Bitcoin talk could fix the spam in one move....REMOVE SIGNATURE...Right??

[shield132]

I don't understand at all, after many years, people still complain about signature campaigns, why? What's wrong with it?
First of all bitcointalk is a place where you can discuss about bitcoin, blockchain and crypto related threads. This forum is an insane source of amazing information and of some amazing people. This is a forum where you can post your question about technical thing, economics, etc and get solid answers. What's wrong with signatures? You post here, help people and earn some money.

I wouldn't call myself the highest quality posters but after all, what measures quality of our posts? Haven't you ever visited any other forum? For example reddit and others? Spams are everywhere, nothing can fix it. Our posts also shouldn't be 100% related to technical staff and PHD degree. It's also communication between users.

People trade here, do good things. This forum gives new and old businesses a possibility to promote, become popular and start a project in crypto industry. This forum is the great place for this purposes too. Signature campaigns help businesses to spread their message and this helps crypto industry to develop. By using signature campaigns, there were created and promoted a lot of very successful projects that play now the major role in crypto business.

Signature campaigns also drive traffic on this website. I can't believe you haven't seen a high quality posters who put signature in their profile.

Let's imagine we removed signatures, what do you think, people won't ever post spam things? Check other forums who don't have signatures, there are still dozens of spam posts.

This forum is doing great things, a lot of projects started from there and continue from there. Also I think we shouldn't forget the job of moderators and DT members, they are doing great things against spammers.

And enough is enough!!! Brain is f***ed by such threads.

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[BlackHatCoiner]

Signature campaigns exist, because it's cool to exist. Everyone is happy, me that advertise a product and get paid, the owner of the product because I advertise it and the members that click it, chose to click it.

OP, you are right about the part of spamming. Yes there are some new users that came here just to spam, but not all of us. Actually the spammers are really few comparing those who make high quality posts. If the administrating team desides to continue this, at least for the next years, only good things will happen. How many forums do you believe that will be alive in the '20s?

The forum era is over.

[fortebettor]

I stopped here

Imagine how GREAT

Yes, then imagine how people would motivate to make this forum grow. It's getting bigger and bigger u think ?

Signature campaigns exist, because it's cool to exist. Everyone is happy, me that advertise a product and get paid, the owner of the product because I advertise it and the members that click it, chose to click it.
OP, you are right about the part of spamming.

I agree, too, but isn't there such spam everywhere? Such advertising in the google search engine and even on TV is also a bit of spam ? Only that in a different form. Don't you think so?

Besides, see what is online marketing about ? To a great extent it is spam... Sad

The forum era is over.

prove it

[UmerIdrees]

Also,  the ADs that the site uses for revenue are fine,  and have nothing to do with signature.

You should know that people want to give ADs where they see is a lot of traffic. So if you remove the signatures, the traffic of the forum will decrease too and therefore the revenue generation from ads will decrease too. Signatures do not contribute in the direct income of the forum but they do contribute indirectly.

[Rengga Jati]

Imagine how GREAT this forum would be if you couldn't get PAID to post!!!

There's nothing wrong with a signature campaign. Not all members who use signatures will create spam posts. In fact, if you know, there are many signature campaigns that require high-quality participants and not shitposters. Signature campaign is one of the promotions of the projects, one of the ways or reasons why people are here.

Remove the signature....PROBLEM SOLVED

Can you guarantee that if members here do not use any signature, there will be no shitposts? No, because it is not the fault of the signature campaigns, but this depends on each member right here. They decide to be a shitposter or good poster.

I know your concern of this forum is good actually, but, we can't force what we have already been doing here to be nonactivated.

[BlackHatCoiner]

I agree, too, but isn't there such spam everywhere? Such advertising in the google search engine and even on TV is also a bit of spam ? Only that in a different form. Don't you think so?

Besides, see what is online marketing about ? To a great extent it is spam... Sad

Again, not everyone spam. I don't know what you watch on TV that is spammy. I think that you're trying to tell me that you hate that advertisement exist. I don't know about you, but when I see posts like these I don't consider them as spam.
https://i.imgur.com/6prbnmc.png
https://i.imgur.com/pALME1j.png

The forum era is over.

prove it

The 00's and 10's were times to be a member on a forum. Right now, social media sit on the throne. This may be true only for my country, but I highly doubt. The only forums that have stayed alive are those with the tech problems. Why? Because tech people will always post on such forums. Although, a forum based on a TV-series like harryworld.org becomes a dead forum since you can do the same thing on facebook, with even more people.

