What is the reason to give me the red trust???

[Timelord2067]

For 90 pages Amel spoke Indonesian then stopped.  On the 9/20/2019 2:37:59 PM    password changed they changed their password and didn't post again for 2 months.  When they came back this is the quality of their posts:

Spammers are individuals who only use this forum to make money and do not care about the quality of their posts. But those who respond according to their hearts and minds, they are the ones who deserve to be here. Although bounty managers reduce the number of posts per week, do you guarantee that spammers will reduce? instead it will increase spammers because it simplifies their work. Therefore, spammers are rogue, it's useless if the bounty manager reduces the number of posts.

Now compare it to their first post here:

Hello @JollyGood

I don't think I'm making a big mistake. It's just that maybe the quality of my post was a little worse. Also, if there is any other mistake, please let me know, sir. If you look at my other posts you will understand that the quality in my post is not so bad. I am waiting for your reply.


Thanks

I have been given red trust from this ID
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1016855

... and their second post:

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I have no doubt about your prudence. I respect you enough. I assure you not to make such a mistake in the future. I hope you will forgive my mistake and take away my red trust in my account very soon.
Thank you sir.

Amel against stops posting on the 28 January 2020, 01:01:52 and resumes posting on the 09 July 2020, 03:21:35 two days after they change their password three times in ~24 hours, the last time being: 7/3/2020 5:14:19 PM    password changed

Note the quality of writing:

Very meaningful writing you wrote. The text is so well-arranged that it is easy for newcomers to understand. I think it's a big deal to write neatly and pay attention to the grammar. No one can easily understand your twisted or messy words. Write in a few words but highlight the main meaning. Your writing will be successful only when your audience understands it very easily.

On the 18 August 2020, 16:24:17 they attept to join 9 different signature campaigns in the following 12 days.  It is in this time that I first spot the use of the word "Sir" when talking to others:

The spreadsheet is updated. Please take a look and make sure that all info is correct. If you find any issue then please knock me here/telegram @sujonali1819
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13r1Opy4g5-FaPUnYPCciavRo0WsoNJkHamIPmKAB4RY/edit#gid=478778819

I am not allowed sir.. I think I can be allowed but not allowed , thanks sir

The last week of September they attempt to join a further six signature campaigns, then on the first of October, their posting style changes to quoting whole blocks of text from external websites.

Conclusion:

"Amel" hasn't posted in Indonesian in the Indonesian section since they first changed their password a year ago and fell silent for two months.  It's my opinion that the account has changed hands at least twice corresponding roughly to when they recommenced posting after changing their password in Sep '19 and July '20.


I also beleive a NEUTRAL "This account may have changed hands and the post quality has been affected" would suffice.

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[Bitcoin_Arena]

Negative trust isn't necessary if someone is shitposting otherwise if members hand it out to anyone whom they think is shitposting or spamming then it loses meaning.
When negative feedback is sent even for very small offenses then so many profiles are going to have it and a points is going to reach where people won't care if there account has negative trust or not. It becomes the new normal. Best things to do is:
1. Reporting their posts
2. Ignoring the shitposter

[Scam Exposey]

So what happen now? Hopefully there's a sanction for DT members made a mistake for doing some irrelevant decisions here.

Because that's not fair for a forum user to get a red trust for such action which can be corrected easily.

DT position has been abuse nowadays.

[Timelord2067]

So what happen now? Hopefully there's a sanction for DT members made a mistake for doing some irrelevant decisions here.

Because that's not fair for a forum user to get a red trust for such action which can be corrected easily.

DT position has been abuse nowadays.

This link might be able to (in part) answer your question.

[HCP]

I don't think I'm making a big mistake.

You are making a "big mistake"... it's called 'Plagiarism'.


Plain and simple, the guy is plagiarizing with text spinners...

Plagiarism:

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The good news about looking for the finest football transfer betting options is that the main problem you are likely to have is that there is simply an overwhelming amount of choice. We know, it is a rather pleasant issue to have, but it is still something that needs navigating.

That is why we have compiled a list of what, in our expert opinion, are the eight greatest options in this market. Now, this does not mean that our top picks here will consistently have the best odds on the transfer market each and every time. No bookmaker can make that claim. Paddy Power transfer markets, for instance, could have the best Arsenal transfer odds and Everton transfer odds, but be behind competitors on transfer Premier League markets elsewhere. The next transfer window could see them be best in an entirely different set of examples. What we are saying is that just because one operator does well on one of the latest odds football transfer markets, that does not mean they will be best all around.

