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October 07, 2020, 03:43:07 AM
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There are a lot of countries right now are creating their vaccine and there are some just waiting on it, there is a lot of news and rumors about the total finish date of the vaccine which is taken for next year I think 2024 is too much right?. There is news recently that other vaccines are already tested on the humans and they are waiting for the feedback and what are the side effects of this, also it depends on the country what is the price of it.

Actually this is the time that would be taken to inject vaccine to each and every citizen on the face of this Earth which actually is pretty different. Consider it this way. Many diseases still exist to which most of the citizens are not vaccinated but the remaining majority which is vaccinated ensures that they do not act as a carrier of the disease therefore it technically makes the disease non-infectious. So target isn't to give vaccine to each and every human being. Target with these vaccine is to make sure that enough majority of people remain vaccinated so that the chain of infection can be broken. Because if we are talking about the whole world even 2024 looks too unrealistic for me think how many people are living in what type of remote areas in god knows which country.

AFAIK there are countries that are already made COVID free and this is a good thing but there are a few of it are cant survive this pandemic outbreak, and we don't know what is happening. Because of not good government? or just an uncontrolled person. Cooperate is the best thing we must need to prevent this virus.
You would see most of the countries who claim to be corona free are havin pretty less population except China ofcourse. So govt really can't be blamed. But yes there is one reason for which I blame my government is because they were too slow in closing international airports. When the virus had already spread in end of February the first step should have been to shut. All the airports and make countries a bio bubble but obviously the top leaders are always just reactive and never proactive. Now there is just one hope that is vaccine until then just expect the number of case growing.
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October 07, 2020, 10:55:04 AM
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You would see most of the countries who claim to be corona free are havin pretty less population except China ofcourse. So govt really can't be blamed. But yes there is one reason for which I blame my government is because they were too slow in closing international airports. When the virus had already spread in end of February the first step should have been to shut. All the airports and make countries a bio bubble but obviously the top leaders are always just reactive and never proactive. Now there is just one hope that is vaccine until then just expect the number of case growing.

Vietnam has remained  largely free from COVID 19, with just around 1100 total cases and 40 active infections. They are not a small country. Vietnam is having a population of over 100 million. The same can be said about other countries such as Thailand, Tanzania and Taiwan. On the other hand, some of the smaller countries were among the worst hit, including Qatar, Bahrain, Andorra and Panama.
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October 07, 2020, 11:30:24 AM
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We have China, they can make anything in real fast and Trump already stated that they started to produce three different kinds of vaccines and which one passes the clinical trials will be given to the people so it won't take half a decade, to be honest. Only a few countries may not be able to create enough vaccines real quick but hopefully, other countries will help them in that and trap them with future trade contracts like what China did.
not to be harsh but it would be better if we leave this job to those that are real expert on this field because life is at risk on here .  its okay if the vaccines that they produce is not enough but atleast they produce something and that can still lessen the case  .

 while other positive cases can still isolate themselves so that the spread will stop while waiting for another production of vaccine . china country can still help in the form of making ppe's and other useful products that aids covids and non covid patients .
AFAIK, China is not going to support every country even if they produce successful vaccine due to political reasons but they are not the only vaccine producer and as I mentioned China is in the process already so they can issue the vaccine when its get the proper approval.

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October 07, 2020, 11:51:44 AM
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Never heard of this pharma before. I'm not expecting it to take that long since multiple companies are racing to make a vaccine. Likely we'd have several on different price ranges. Yes, they'd likely sell to the highest bidder first, I believe some countries even paid for the vaccine in advance for reservation. The virus seem to have low mortality though so I think the poorer countries can get by following safety protocols. For example we get like 2000 new cases a day but our daily deaths just around the 40-60 range.
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October 07, 2020, 01:47:17 PM
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You would see most of the countries who claim to be corona free are havin pretty less population except China ofcourse. So govt really can't be blamed. But yes there is one reason for which I blame my government is because they were too slow in closing international airports. When the virus had already spread in end of February the first step should have been to shut. All the airports and make countries a bio bubble but obviously the top leaders are always just reactive and never proactive. Now there is just one hope that is vaccine until then just expect the number of case growing.

