⚽ [POLL] FOOTBALL: UEFA Champions League 2023/24

[Juggy777]

Yes, no doubt, but looking at his goal stats at LiVARpool, Salah was taking all the headlines, after Mane won the AFCON, none of his teammates congratulated him online because of Salah, which to me was very wrong, before the start of the recently concluded season, he had a clash with Salah for being so selfish in games, the matter was resolved by the manager, but I don't think he's leaving because of all this, he's 30 he's leaving for a better pay rise somewhere. Wish Chelsea could get him he's a great player.

Mane joined Liverpool when he was 24 and has had a good career there. He is 30 years old now and has been losing Champions League finalist twice and Champions League winner once. He has also won the Premier League once as well as several domestic cups. I think he does not have anything to prove to anybody because he did it all and he deserves to play in a different league where he could finish his career with a good wage and new challenge.

That's the new trend among players nowadays, they're selfish and just want to get everything for themselves, now is the best time to sell him because it's obvious he'll leave for free next season, but losing Mane and Salah in a single summer will ruin LiVARpool for a long time and I don't see it happening.

Yes losing Mane and Salah would have created problems for Klopp because he simply does not have a replacement for either. Mane will be sold for around £30 million and that is too high for a 30 year old but some clubs will pay it.
Salah will walk for free in to the arms of a big club that will pay him a large signing-on fee near the £5 million mark and pay him well over £250,000 a week. If you were Mane and were getting half of what Salah was getting at Liverpool you would want to leave too. I think Mane should have stayed and saw his contract out before leaving on a free transfer too. I imagine Liverpool losing Mane and Salah in the same season would be too much for the fans therefore they will cash in on Mane now and allow Salah to go for free next season. The image below is from February 2021 but the salaries are current:

Yes, it will be sad enough for Liverpool fans if Selah and Manya leave the club at the same time. Still, it can be said that they made the greatest contribution to the club's entry into the Champions League final. However, I don't think that the departure of both players will be a disaster for the club, but it may reduce the power that Klopp has in the formation of the squad. As for Salah, it is really strange that the parties cannot agree until the end of the season itself, although Salah himself seems to have curled that he is not going to leave Liverpool.

I don’t know why people think Mane is selfish, because he gave it all for the club and the club should have offered him high wages for him to stay, because he deserves it but they decided against it hence he’s justified in leaving the club. Also Salah is staying at least for this season, but if he leaves next season then it’ll be interesting to see who his replacement will be.

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[Igebotz]

Yes, it will be sad enough for Liverpool fans if Selah Salah and Manya Mane leave the club at the same time. Still, it can be said that they made the greatest contribution to the club's entry into the Champions League final.

I disagree with some of your points. Mane and Salah only won one champions league together at LiVARpool, so saying they made one of the greatest contributions to LiVARpool's European football is incorrect; LiVARpool were already the most successful English club in the champions league prior to the Mane-Salah era. I would have agreed if you said they gave LivARpool their first EPL trophy.

However, I don't think that the departure of both players will be a disaster for the club, but it may reduce the power that Klopp has in the formation of the squad. As for Salah, it is really strange that the parties cannot agree until the end of the season itself, although Salah himself seems to have curled that he is not going to leave Liverpool.

Yes, no player is bigger than a club, but losing two of your best players without a proper replacement will have a significant impact on the team, especially if the team is built around those players. Additionally, Salah has not stated anything about his future, but if both parties fail to agree on something this summer, Salah will walk alone next summer.

[JollyGood]

Good you deleted his garbage post.

Yes, it will be sad enough for Liverpool fans if Selah and Manya leave the club at the same time. Still, it can be said that they made the greatest contribution to the club's entry into the Champions League final. However, I don't think that the departure of both players will be a disaster for the club, but it may reduce the power that Klopp has in the formation of the squad. As for Salah, it is really strange that the parties cannot agree until the end of the season itself, although Salah himself seems to have curled that he is not going to leave Liverpool.

Salah stated he will not leave in the 2022/23 season.

I don’t know why people think Mane is selfish, because he gave it all for the club and the club should have offered him high wages for him to stay, because he deserves it but they decided against it hence he’s justified in leaving the club. Also Salah is staying at least for this season, but if he leaves next season then it’ll be interesting to see who his replacement will be.

Nobody said they thought Mane was selfish. The argument between Salah and Mane allegedly took place because Mane accused Salah of being selfish by not passing him the ball when he had better opportunities to score by being in better positions. Instead Salah took shots himself and missed which allegedly created friction between them.

