not that big a deal if people keep their distance in public and wear masks. As the prevalence of the virus decreases, things slowly get back to normal.

For all the conspiracy theory, would you care to explain the economics of it? Like, What exactly do you think the elites are trying to achieve and how you think they will go about it in terms of the economics??

[jaysabi]

Frankly tired of seeing these garbage conspiracy theories on the virus being engineered for any reason, let alone something as nonsensical as a financial reset. The bitcoin community has enough trouble not appearing like a cult of crazies as it is, and having people associated with bitcoin constantly pushing trash like this doesn’t help us. This community needs to be better than to embrace this trash.

[Fesatmas]

In fact China previously announced that normal days had begun. Meanwhile, the impact is that other countries have even expanded Lokdown. I'm here, I don't really believe 100% that Covid 19 exists. maybe right at the beginning of its existence it was true, but if it is to this day, then it is increasingly as contrived to manipulate Chinese political action as a whole. The number of victims is not small, even countries that are not the main priority for the emergence of Covid are getting worse, namely continuing to stages 2 and three.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Frankly tired of seeing these garbage conspiracy theories on the virus being engineered for any reason, let alone something as nonsensical as a financial reset.

Yeah, I don't understand exactly what a "financial reset" is.  If anything, all this money printing and stimulus checks might lead to some severe inflation--and that won't be good for anyone assuming wages don't rise as well. 

That's not to say that governments couldn't or wouldn't take advantage of a pandemic to do some shady things, but I seriously doubt any government created COVID-19 with the intention of affecting the economy.  I'm a firm believer that this is what biology does from time to time: produce mutant strains of viruses/bacteria which are much harder to deal with than anything previously known.  So despite the "evidence" of a conspiracy, I'm not buying it.

[jaysabi]

Frankly tired of seeing these garbage conspiracy theories on the virus being engineered for any reason, let alone something as nonsensical as a financial reset.

Yeah, I don't understand exactly what a "financial reset" is.  If anything, all this money printing and stimulus checks might lead to some severe inflation--and that won't be good for anyone assuming wages don't rise as well. 

That's not to say that governments couldn't or wouldn't take advantage of a pandemic to do some shady things, but I seriously doubt any government created COVID-19 with the intention of affecting the economy.  I'm a firm believer that this is what biology does from time to time: produce mutant strains of viruses/bacteria which are much harder to deal with than anything previously known.  So despite the "evidence" of a conspiracy, I'm not buying it.

Not to mention that nobody is stupid enough to release a biological agent which cannot be controlled into the population.  If your conspiracy theory is that the "elites" are trying to control people by releasing a virus into the world that can't be controlled, then I'm sorry you don't realize how stupid you are but the rest of us do.

[mindrust]

covid19 is 9/11 all over again.

Just like how 9/11 shaped the future for nearly 20 years, covid19 is just another made-up story which will enable them to shape the future.

The virus is men-made and the vaccine is potentially a malware.

[Smartprofit]

I respect your opinion, but I do not believe in this theory. 

In my opinion, the elites of the Western world and China could not participate together in such a global conspiracy. 

There are many global problems in the modern world. 

One of these problems is the US abandonment of world hegemony.  A world leader is forced to sacrifice his national interests for the common good.  The United States does not want to make such sacrifices.  They can be understood.  However, as a result, China, Russia, the EU and other countries are left alone with their problems and are forced to solve these problems on their own. 

China, as a state with a very developed economy, isolated itself as much as possible from the Western world.  Chinese elites do not trust the elites of the Western world. 

In my opinion, joint action by China and the United States to reset the global financial system is too complex a combination. 

It's impossible.

[Hydrogen]

My conspiracy theory is that Covid-19 comes from a virus jointly engineered and unleashed by the Western and Chinese elites.

For the sliver minority interested in discussing this uncomfortable topic, which most would prefer to forget. The epoch times published the best documentary on the subject I know of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMJ0EmMfb3U

There are possibilities aside from a great reset. A shift in global power from america and the west, to china and the east, is another explanation.



Infection and mortality rates would appear to economically favor china over the united states.

There could also be 2020 US election implications where lockdowns and quarantines had an influence.

[OROBTC]

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Related, but likely of be of interest to some here in BobK71's thread is Jim Rickards' new book, just came out Tuesday, I have finished all but the last chapter:

The New Great Depression

He posits a deflation then inflation scenario for us, for the whole world really.  Pretty grim prognosis for the world's economy going forward.  He writes that the LOCKDOWN from COVID-19 is more damaging than the virus itself, though that is pretty bad.