Vietnam has remained  largely free from COVID 19, with just around 1100 total cases and 40 active infections. They are not a small country. Vietnam is having a population of over 100 million. The same can be said about other countries such as Thailand, Tanzania and Taiwan. On the other hand, some of the smaller countries were among the worst hit, including Qatar, Bahrain, Andorra and Panama.
There are a few exceptions to this obviously there is no fit for all theory. But if you see on a sample space of 200 countries and create a list of countries in descending order You would see most of the highly populated countries have suffered 20-30k+ cases each. But obviously other factors have played a role too it's difficult to say what was the reason of such a thing. First strange thing was Country like China being able to defeat Corona in the first place merely by lockdown in a state. So there must be certain other factors too.
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October 07, 2020, 02:39:51 PM
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You would see most of the countries who claim to be corona free are havin pretty less population except China ofcourse. So govt really can't be blamed. But yes there is one reason for which I blame my government is because they were too slow in closing international airports. When the virus had already spread in end of February the first step should have been to shut. All the airports and make countries a bio bubble but obviously the top leaders are always just reactive and never proactive. Now there is just one hope that is vaccine until then just expect the number of case growing.

Vietnam has remained  largely free from COVID 19, with just around 1100 total cases and 40 active infections. They are not a small country. Vietnam is having a population of over 100 million. The same can be said about other countries such as Thailand, Tanzania and Taiwan. On the other hand, some of the smaller countries were among the worst hit, including Qatar, Bahrain, Andorra and Panama.
I also read about the countries corona virus status but I hope those countries wont be exhausted from practice the good hygiene and the medical procedures they used to curb the spread of the virus.
Teosanru, governments are to be blame for the 80% of the pandemic situation because none of them gave China the required support before the virus spread globally.

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October 07, 2020, 03:38:43 PM
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if we wait until a vaccine is found so that we can live freely, before we get there we will die of starvation.  I realized that my chances of getting infection were up to 90% because I was always meeting hundreds of people/day (it was my business that made me have to do that).  I see in the community that now they are no longer afraid of COVID 19, they are much more afraid of starving to death..

The best advice from a health & economic experts that I have heard is that we must take care of our health and our own families, maintain immunity, and always use masks when doing activities outside the home..

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October 07, 2020, 04:00:58 PM
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Do not be worried, when they say "everyone in the world" they basically talk about literally everyone in the world, that is 8 billion people, which means there will be vaccine for some people very soon, that will start but by the time every single human is vaccinated it will be 2024 which makes sense, we live in a world where water is a problem for some people, there is no way that we can provide vaccination to people we can't provide water.

So, to me and many of you who live in a world where you can deal with crypto and have connection to internet and can buy food and water easily, it will not be that hard. For some people you go to hospital and get vaccinated, simple as that, for the poorest in the world vaccination needs to be brought to them because they are so poor to go to any doctor.

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October 07, 2020, 04:26:48 PM
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Till now the WHO hasn't approved any vaccine against COVID 19. Hope that answers your question.

Since COVID 19 is caused by a virus, it is almost impossible to manufacture a vaccine that is 100% effective. Many of the health agencies are saying that they will approve a potential vaccine, if it's proven to be 50% to 70% effective. Russia and China has started mass-production of their vaccines, although these don't have the approval from the WHO.