[Lordhermes]

I was so shocked by Liverpool when they allowed Madrid to win them in the champions league final.Despite the squad they have,the three wise men infront,the best defender they have in the person of Virgil,they were still defeated by Real Madrid.I wasnt expecting it at all.In the first half of them game,Liverpool dominated,but creating a chances and converting  them into goals was the major problem. I believe Liverpool will be very angry because what they expected is not what they saw.Madrid showed them that they are experienced in the season.

[tokeweed]

Take your post count to somewhere else man!! Wtf you saying?

I have no idea what he said but I feel like JollyGood could do the same with my posts seeing what I said and how it all turned out at the final.    I was sooo wrong and I didn't give Real Madrid any credit before the match.  In hindsight the hint was when Real won vs City in the semifinal.  I was just so excited for Liverpool to make it.

Huge credit goes to Courtios...  At the first quarter you just know Real was gonna take Liverpool to deep waters...  Which they did.  :/  Credit goes to Ancelloti too.  It wasn't ideal but it did the job.  Congrats to everybody who made money.

[Balmain]

I was so shocked by Liverpool when they allowed Madrid to win them in the champions league final.Despite the squad they have,the three wise men infront,the best defender they have in the person of Virgil,they were still defeated by Real Madrid.I wasnt expecting it at all.In the first half of them game,Liverpool dominated,but creating a chances and converting  them into goals was the major problem. I believe Liverpool will be very angry because what they expected is not what they saw.Madrid showed them that they are experienced in the season.

Real madrid experience is no joke, they won the cup with this experience, I'm still confused about it, but this experience is completely real. Liverpool wasn't too bad in the match, they actually came very close to the goal, but they could not score a goal. Real-Madrid won the match with their tactical game. Liverpool should have done much better with this squad.

[Igebotz]

I have no idea what he said but I feel like JollyGood could do the same with my posts seeing what I said and how it all turned out at the final.    I was sooo wrong and I didn't give Real Madrid any credit before the match.  In hindsight the hint was when Real won vs City in the semifinal.  I was just so excited for Liverpool to make it.

Huge credit goes to Courtios...  At the first quarter you just know Real was gonna take Liverpool to deep waters...  Which they did.  :/  Credit goes to Ancelloti too.  It wasn't ideal but it did the job.  Congrats to everybody who made money.

No, football is a cruel sport and betting is about instincts, that's how I see it now, your team did great from the first half I was like "Shit" Real Madrid is about to get cooked as LivARPool were just over the pitch, pressing and attacking at the same time, Real Madrid were dead and I was already losing hope, but in football the moment a team begins to lose chances, there is a problem. Courtios was the only reason Real Madrid won the game; statistically, Liverpool was the better team.

We'll have more tonight. I know this isn't the appropriate thread, but since it's about European football, I'll add a grain of salt. Italy - Argentina.

[bitzizzix]

In yesterday's final everyone judged and it was clear because Thibaut Courtois Liverpool lost Liverpool had a lot of chances but Courtois was capable and very good at defending his goal.
Real Madrid have a strong mentality and vast experience in the UCL, and in yesterday's game he looked like a weak team against Liverpool. But these are the tactics and strategies used by Real Madrid which prioritize Courtois and a great defense and Real Madrid are just waiting for the right moment to launch a deadly counter-attack and succeed.
and in yesterday's game Liverpool struggled to score and kept trying to score, but they forgot about the defense and were taken advantage of by Real Madrid.

[JollyGood]

I was not shocked because I always expected Real Madrid to win but I agree with you that Liverpool will be very disappointed they did not win the game. In the end, Liverpool dominated the game and created more chances and had more shots on target but it all means nothing because they finished as runners-up.

It is difficult to feel sorry for Liverpool for the way they lost the final when they had a much easier route to the final including an easy semi-final with Valencia. Real Madrid had to defeat PSG, Chelsea and Manchester City.

I was so shocked by Liverpool when they allowed Madrid to win them in the champions league final.Despite the squad they have,the three wise men infront,the best defender they have in the person of Virgil,they were still defeated by Real Madrid.I wasnt expecting it at all.In the first half of them game,Liverpool dominated,but creating a chances and converting  them into goals was the major problem. I believe Liverpool will be very angry because what they expected is not what they saw.Madrid showed them that they are experienced in the season.

[tokeweed]

I have no idea what he said but I feel like JollyGood could do the same with my posts seeing what I said and how it all turned out at the final.    I was sooo wrong and I didn't give Real Madrid any credit before the match.  In hindsight the hint was when Real won vs City in the semifinal.  I was just so excited for Liverpool to make it.