Our ranking is instead based on who we think have consistently provided the best betting experience for the football transfer windows, be that through player transfer odds, how the football transfer window is represented,  promotions like managers specials, and how it compliments everything else that is available on the site, to give some examples of our criteria. And it is following that process we have come up with our finely tuned, carefully crafted, top bookmakers for football transfers.

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User has been reported.

[YOSHIE]

Do you think the value of the second post is low

No, that's not what I mean 'low quality'.

I was thinking what did you reply in the topic of gambling, @JollyGood felt uncomfortable with your reply, I thought @JollyGood thought you didn't understand in the game you replied, that's why he warned you there.

I thought that was the problem, so @JollyGood got a little emotional and he thought you were challenging him and forbade you to post on the topic he created.

You should look for other gambling topics, that you really understand about the game to discuss it, that's what you should do before someone gets emotional, so it's not as complicated as it is today, actually the problems you are facing right now, You seek it, for yourself.

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Do you think the value of the second post is low

No, that's not what I mean 'low quality'.

I was thinking what did you reply in the topic of gambling, @JollyGood felt uncomfortable with your reply, I thought @JollyGood thought you didn't understand in the game you replied, that's why he warned you there.

I thought that was the problem, so @JollyGood got a little emotional and he thought you were challenging him and forbade you to post on the topic he created.

You should look for other gambling topics, that you really understand about the game to discuss it, that's what you should do before someone gets emotional, so it's not as complicated as it is today, actually the problems you are facing right now, You seek it, for yourself.

it is obvious that you have understood the basic JollyGood motive when they leave negative feedback to Amel, but in essence, it is still the wrong reason. Neutral is okay in case of any shitposter (I didn't research OP's posts) just to warn primarily signature campaign managers.

Based on this JG tag, I would expect him to neg tag campaign manager which accept shitposter or spammer in the campaign. In the end, they are the bigger culprits because they allow it and still pay for such posts.

@JollyGood you need to revise this feedback (and others similar if any) to prove that you fully understand how to trust system work and its real purpose. If you insist on the red tag this user, it seems here in this topic you have more serious reasons for that. some users have done a more investigation.

[YOSHIE]

@JollyGood you need to revise this feedback

I think there is no point in revising or doing anything with @Amel anymore.

He's left the forum for good: Amel (Archived),
unless there is a miracle.

@Amel: Have a nice day out there.

[TheBeardedBaby]

@JollyGood you need to revise this feedback

I think there is no point in revising or doing anything with @Amel anymore.

He's left the forum for good: Amel (Archived),
unless there is a miracle.

@Amel: Have a nice day out there.

It really doesn't matter if the account is banned or not but the negative feedback should be revised. As everyone else said, this is inappropriate use of the trust/feedback system. I'm not talking about if the user is a spammer or not, the right approach was already followed since the account is banned, and that was what should have been done at the first place. Hope that @JollyGood will avoid doing this in the future.

[TheUltraElite]

Just my opinion,

Previously theymos has told that DT users who use the trust system to negative tag a person for their posting habits will not longer remain a DT member.

So Jolly should take better steps in controlling his red paint gun if they wishes to keep their status intact and also because we need them to tag scammers and continue what Jolly does good.

Reporting to the moderator is what should have been done in the first place instead of giving a negative trust. This is the job of the mods to do so let them do it. Division of duties is important here.

In any case, this one is over now, but have any of you informed irfan_pak about it? I found the OP's name still in the campaign list. If not, I will do it.

[Lucius]

Previously theymos has told that DT users who use the trust system to negative tag a person for their posting habits will not longer remain a DT member.

I have nothing personally against JollyGood , but I wonder if any of the DT members who have it on their list have removed (distrust) him due to inappropriate use of negative feedback? Personally, I felt on my skin that such abuse is punished by other DT members very expressively without any hesitation.

[eddie13]

Previously theymos has told that DT users who use the trust system to negative tag a person for their posting habits will not longer remain a DT member.

I have nothing personally against JollyGood , but I wonder if any of the DT members who have it on their list have removed (distrust) him due to inappropriate use of negative feedback? Personally, I felt on my skin that such abuse is punished by other DT members very expressively without any hesitation.

No, mostly because he didn’t do it to some poor undeserving user out of some personal vendetta to destroy their account..

He was right, even though he used the wrong tag button..

Many DT make much more abusive tags and get away with it over much worse circumstances like personal feuds..

Wrong use of tag but not very egregious or malicious..

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@JollyGood you need to revise this feedback

I think there is no point in revising or doing anything with @Amel anymore.

He's left the forum for good: Amel (Archived),
unless there is a miracle.