Hopefully the mass-produced vaccines by Russia and China are really effective in overcoming this problem.  Because in the absence of a truly effective vaccine, the world's depressed conditions will not be saved.  I even fantasized that the world would look like the series the walking dead.  That's so bad man.
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October 07, 2020, 04:56:51 PM
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Never heard of this pharma before. I'm not expecting it to take that long since multiple companies are racing to make a vaccine. Likely we'd have several on different price ranges. Yes, they'd likely sell to the highest bidder first, I believe some countries even paid for the vaccine in advance for reservation. The virus seem to have low mortality though so I think the poorer countries can get by following safety protocols. For example we get like 2000 new cases a day but our daily deaths just around the 40-60 range.
Sometimes it seems to me that this hype about the coronavirus is not accidental. In any case, it has someone's distant economic interest. It is even possible that someone wants to make themselves many billions of dollars from the vaccine. The main thing is to scare the people. And this is being done with might and main. From TV, you can only hear for the coronavirus. All news is half of the news about the coronavirus in various combinations. To be honest, the information about the coronavirus just started to annoy me. If it had not been hammered into our ears, we would not even have known about such a coronavirus. The death rate from it is no more than from any flu. Deaths are simply attributed to him, simultaneously caused by other, more serious diseases.
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October 07, 2020, 05:04:50 PM
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The CEO might be the head of the world largest vaccine producer but not the fastest vaccine producer, because the first line/fastest vaccine a Human has is their immune and nature.

This is not true at all. You're confusing antibodies with a vaccine.  Your body does not create a vaccine.  When you're infected with the virus, your body creates antibodies to fight the virus.  You're still infected though and you're still capable of spreading the infection to others.  A vaccine is a safe agent that doesn't make you sick but for which your body will still create antibodies for the virus, preventing you from ever being infected. The point of a vaccine is so that you never have to risk getting sick from the virus.

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Till now the WHO hasn't approved any vaccine against COVID 19. Hope that answers your question.

Since COVID 19 is caused by a virus, it is almost impossible to manufacture a vaccine that is 100% effective. Many of the health agencies are saying that they will approve a potential vaccine, if it's proven to be 50% to 70% effective. Russia and China has started mass-production of their vaccines, although these don't have the approval from the WHO.

Hopefully the mass-produced vaccines by Russia and China are really effective in overcoming this problem.  Because in the absence of a truly effective vaccine, the world's depressed conditions will not be saved.  I even fantasized that the world would look like the series the walking dead.  That's so bad man.

It is difficult to confirm whether the vaccines made by Russia and China are working or not. Because it may take many months to analyze the data and measure the efficiency. From what I have seen, the infection rate has remained almost unchanged in Russia. But then, they have just started the mass vaccination drive. China has also started mass vaccination among the members of its armed forces, but that data is even more difficult to get hold of.
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October 07, 2020, 06:51:06 PM
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I don't know what the company's strategy is to raise prices or not, I personally believe the corona vaccine will not be made as quickly as possible because clinical trials and other trials will take longer. Indeed, currently there are many technologies that might make the vaccine launch can be accelerated, but I don't think it will cure the maximum so I believe the vaccine launch will take a long time. That way, there will definitely be a new adaptation that will be made in every country such as continuing to implement health protocols, because if the economy is experiencing a prolonged paralysis it will also not be good, adjustments will definitely be made to restore the economy as long as this pandemic is not over.

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October 07, 2020, 06:58:33 PM
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It is difficult to confirm whether the vaccines made by Russia and China are working or not. Because it may take many months to analyze the data and measure the efficiency. From what I have seen, the infection rate has remained almost unchanged in Russia. But then, they have just started the mass vaccination drive. China has also started mass vaccination among the members of its armed forces, but that data is even more difficult to get hold of.
What vaccine you are talking about, are you talking about trails because even the world health organization is expecting that we could develop a vaccine by the end of this year. Are you claiming that Russia and China have already developed the vaccine and they are hiding from the entire world. I really do not think that is the case and if any country develop a vaccine they will be transparent about it because of the business opportunity they could earn.
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You would see most of the countries who claim to be corona free are havin pretty less population except China ofcourse. So govt really can't be blamed. But yes there is one reason for which I blame my government is because they were too slow in closing international airports. When the virus had already spread in end of February the first step should have been to shut. All the airports and make countries a bio bubble but obviously the top leaders are always just reactive and never proactive. Now there is just one hope that is vaccine until then just expect the number of case growing.