Huge credit goes to Courtios...  At the first quarter you just know Real was gonna take Liverpool to deep waters...  Which they did.  :/  Credit goes to Ancelloti too.  It wasn't ideal but it did the job.  Congrats to everybody who made money.

No, football is a cruel sport and betting is about instincts, that's how I see it now, your team did great from the first half I was like "Shit" Real Madrid is about to get cooked as LivARPool were just over the pitch, pressing and attacking at the same time, Real Madrid were dead and I was already losing hope, but in football the moment a team begins to lose chances, there is a problem. Courtios was the only reason Real Madrid won the game; statistically, Liverpool was the better team.

We'll have more tonight. I know this isn't the appropriate thread, but since it's about European football, I'll add a grain of salt. Italy - Argentina.

Yeah well...  My instincts was telling me to go all in on Liverpool, so I went all in with a very huge 30 dollar bet.  Lmao.    I didn't even look at the stats or the head to head stuff.  I just bet cos I already knew Liverpool was my going to be my pick as long as they weren't going against City.  But then I looked at the head to head and saw that everytime Real and LFC went against each other in the UCL, it usually went Real's way.  I kinda knew my bet was fucked right there and watching Courtois play during the match kinda confirmed it in my head.

[Boristhecat]

I was not shocked because I always expected Real Madrid to win but I agree with you that Liverpool will be very disappointed they did not win the game. In the end, Liverpool dominated the game and created more chances and had more shots on target but it all means nothing because they finished as runners-up.

It is difficult to feel sorry for Liverpool for the way they lost the final when they had a much easier route to the final including an easy semi-final with Valencia. Real Madrid had to defeat PSG, Chelsea and Manchester City.

In general, if we judge the tournament after we know the results, then of course there is nothing shocking. Real Madrid once again showed their iron will and the fact that the Champions League is a tournament where they feel like a fish in water. But if you watch the tournament game after game, it's hard not to be shocked by the fact that in every round of the playoffs, Real was an underdog (and sometimes explicit) but eventually beat everyone.
By the way, it's hard to sympathize with Liverpool as they exhausted all their luck in two finals where they won on penalties.

[Igebotz]

Yeah well...  My instincts was telling me to go all in on Liverpool, so I went all in with a very huge 30 dollar bet.  Lmao.    I didn't even look at the stats or the head to head stuff.  I just bet cos I already knew Liverpool was my going to be my pick as long as they weren't going against City.  But then I looked at the head to head and saw that everytime Real and LFC went against each other in the UCL, it usually went Real's way.  I kinda knew my bet was fucked right there and watching Courtois play during the match kinda confirmed it in my head.

TBH. I was a little biased in my picks; I chose Real Madrid not because they impressed me, but because I know they always have that final lucky charm in the Champions League, and I also wanted LiVARpool to lose so badly as a rival fan who enjoys seeing their demise . Real Madrid were really cooked and I almost turned off the TV, hoping Hazard would play a small part of the game to inject some creativity was the only reason I kept watching, but he was never brought on; after the goal, they were more focused on defense, so I understand why he was left out.

[JollyGood]

Now we are at that stage where the pre-season training will be taking place and teams will be looking to strengthen their squads and inevitably the question will be asked: who will win the 2022/23 Champions League

I think it would be a good move to consider the usual teams to at least cover the semi-final spots because who else can occupy those 4 positions? I have to update the thread with a poll 

[JollyGood]

Here are the dates for the Champions League games will be taking place in the 2022/23 season. Having the FIFA World Cup in the month of November has forced changes for all competitions in all leagues:

Preliminary round: 7 June 2022
First qualifying round: 14 June 2022
Second qualifying round: 15 June 2022
Third qualifying round: 18 July 2022
Play-off round: 2 August 2022
Group stage: 25 August 2022
Round of 16: 7 November 2022
Quarter-finals & semi-finals: 17 March 2023

[JollyGood]

Here is how the Champions League group stages looked after the draw took place late last month:

GROUP A
Ajax
Liverpool
Napoli
Rangers

GROUP B
FC Porto
Atletico Madrid
Bayer Leverkusen
Club Brugge

GROUP C
Bayern Munich
Barcelona
Inter Milan
Viktoria Plzen

GROUP D
Eintracht Frankfurt
Tottenham
Sporting CP
Marseille

GROUP E
AC Milan
Chelsea
FC Salzburg
Dinamo Zagreb

GROUP F
Real Madrid
RB Leipzig
Shakhtar Donetsk
Celtic

GROUP G
Manchester City
Sevilla
Borussia Dortmund
FC Copenhagen

GROUP H
Paris Saint-Germain
Juventus
Benfica
Maccabi Haifa

[JollyGood]

These are the results from the opening group games played today Tuesday 6th September 2022:

Borussia Dortmund 3-0 FC Copenhagen

Dinamo Zagreb 1-0 Chelsea

Benfica 2-0 Maccabi Haifa

Celtic 0-3 Real Madrid

Paris Saint-Germain 2-1 Juventus

RB Leipzig 1-4 Shakhtar Donetsk

Red Bull Salzburg 1-1 AC Milan

Sevilla 0-4 Manchester City

Chelsea lost this evening, their season is already in trouble. They have played six Premier League games of which they lost two and won three and now they lost their opening Champions League group game too. Haaland scored twice while helping Manchester City win 0-4.