He likes gold, but I have found NO mention of Bitcoin, curious.  Bitcoin has done me a lot of good.

Highly recommended reading!


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[yhiaali3]

We heard a lot of news about this conspiracy theory, but what I do not understand is how governments can benefit from these conspiracies to solve their economic problems or justify their failure, this scenario seems really terrifying How can these countries kill millions of people to cover their economic failure?
I tend to believe that the Corona virus was created in the framework of the Cold War between the West and the East, and it could have spread in an intended or unintended way, but it has spread in the end and the cause of all these calamities. This scenario seems more plausible to me, it is world domination that drives the spread of the Coronavirus, not the economy.

[$crypto$]

We heard a lot of news about this conspiracy theory, but what I do not understand is how governments can benefit from these conspiracies to solve their economic problems or justify their failure, this scenario seems really terrifying How can these countries kill millions of people to cover their economic failure?
I tend to believe that the Corona virus was created in the framework of the Cold War between the West and the East, and it could have spread in an intended or unintended way, but it has spread in the end and the cause of all these calamities. This scenario seems more plausible to me, it is world domination that drives the spread of the Coronavirus, not the economy.

Indeed, the allegation had been from the beginning in the first wave with this conspiracy theory, if this was only the framework of the western and eastern cold war, of course it would be affected a lot how about the impact of other countries that don't know what, while they were affected by the corona virus, not because of course the government will remain improve their economy because with this case there will be many failures that occur, look with vaccines that have been widely distributed, is this a problem of global trade?
But we need valid data, whether in this conspiracy only people say it? There are still many questions about this deadly virus when it will end, I hope this will be a full encouragement for the government.

[BobK71]

For quick, solid proof of joint US-China involvement, see this hard-hitting piece.

This article by Peter, MD seems more like a jump of faith and confirmatory bias. That research paper was not some high-security, classified study. It was published in Nature and is visible for everyone to see. It was a bunch of academics working together. Chinese-American researchers working together is nothing new when they collaborated with even Russia for Science and Space.

If you read both of the links in the post you quoted from (i.e. read this one as well,) it's clear that the co-operation we talk about is the 'gain of function' research that studied how to make viruses more infectious and how to make animal viruses infect humans, i.e. work that potentially led to the covid virus.  Whether the work was technically classified or not, I'm not sure, but it sure isn't something that can be published in one Nature article.

As far as containment in the US is concerned, all you guys have to do is stay indoors and avoid public contact for 20 days straight so that all cases can live out their duration and those that get serious get contained in a medical facilities. The rest of the population can then slowly take a few more weeks with Mask usage to determine their individual areas of containment. The fact is that under Trump and with Trumpism, America has become a shithole where people are willing to say the most indecent thing and demonstrate the most unlawful of behavior for their doses of Social media fame. It says a lot about the average American mind desperate for attention and fame.

Containing it is not that big a deal if people keep their distance in public and wear masks. As the prevalence of the virus decreases, things slowly get back to normal.

I don't disagree with this, except that if the virus was released intentionally, it will not go away, unless and until those who released it want it to.

For all the conspiracy theory, would you care to explain the economics of it? Like, What exactly do you think the elites are trying to achieve and how you think they will go about it in terms of the economics??

(For background, see A Brief History of Modern Money and Dissecting the Parasitocracy, Version 2.)

Basically, the entire modern, Western dominated world system, from, say, the 1400s, have been a boom-and-bust generator, by design, to benefit the financial and political elites.  When the bubble is overdue for a bust, it can be to the elites' benefit to engineer a bust rather than let a financial crash occur naturally.  The last (relatively mild) example of an engineered reset was in the mid-1980s with the Plaza and Louvre accords among major Western countries.

I will try my best to explain it below:

To understand the fundamental nature of a reset in our system, imagine you run a theatre.  Most people prefer to save most of their tickets for the future.  So, you're able to sell many more tickets than the seats can support.  For now.  But over-selling is a great benefit to you.

But soon, there are many more claims to wealth (paper assets) than real wealth (goods and services) in your little economy.  Sooner or later, confidence will reach a crisis point.  There are only a number of things you can do:

Deflation/default/austerity: make certain tickets invalid.  This is the most painful approach, as financial assets crash, and people lose wealth, jobs and business.