[RapTarX]

Out of all the replies, 64 posts can wear signature (I mean if all the posts were posted by individual users, that would be 64, there are 2 newbies who don't have the right to wear signature.
Now, out of that 64 posts, only 3 didn't have any signature which includes 2 of your posts (OP isn't included). Probably 3 posts have their own signature (Not paid). Rest are paid. Now, would you get such a discussion without the presence of all of the poster here? I doubt. You would get only a few posts.
I guess signature isn't the problem here at all. Problem is the size vs the stuff working for the forum. If theymos employs some more stuff, I guess spam could be easily deleted and spammers could be kicked out of the forum.

[FontSeli]

I wear a signature so my opinion is biased in this case.
Of course, deleting signatures from the forum will remove the amount of spam to a greater extent. However, this will have a very serious impact on forum attendance.
If you look at signature campaigns, the best posters of this forum participate in campaigns where payments are made weekly in Bitcoins. The bulk of spam comes from signature campaigns, where payment is made in project tokens that cost nothing to their owners. For what is given for free, you can not follow. Therefore, I believe that the best solution would be to ban all campaigns with payment in tokens. Set the rules for acceptable payment in Bitcoin and Ethereum.
This of course would not solve the problem 100%, but it would reduce the amount of spam significantly.

[Smartvirus]

The forum would be relatively quite, thats true but then, one of the criteria for being paid in a signature campaign requires your post to be of good quality hence, the decision on either a posts is a spam rests in a managers judgement.
Besides, I don't know the statistics of the forum users involved in signature, if their is an data set available maybe on a monthly bases, please reference me or if there isn't any, it won't be a bad idea to have it in place. In essence, I'm trying to bring to the consciousness of the fact that, with the idea of ranking in place and the criterias required to participate in signatures, coupled with the very few number of users required, it's only a handful of users compared to the entire and very few of this handful could be said to spam the forum.

[hilariousetc]

I don't understand at all, after many years, people still complain about signature campaigns, why? What's wrong with it?

I think this thread is a perfect example of what it wrong with them. Did you even read the replies here as there's plenty of comments explaining what is wrong with your arguments and you're just saying the same thing as everyone else is over and over.

First of all bitcointalk is a place where you can discuss about bitcoin, blockchain and crypto related threads.

And you can do that without signatures.

This forum is an insane source of amazing information and of some amazing people.

And it's hidden beneath thousands of shitposters giving out incorrect information or saying the same things reworded dozens if not hundreds of times.

This is a forum where you can post your question about technical thing, economics, etc and get solid answers. What's wrong with signatures? You post here, help people and earn some money.

The problem is obviously the monetised spam. Everyone knows littering is bad, but imagine if someone started to pay others to litter. It would get messy very fast.

Haven't you ever visited any other forum? For example reddit and others? Spams are everywhere, nothing can fix it. Our posts also shouldn't be 100% related to technical staff and PHD degree. It's also communication between users.

And can you imagine how bad reddit or anywhere else would be if somehow they could get get paid for posting there. Paying people to spam just exacerbates the problem ten thousand-fold.

People trade here, do good things. This forum gives new and old businesses a possibility to promote, become popular and start a project in crypto industry. This forum is the great place for this purposes too. Signature campaigns help businesses to spread their message and this helps crypto industry to develop. By using signature campaigns, there were created and promoted a lot of very successful projects that play now the major role in crypto business.

Someone spray painting an advert on the front of your house might be good for their business and spreading the word. Doesn't mean to say we should accept that.

Signature campaigns also drive traffic on this website. I can't believe you haven't seen a high quality posters who put signature in their profile.

That's not the problem with the few high quality posters posting under a signature... The problem is the thousands of other shitposters sullying the discussion and drowning out any useful information.

Let's imagine we removed signatures, what do you think, people won't ever post spam things? Check other forums who don't have signatures, there are still dozens of spam posts.

Again, now imagine someone offered to pay people to post on those forums... what do you think would happen then?