Vietnam has remained  largely free from COVID 19, with just around 1100 total cases and 40 active infections. They are not a small country. Vietnam is having a population of over 100 million. The same can be said about other countries such as Thailand, Tanzania and Taiwan. On the other hand, some of the smaller countries were among the worst hit, including Qatar, Bahrain, Andorra and Panama.
I also read about the countries corona virus status but I hope those countries wont be exhausted from practice the good hygiene and the medical procedures they used to curb the spread of the virus.
Teosanru, governments are to be blame for the 80% of the pandemic situation because none of them gave China the required support before the virus spread globally.
What kind of support did China Require? China themselves were too late in declaring the situation alarming. Moreover country like China doesn't really needs support of any country around the world. Yes I agree governments have played their role in the virus spread but I think the most crucial thing that any country should have done was sealing their international borders rest everything would have been sorted. Even the leader of opposition in my country was shouting the same thing since February but our government realized the same only until March end which alas was too late. How do you measure good hygiene? European countries used to consider themselves too hygenic now you can see their fate? Maybe density of population plays some role or maybe some natural immmunity to certain set of people as Vietnam, Thailand, China, Taiwan belong to roughly the same sub continent and have some matching traits?
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October 07, 2020, 07:45:03 PM
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This is not true at all. You're confusing antibodies with a vaccine.  Your body does not create a vaccine.  When you're infected with the virus, your body creates antibodies to fight the virus.  You're still infected though and you're still capable of spreading the infection to others.  A vaccine is a safe agent that doesn't make you sick but for which your body will still create antibodies for the virus, preventing you from ever being infected. The point of a vaccine is so that you never have to risk getting sick from the virus.

unless your knowledge of vaccines is a false doctrine designed to change everyone's mindset about the use of vaccines. I firmly believe in the existence of a global conspiracy theory that takes hold through the shadows. we all learn to follow the rules they make,

they presented that vaccines are safe for our body's defense and immunity against viruses
but actually not everyone understands what chemicals are put into our bodies
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October 07, 2020, 09:14:37 PM
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I am from India, and I would say that this Adar Poonawalla guy is a fraud. He is a relative of a well known opposition party politician, and he has been making useless statements such as this for sometime now. Actually no one here in India takes this guy seriously anymore. First of all, Serum Institute is not the only manufacturers of the vaccine. Even in India, we have other manufacturers such as Bharat Biotech. 

Yeah I know very well that you are making a positive opinion based on what you heard, see before someone Carrie's information out to the society or public, their most be atoms of truth irrespective previous informations carries out by the same person which seems as negative information.

Concluding that poonawalla who tried to feed people with some measures of positive informations concerning vaccines that will enhance for adequate treatment of corona virus, might be a fruadster, is not totally ideals because such information of condemnation is suppose to have backup as a concrete evidence that will convinced people or enable people to know that these Young person is saying trashed.

Looking at the other manufacturing institute called Bahrat Biotech, they might not produce a vaccine that will subdue the rate of the virus as expected by people in India, therefore everything should be on trial first,before giving a final conclusion.

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October 07, 2020, 09:28:15 PM
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It is difficult to confirm whether the vaccines made by Russia and China are working or not. Because it may take many months to analyze the data and measure the efficiency. From what I have seen, the infection rate has remained almost unchanged in Russia. But then, they have just started the mass vaccination drive. China has also started mass vaccination among the members of its armed forces, but that data is even more difficult to get hold of.
What vaccine you are talking about, are you talking about trails because even the world health organization is expecting that we could develop a vaccine by the end of this year. Are you claiming that Russia and China have already developed the vaccine and they are hiding from the entire world. I really do not think that is the case and if any country develop a vaccine they will be transparent about it because of the business opportunity they could earn.
As far as I know, they are already at the final stage of testing the vaccine,

It is not being hidden from the entire world, but they do yet to distribute it to other countries because they are not finished yet testing it. There is no further information aside from that and I think it will take more weeks or maybe months before we received any other information.