Holders Real Madrid won 0-3 and made an excellent start to their campaign a the expense of Celtic.

[JollyGood]

These are the results from the opening group games played today Wednesday 7th September 2022:

Ajax 4-0 Rangers

Eintracht Frankfurt 0-3 Sporting Lisbon

Atletico Madrid 2-1 FC Porto

Barcelona 5-1 FC Viktoria Plzen

Club Brugge 1-0 Bayer Leverkusen

Inter Milan 0-2 Bayern Munich

Napoli 4-1 Liverpool

Tottenham Hotspur 2-0 Marseille

I am unsure where will Liverpool end up at the end of the season after they were beaten 4-1 by Napoli. What would happen to Klopp is they did not make it past the group stages and did not finish in the top 4 in the Premier League? Well done Tottenham, they seem to be doing very well under Conte.

[Juggy777]

I am unsure where will Liverpool end up at the end of the season after they were beaten 4-1 by Napoli. What would happen to Klopp is they did not make it past the group stages and did not finish in the top 4 in the Premier League? Well done Tottenham, they seem to be doing very well under Conte.

@JollyGood as a Manchester United fan I would be delighted if Klopp is no longer managing Liverpool, but as a football lover I would be angry at Liverpool owner’s for sacking one of the best managers of modern football. Furthermore if they end up sacking him, then I feel that they’ll go for Poch because he’s out of work and has premier league experience.

[Daniel91]

These are the results from the opening group games played today Tuesday 6th September 2022:

Borussia Dortmund 3-0 FC Copenhagen

Dinamo Zagreb 1-0 Chelsea

Benfica 2-0 Maccabi Haifa

Celtic 0-3 Real Madrid

Paris Saint-Germain 2-1 Juventus

RB Leipzig 1-4 Shakhtar Donetsk

Red Bull Salzburg 1-1 AC Milan

Sevilla 0-4 Manchester City

Chelsea lost this evening, their season is already in trouble. They have played six Premier League games of which they lost two and won three and now they lost their opening Champions League group game too. Haaland scored twice while helping Manchester City win 0-4.

Holders Real Madrid won 0-3 and made an excellent start to their campaign a the expense of Celtic.

It could be said that Dinamo has become an expert on clubs from London, because in the last few years Dinamo has beaten all 4 clubs from London, Arsenal, Tottenham, West Ham and now Chelsea.
It is clear that this can't be a coincidence and that Dinamo is not a bad club, it seems to me that according to the UEFA ranking they are among the 30 best clubs in Europe and therefore this result is not a surprise.
I watched the game and although Chelsea had possession of the ball and constantly attacked, they did not have a clear game plan and sufficient aggressiveness for a better result.

[JollyGood]

The way the new Chelsea owners ruthlessly sacked Tuchel was way too harsh because he deserved time. He was playing with a whole new defence and it takes time to get them all to gel together.

Klopp is in a different situation altogether, he has most of his players and has purchased very good talented players but Liverpool no longer have Mane doing all the hard work for the team and that is why they have struggled. Klopp is in a much stronger position that Tuchel ever was but in the Premier League anything is possible. If Liverpool do not win a trophy this season and if they do proceed in the Champions League and do not qualify for it next season, will he remain manager? I think not.

The problem all suitors for Pochettino will face is that he came so close to winning the Premier League and the Champions League with Tottenham but remains without a trophy therefore what will fans and owners expect from him?

I am unsure where will Liverpool end up at the end of the season after they were beaten 4-1 by Napoli. What would happen to Klopp is they did not make it past the group stages and did not finish in the top 4 in the Premier League? Well done Tottenham, they seem to be doing very well under Conte.

@JollyGood as a Manchester United fan I would be delighted if Klopp is no longer managing Liverpool, but as a football lover I would be angry at Liverpool owner’s for sacking one of the best managers of modern football. Furthermore if they end up sacking him, then I feel that they’ll go for Poch because he’s out of work and has premier league experience.