And enough is enough!!! Brain is f***ed by such threads.

Well that's how a lot of people feel when they see the wall-to-wall spam everyone. Everyday I think I've seen every possible permutation possible of gambling threads, then someone will create a thread like Do you gamble on the toilet. Do you gamble drunk. Do you gamble on an aeroplane. Have you every gambled on the toilet of an aeroplane. Have you every gambled on the toilet of an aeroplane whilst being drunk. And the shit threads go on. Are you telling me people would create those threads here or anywhere else if they weren't getting paid to do so? Of course not, they've just run out of possible things to talk about so they come up with any ridiculous thing they can.

Out of all the replies, 64 posts can wear signature (I mean if all the posts were posted by individual users, that would be 64, there are 2 newbies who don't have the right to wear signature.
Now, out of that 64 posts, only 3 didn't have any signature which includes 2 of your posts (OP isn't included). Probably 3 posts have their own signature (Not paid). Rest are paid. Now, would you get such a discussion without the presence of all of the poster here? I doubt. You would get only a few posts.
I guess signature isn't the problem here at all. Problem is the size vs the stuff working for the forum. If theymos employs some more stuff, I guess spam could be easily deleted and spammers could be kicked out of the forum.

But how many of them are saying anything new? Most just seem to be worried about their paycheck disappearing whilst saying the same thing as everyone else.

[OgNasty]

Unfortunately, the spammers have this site by the balls.  Them along with trolls have chased away nearly all legitimate and innovative Bitcoin users leaving mostly spammers & scammers to view advertisements.  Sure, this problem could be solved very simply as you state.  The forum could take over signature ads, have them fairly offered to higher level members, and spam could be heavily targeted instead of paid for by lazy campaign managers.  However, solving this problem would be a massive hit to the user stats of this site and would likely hurt advertising revenue as well as the site's legitimacy in rankings. 

A very tough decision has to be made about whether this site should be useful for Bitcoin users or profitable.  Given mankind's history, I think it's safe to say advertisements will be protected, no matter how scummy or harmful to Bitcoin that direction leads us.

Those saying that there would be almost no posting without signature ads...  No shit.  That's the problem.  There used to be no spam here and nothing but posts about Bitcoin projects.  It was a golden era that has been all but forgotten by this new breed of spam-powered profiteers. 

[pugman]

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I don't know if anyone has asked this before, but what do you, or the moderation team think of solving the spam issue(other than the remove signature option which has been the goto-reply for years). Like why not make signatures restrictive for full members, or above? Or make some boards for full member and above(like Serious Discussion), but with signatures ON instead? How about hosting some sort of contests every week, or some games(like how Among Us is getting insanely popular, forum members could get invited to play).  Or how about expanding bitcointalk more than just as a forum, and exploring the idea of having courses related to bitcoin launched on this forum, or other platforms, and also maybe having a youtube channel as such? I can go on about recommending things, that might potentially increase forum discussions, if said things are implemented right.

[cabalism13]

IMO, it's not just Signature Campaigns, we also have Bounties such as Twitter which I consider to be giving more spam than usual due to Bounty Hunter's everyday reports. And besides how many of us here has been on a signature campaign and does only spamming all the time? I think most of the Campaign Participants now are quite good to be called a normal user and considered to be a good citizen of the forum compared before when Merit is yet to be introduced.

[Nellayar]

IMO, it's not just Signature Campaigns, we also have Bounties such as Twitter which I consider to be giving more spam than usual due to Bounty Hunter's everyday reports. And besides how many of us here has been on a signature campaign and does only spamming all the time? I think most of the Campaign Participants now are quite good to be called a normal user and considered to be a good citizen of the forum compared before when Merit is yet to be introduced.

Definitely I agree!

There are more spammers in social media campaign than signature campaigns because of their daily reports to the bounties. It is also consider as spamming because there is no content with their post aside from link of their shared posts. We do not discriminate those users who have joined in social media campaigns but I think it is obviously that they are the one that spams the forum. Imagine, a lot of newbie users shared their daily links to the forum that costs too much spamming activity as well. As a matter of fact, there is a user here that discussed a few months ago which his posts was purely shared link of his social media campaigns.