@Amel: Have a nice day out there.

It really doesn't matter if the account is banned or not but the negative feedback should be revised. As everyone else said, this is inappropriate use of the trust/feedback system. I'm not talking about if the user is a spammer or not, the right approach was already followed since the account is banned, and that was what should have been done at the first place. Hope that @JollyGood will avoid doing this in the future.

Exactly, I am guided by the first post in the thread where OP started a discussion about correct/incorrect red tag. Is no matter is it about Amel or someone other.

Previously theymos has told that DT users who use the trust system to negative tag a person for their posting habits will not longer remain a DT member.

I have nothing personally against JollyGood , but I wonder if any of the DT members who have it on their list have removed (distrust) him due to inappropriate use of negative feedback? Personally, I felt on my skin that such abuse is punished by other DT members very expressively without any hesitation.

No, mostly because he didn’t do it to some poor undeserving user out of some personal vendetta to destroy their account..

He was right, even though he used the wrong tag button..

Many DT make much more abusive tags and get away with it over much worse circumstances like personal feuds..

Wrong use of tag but not very egregious or malicious..

Jolly is a good member, and he did a great job in the fight against fraudsters. things like this can make him better and more precise in leaving feedback. I know he's corrected his rating a couple of times already after a suggestion, which is a good sign and means that he is still trying to be rational when using trust system over Bitcointalk.
I will leave it still on my trust list but I will certainly pay attention to his feedbacks, in the end, it is the same with everyone else on my list whom I have trusted.

[Vod]

I have nothing personally against JollyGood , but I wonder if any of the DT members who have it on their list have removed (distrust) him due to inappropriate use of negative feedback?

He's a Jolly Good guy. 

I feel many DT1 members are kind of "holding their breath" on changing any trust lists right now.     Covid and the election... something is in the air.  :/

[hacker1001101001]

Previously theymos has told that DT users who use the trust system to negative tag a person for their posting habits will not longer remain a DT member.

I have nothing personally against JollyGood , but I wonder if any of the DT members who have it on their list have removed (distrust) him due to inappropriate use of negative feedback? Personally, I felt on my skin that such abuse is punished by other DT members very expressively without any hesitation.

No, mostly because he didn’t do it to some poor undeserving user out of some personal vendetta to destroy their account..

He was right, even though he used the wrong tag button..

He has done it around dozens of time previously out of his personal vendetta. It's clear that he has too much of an ego and likes to shit on others user trust wall without any solid reason's for doing so.

He always uses wrong tag button to show whom he puts on ignore. ( but can't stand by his words anyways). Maybe this is more clear now.

[suchmoon]

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Constantly attacking those who you perceive as having wronged you is not going to change the fact that you're a plagiarising ICO-bumping maggot. Stop derailing threads with your butthurt.

[hacker1001101001]

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Constantly attacking those who you perceive as having wronged you is not going to change the fact that you're a plagiarising ICO-bumping maggot. Stop derailing threads with your butthurt.

I just mentioned a fact. I hope that doesn't count as something worth of red trust from an abusers perspective which you are trying to defend.

[suchmoon]

I just mentioned a fact. I hope that doesn't count as something worth of red trust from an abusers perspective which you are trying to defend.

Posting in threads without reading them is another thing that you should really stop doing. I'm not defending anybody here and you would know that if you read the fucking thread. You could have also learned that this thread is not about you but about another plagiarising shithead. Plagiarism is cancer and while red trust is not appropriate in this case, nor is this grandstanding and indignation from the likes of you. Shut up and start reporting spammers since you've been giving a completely undeserved second chance.

[hacker1001101001]

I just mentioned a fact. I hope that doesn't count as something worth of red trust from an abusers perspective which you are trying to defend.

Posting in threads without reading them is another thing that you should really stop doing. I'm not defending anybody here and you would know that if you read the fucking thread. You could have also learned that this thread is not about you but about another plagiarising shithead. Plagiarism is cancer and while red trust is not appropriate in this case, nor is this grandstanding and indignation from the likes of you. Shut up and start reporting spammers since you've been giving a completely undeserved second chance.

Nice spin, but I don't endorse plagiarism or even supported it in this thread anywhere. Also, the plagiarism thing was discovered after the red trust was given anyways.

[Timelord2067]

Constantly attacking those who you perceive as having wronged you

That's about where you should have hit the pause button and asked yourself "Do you want to continue?"  instead of continuing with this:

is not going to change the fact that you're a plagiarising ICO-bumping maggot. Stop derailing threads with your butthurt.

It's off topic and hijacking the thread.

Please stop.