Bitcoin talk could fix the spam in one move....REMOVE SIGNATURE...Right??

[contraband]

Can someone please tell me... how having 90% of the comments only being made to pad a signature count....a good thing for the forum.

Imagine how GREAT this forum would be if you couldn't get PAID to post!!!

Absolute trash of an idea to have sigs

Why would we want to keep it going?

Remove the signature....PROBLEM SOLVED

am I wrong?


EDIT: I love how 90% of you say "there wouldn't be any posts" if we got rid of the signature spammers.
"it would be very quiet" etc.

I wholeheartedly disagree.  There are plenty of quality posters here. 

The noise is all you hear.  It's so bad...that you are convinced thats all there is lol

Also,  the ADs that the site uses for revenue are fine,  and have nothing to do with signature.

I know people need money... But we can't pay people to post and expect a good forum.

BIGGER DOES NOT EQUAL..... BETTER

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[jacafbiz]

Can someone please tell me... how having 90% of the comments only being made to pad a signature count....a good thing for the forum.

Imagine how GREAT this forum would be if you couldn't get PAID to post!!!

Absolute trash of an idea to have sigs

Why would we want to keep it going?

Remove the signature....PROBLEM SOLVED

am I wrong?

I do understand your concern about the signature spamming the forum and I have thought about this also, the quality of posts on this forum has been greatly diluted, but this solution you proposed is going to have a negative impact on the forum because most of their revenue is from ads, and advertisers use this metrics to decide if they want to put their ads here or there. Once the Signature is off ,the number of visitors would dried out and so is the revenue. Also the $10 you think mean nothing to you, is a life saver to some people

[Sirait]

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No matter what you think of it this way, signature campaigns are a form of marketing and have been around for a long time.

By the way, you are wrong discussed this in the Altcoin discussion thread. Better move it to the Meta thread.

[pungopete468]

It might be true but not because a user is enrolled to signature campaign it does mean that his post was just to comply in completing the signature or his post is non sense I can see a lot of users who enrolled to signature campaigns but still participating seriously in discussion and not just posting to complete their signatures.

[Johnyz]

The moderator are doing their best to ban those low value post so if you’re just spamming here for sure time will come and you will experience to get banned. Signature campaign is a traditional way of advertising here in the forum and beside, not all spammer are wearing signature so I don’t think it will work, there’s other option for sure.

[Baofeng]

It's not that easy, almost all the traffic of this website comes from advertisement of signature campaigns. I  said signature campaigns and not bounties in alt section wherein the problem originates with low post quality and scams. And this forum needs sig campaigns or at least ads because there is where Theymos generates money to maintain this community. Removing sig campaign not that solution to the problem here.

[Zvon P]

1.  You are right in that it would remove a lot of spam from people that otherwise wouldn't post
2.  The site's traffic would be reduced by so much

[Fakhrulenclix]

I think yeah, but remove the signatures is not a solution, because signatures is one of many ways that makes this forum can be growth.
Can not be denied that many people join here because of the signatures, signature remove means people will not making a post, and traffic website will be reduced so much, it's not something expected

[btc_angela]

I will quote Theymos for and see how it goes to you:

So he himself is not against making money out of this community with those signature campaigns, specially good members who made quality post and add something to the discussion.

It's too early to get a clear picture, but my thoughts so far:

First, most people complaining about merit are constantly posting garbage, and should not rank-up. The forum is not a welfare system; you don't run through a few hoops and then get paid for doing something that nobody actually wants. I like that good forum members can make money, especially when said forum members are in poorer countries and this is a major opportunity for them. I very much do not want to destroy the sig-ad/airdrop/bounty "industry". But I am not going to tolerate people posting garbage upon garbage. If the merit system completely fails and I can't think of anything else to replace it, then my next step will probably be to completely remove all ways for forum users to make money from posting (eg. removing signatures entirely).

Maybe there are ways for people who were making money by posting garbage on the forum to make money on other sites with easy bounties, etc. (For example, I don't know if they're actually any good, but https://bountyhive.io is currently advertising on the forum.) But people should use the forum to talk about these money-making ideas, not as a way of making money itself. Once you spend a lot of time here, you may be able to make some money here (which is great!), but you should consider this a far-off hope, not your primary objective.

BTW, if anyone has any ideas for simple things that these ex-nonsense-posters could usefully do to make money, I think that this'd be a good project right now. There are apparently quite a few people who were making money on the forum and could use guidance. Even though their past activities were not good for this forum, I doubt that they are useless in general.


Merit awards may be too spotty/uneven currently, though it's still too early to say. In addition to continuously adding more sources, if things could still use improvement in this regard in a couple of months, I may do something like decay old sMerit and unused source merit and randomly redistribute the decayed merit. How the random distribution would work would magnify past merit -- so perhaps you would get an increased chance of winning extra merit for every post you've made which has at least 1 merit, but certainly you would not get any extra merit if none of your posts was ever merited.

Merit sales, transfers to aliases, back-and-forth trading, etc. are not much of an issue. All illegitimate merit will decay, and will account for a tiny and very expensive fraction of the total merit economy. It's basically a rounding error; fight it where convenient, but waste no sleep over it.

I think that actmyname has been too hasty with some of his negatives, but I haven't had time to look carefully enough into it to justify making forceful changes. I did exclude actmyname from my trust list, so another DT1 could remove him from the default trust network by doing the same.

[Nellayar]

Can someone please tell me... how having 90% of the comments only being made to pad a signature count....a good thing for the forum.

Imagine how GREAT this forum would be if you couldn't get PAID to post!!!