[NavI_027]

As a matter of fact, there is a user here that discussed a few months ago which his posts was purely shared link of his social media campaigns.

Well, it's not so hard to look for another one. I mean, there are several members existing here for the sake of their main business only which is posting their social media links — not going anywhere, not interacting with other members .



And in my opinion, there's no guarantee that this forum will be finally free from spammers even assuming that all money earning opportunities here will be removed. Why? Because at the end of the day, this place is where most crypto enthusiasts gather. It creates a huge traffic thus considered a good place for shilling (a form of spamming) all the projects you can think of.

We can only eradicate spamming if all of us here got the right discipline. However, it was so ideal so I think it won't happen either.

[OcTradism]

IMO, it's not just Signature Campaigns, we also have Bounties such as Twitter which I consider to be giving more spam than usual due to Bounty Hunter's everyday reports. And besides how many of us here has been on a signature campaign and does only spamming all the time? I think most of the Campaign Participants now are quite good to be called a normal user and considered to be a good citizen of the forum compared before when Merit is yet to be introduced.

Bounties are hidden boards for bounty hunters and bounty reporters. I almost don't visit bounty boards. People are complaining about the annoyance in non-bounty boards and from low quality bounty hunters and their valueless posts.

Spam and get payments, it only happens with signature campaigns in bounties or low paid signature campaigns that are managed by unprofessional managers.

[libert19]

"Also,  the ADs that the site uses for revenue are fine,  and have nothing to do with signature."

How so? No signature campaigns means less traffic to forum and that equals less revenue?

[cabalism13]

IMO, it's not just Signature Campaigns, we also have Bounties such as Twitter which I consider to be giving more spam than usual due to Bounty Hunter's everyday reports. And besides how many of us here has been on a signature campaign and does only spamming all the time? I think most of the Campaign Participants now are quite good to be called a normal user and considered to be a good citizen of the forum compared before when Merit is yet to be introduced.

People are complaining about the annoyance in non-bounty boards and from low quality bounty hunters and their valueless posts.

We should atleast expect theymos to ban signature from those boards if that's really necessary, also as for the managers that doesn't value posts they should also receive some penalties, depends on the amount of spam that they produce I guess, something like warning until they get permanently banned. And maybe we shouldn't let Newbie to Juniors manage campaigns unless they avail copper membership. JMO

[Fivestar4everMVP]

BIGGER DOES NOT EQUAL..... BETTER

And in some situations, BIGGER IS 100 PERCENT EQUAL TO ..... BETTER

To be honest with you, I understand your point of view, but am sorry to disagree with you on the basis that signatures should be removed in a bid to fight spam.

Believe me when I tell you that the "getting paid to post" features of this forum have done it far more good than harm, which is why i tell you that bigger equals better when you consider some factors, one of them is COMPETITION.

Do not forget that their are Many other forums out there competing to be what  BTT is today, and all this forums have this same feature "get paid to post", if this feature is scrapped from BTT today, many new projects will have their announcement posted here for the sake of those who still use this forum, their main activities like bounty and airdrop will be held on alt forums cus that where their audience and potential community members are, BTT will loose many members and the so called quality posters included.

One advice I will give you is never to compare yourself with other people, that you have a day job that pays you good and you are comfortable with doesn't mean it's same for everyone, some people mostly in the third world countries don't have jobs and this is what they do to earn a good living.

What I can say concerning spam is instead of BTT scrapping get paid to post, they can rather, as an alternative to scrapping, regulate posts by deleting posts considered as spam and the poster warned not to make such post next time, and if he or she continues to make such posts for a certain period of time, he or she can be banned from the forum... This has been happening here in the background if am not mistaken.

My opinion

[iamsheikhadil]

While I agree with you partially, I don't think it will likely prevent spam. Spammers gonna spam. Ads are a part of the life now, you see ads everywhere. Be it on YouTube, Spotify, streets etc. It's annoying to have them but at the same time they make platforms free and smooth. I think if Bitcoin Signature campaigns have to pay a small fee for running their campaigns to bitcointalk forum (I think they already do, but not sure) that will generate revenue for the site to be well maintained. There are already rules for spamming, and it gets you suspended or banned. And spammers are also kicked from sig campaigns as well by managers