Inflation/devaluation: say that each hour on the ticket really means a quarter hour, or each seat really means half a seat.  This is the least painful approach, since the pain is spread around.  But those with the most tickets will have the biggest absolute losses in wealth, and won't be happy.

Financial repression: halt admission to the performance from time to time.

Imperialism: make other theatres honor our tickets.  Give them a share of the profits or threaten them with 'regime change,' or both.

Economic growth: build more seats.  This is of course the most preferable approach, but is not under your direct control.  In the real economy, the labs are sometimes simply unable to come up with things people want to buy.  Even worse, when there's too much uncertainty in the economy, people are reluctant to invest and spend.  So suitable seats aren't appearing, just when you need them most!

That's it.  Those are your only choices.  Most times, you take a combination of the above approaches, to even out the stress to your system.  (This model leaves out major features of our system, such as non-state monies, financial leverage, etc., but should serve our purposes.  See 100 Men on An Island for a different angle.)

A reset seeks to wipe the slate clean, so you can start anew, with your system in a healthy state (so you can sell more seats than you have, again!)  Since most of the required medicine will be painful in one way or another, it would be nice to be able to blame the event on something other than having sold too many tickets.

[BobK71]

The precise set of events in this reset are impossible to predict, since it'll be up to the elites, and even they probably don't know for sure, because they have to act according to how things unfold, to a certain degree.

That said, we can be reasonably confident of some big-picture pieces of this reset:

- The covid crisis will become more severe, whether in truth or in propaganda.  It won't really matter, since the important thing will be to 'make severe lockdowns necessary.'

- The economic fallout from the lockdowns will crash financial assets (specifically stocks, corporate bonds, and/or real estate), or cause severe inflation (as a result of governments' money printing and borrowing to rescue the economy), or both.

- At the end of the reset, one way or another (above,) the claims to wealth will be much more equal to the actual wealth in goods and services, AT CURRENT PRICES.  We have a much healthier system.

[AicecreaME]

Frankly tired of seeing these garbage conspiracy theories on the virus being engineered for any reason, let alone something as nonsensical as a financial reset.

Yeah, I don't understand exactly what a "financial reset" is.  If anything, all this money printing and stimulus checks might lead to some severe inflation--and that won't be good for anyone assuming wages don't rise as well. 

That's not to say that governments couldn't or wouldn't take advantage of a pandemic to do some shady things, but I seriously doubt any government created COVID-19 with the intention of affecting the economy.  I'm a firm believer that this is what biology does from time to time: produce mutant strains of viruses/bacteria which are much harder to deal with than anything previously known.  So despite the "evidence" of a conspiracy, I'm not buying it.

Well, we don't even know as well if the Chinese Government didn't do and not doing any shady things because we don't have any "evidence" that they are being honest, unless we run a polygraph test on them. The whole point of the idea I think is about how the economy suffered in COVID-19 and slowly recovering from it (is it?), and now we have another mutation of the virus happening and some countries including ours has already a patient who's been positive in the said mutated virus.

Conspiracy Theories, White lies or whatever it is that's been saying by the Government doesn't matter, what matters is that we have to end and face this problem united to gain back what we have lost.

This is purely about Survival of the fittest.

[Lorence.xD]

Frankly tired of seeing these garbage conspiracy theories on the virus being engineered for any reason, let alone something as nonsensical as a financial reset. The bitcoin community has enough trouble not appearing like a cult of crazies as it is, and having people associated with bitcoin constantly pushing trash like this doesn’t help us. This community needs to be better than to embrace this trash.

Me too, but we can't really dispel this shenanigans when we only work as an individual. It doesn't really matter if this is a engineered virus or a natural one, this only deviates us to the truth that our governments failed to do the necessary measures to prevent a pandemic in their country in the first place. Instead of focusing too much on obscure and baseless accusation, why not be kind to others and do something to contribute to the community.

[aoluain]

I dont know either what a "financial reset" is.
There is a lot of evidence to show that the wealth divide is increasing, rich getting richer, poor getting poorer.

There are so many conspiracy theories going about and I agree that the failure of most governments
to act fast and incisively only frustrates people and created a breeding ground for conspiracy theorists
to concoct stories.

There are also a lot of people who refuse to do what a government instructs no matter what it is
these are the paranoid theorists.

[coolbaughandrew]

The media has been talking about the great reset since the last year https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/introducing-the-great-reset-world-leaders-radical-plan-to-transform-the-economy/ar-BB15XGsU
I'm fed up with different conspiracies, but really want to know what the economy of the future will look like.