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October 07, 2020, 09:38:26 PM
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You would see most of the countries who claim to be corona free are havin pretty less population except China ofcourse. So govt really can't be blamed. But yes there is one reason for which I blame my government is because they were too slow in closing international airports. When the virus had already spread in end of February the first step should have been to shut. All the airports and make countries a bio bubble but obviously the top leaders are always just reactive and never proactive. Now there is just one hope that is vaccine until then just expect the number of case growing.

Vietnam has remained  largely free from COVID 19, with just around 1100 total cases and 40 active infections. They are not a small country. Vietnam is having a population of over 100 million. The same can be said about other countries such as Thailand, Tanzania and Taiwan. On the other hand, some of the smaller countries were among the worst hit, including Qatar, Bahrain, Andorra and Panama.
They managed to control the spread of the virus and this might be through the cooperation of Vietnam citizens. But this is not the case compared to our country, some people dont have discipline and it seems like its a normal day like there's no virus existing. There's a gathering, children playing outside and going out even there's no important thing to do.

I hope there's a vaccine already its the only way to stop it. Its not going to make sense if they cant produce enough vaccine for everyone, they should do something because its really needed.

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October 07, 2020, 10:33:47 PM
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You would see most of the countries who claim to be corona free are havin pretty less population except China ofcourse. So govt really can't be blamed. But yes there is one reason for which I blame my government is because they were too slow in closing international airports. When the virus had already spread in end of February the first step should have been to shut. All the airports and make countries a bio bubble but obviously the top leaders are always just reactive and never proactive. Now there is just one hope that is vaccine until then just expect the number of case growing.

Vietnam has remained  largely free from COVID 19, with just around 1100 total cases and 40 active infections. They are not a small country. Vietnam is having a population of over 100 million. The same can be said about other countries such as Thailand, Tanzania and Taiwan. On the other hand, some of the smaller countries were among the worst hit, including Qatar, Bahrain, Andorra and Panama.
I also read about the countries corona virus status but I hope those countries wont be exhausted from practice the good hygiene and the medical procedures they used to curb the spread of the virus.
Teosanru, governments are to be blame for the 80% of the pandemic situation because none of them gave China the required support before the virus spread globally.
What kind of support did China Require?
China themselves were too late in declaring the situation alarming. Moreover country like China doesn't really needs support of any country around the world. Yes I agree governments have played their role in the virus spread but I think the most crucial thing that any country should have done was sealing their international borders rest everything would have been sorted. Even the leader of opposition in my country was shouting the same thing since February but our government realized the same only until March end which alas was too late.
China didnt ask for any support from others countries when the Covid 19 issue broke out but the rest of the world are watching and witnessing the ridiculous increase in the number of affected people and the announcement made the Doctor that detected the virus then but no one stood up.
Though China dont ask for help then but theres always a way other country could assist them then and also curb the spread of the virus.

How do you measure good hygiene?
Aside avoiding overcrowding place, bathing, washing of hands etc. Good should measure from what we eat, how we exercise, how you love yourself and others by not exposing them or yourself to danger.

European countries used to consider themselves too hygenic now you can see their fate? Maybe density of population plays some role or maybe some natural immmunity to certain set of people as Vietnam, Thailand, China, Taiwan belong to roughly the same sub continent and have some matching traits?
Natural immunity play some roles cause I read that the Chloroquine which was not endorsed by WHO is what they used in Africa but the reason European countries COVID 19 issue was huge is because they didnt take it serious from the beginning.

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