Absolute trash of an idea to have sigs

Why would we want to keep it going?

Remove the signature....PROBLEM SOLVED

am I wrong?

Let us assume that there is no signature in this forum and no other opportunity at all. Do you think that it ease the spamming activity when there are good quality poster will be gone in forum? There are a lot of content creator which also want to be paid by posting in this forum, they pursue to create such a helpful thread because the campaign they have joined required to make good posts. I frankly saying that many of us want to be paid in posting in this forum, opportunity drives everybody to make a better post. However, there are such spammers who don`t want to think when they are posting. And this low quality poster should be disposed. How? By mentioning them or by reporting them in moderators. You should not cite a rule which will affect everyone, remove the few sands in grains but don`t throw it all.

[Fundamentals Of]

It is a good thing because it increases the forum's traffic. Other than that, it also encourages users to participate in discussions. Threads with latest topics are created, users are informed and updated, they try to make a research and contribute their own opinion, etc. That is somehow partly due to the fact that they are paid to post. Visitors are also offered with new posts to read on a daily or even hourly basis.

If what you want will be implemented, my guess is that this forum will become eerily silent. The vibrant discussion would also be significantly reduced or probably gone.

[terizla]

removing signature does not mean it will reduce spam in posts. signature is only used for promotion. many new accounts always do spam create trash topic.

Imagine how GREAT this forum would be if you couldn't get PAID to post!!!

Otherwise. This forum will be silent and the traffic will reduce.

[bayu7adi]

the existence of a signature campaign that pays a person for completing their mission, has two distinct effects. The first is the risk of people who only think about money and money, so they will consciously write something in this forum without any educational purpose. They only think about the number of letters, the number of words and the number of their posts with the aim of getting a stake at the end of the week. Meanwhile, the existence of the Signature campaign also has a positive impact on forum users who have better than average post quality. They will be more enthusiastic in writing something useful.

In fact, since the merit rules were established, this has reduced most spammers from completing the task of the Signature campaign, where the important layer after the Administrator is the bounty manager. A bounty manager must be able to choose participants to have good quality posts by maximizing the existence of the merit feature in this forum. So, the decision to delete Signature is not the right decision to do at this time. Because the signature campaign is innocent, but the real problem is forum users who have a money goal without educating friends.

We don't need to destroy a car, if only the wheels are damaged.

[Valzador]

Can someone please tell me... how having 90% of the comments only being made to pad a signature count....a good thing for the forum.

Imagine how GREAT this forum would be if you couldn't get PAID to post!!!

Absolute trash of an idea to have sigs

Why would we want to keep it going?

Remove the signature....PROBLEM SOLVED

am I wrong?

Do you think that this forum only needs to be filled by people with useful quality posts? Have you ever thought about beginners? They do not follow the signature campaign, but their posts' quality is also low compared to someone who is already a full member or a senior member.

[YOSHIE]

Remove the signature....PROBLEM SOLVED
am I wrong?

It is not a solution, spam is not on sig, even if the signature is in this forum or not in this forum, if someone is into the profession to send spam, it keeps happening.

The main purpose of this forum is to discuss crypto / Bitcoin, while crypto / Bitcoin and others related to Blockchain, cryptocurrency, wallet, coins, markets, exchanges, trading and so on, can only be seen and obtained through (signature), if all of that is not in this forum and deleted, so what is this forum for, what is this forum for only discussing personal matters here, worse will happen.

If your idea applies in this forum, maybe, you make a post yourself or speak yourself in this forum, I am sure of that.

Spam depends on the person himself, it has nothing to do with the signature, quite a lot of members use sig in this forum, but they are very professional and educated, make this forum more advanced, safe and thriving.

[maxreish]

Lets be honest. This forum is popular for sharing of crypto knowledge plus signature campaigns and bounty projects promotions. With all of these, this will help the forum community  become productive. Let's say we removed signature campaigns, will this really make the forum  less  spam? Of course not.

Why don't we just improve sharing ideas, replying in useful comments (it doesnt matter if it's long or not as long as reply makes sense and could be helpful). And come to think of it,  crypto promotions comes at btt forum first. Not only that, I myself can prove that this forum helped me a lot when it come with trading tips and techniques.

[tranthidung]

It will not happen for 3 reasons at least:

• theymos are welcome newbies and would prefer to give people opportunities to earn money here
• The forum has solutions to reduce spam, and effects from spam advertisements, prevent spammers rank up to high positions.
• Members on their sides, can disable both avatar and signature in their profile settings.

A lot of people come here primarily looking to make money. The forum administration is very happy that people are able to use the forum in order to better themselves; indeed, one of the reasons for Bitcoin's creation was to break the artificial barriers which prevent so many people around the world from attaining prosperity. However, if your attempts to make money conflict with the forum's primary goal of enabling discussion, then you are swimming upstream, and you will not be sucessful in the end.

If you view the forum as some sort of "job" where you complete some basic tasks and get paid, then you will almost certainly be disappointed, and the forum administration will not be sympathetic. If you do make money using the forum, then it will be through innovation and entrepreneurship, not any sort of mindless busywork.

The forum has a long history and signature was disabled in the past. Back in 2017 and 2018, a spam endemic on the forum and community request together lead to the implementation of merit system (on 24th Jan 2018). About 5 months later (in June 2018), theymos moved further to demote all zero-merit-earned old-era Junior members to Newbies. They only be able to rank up again if earn at least 1 merit.

• Initial merit system
• Enhanced merit sytem

Next, the bump score changes was implemented to reduce effects from spam advertisements. Bump services was destroyed by bump score.

How to disable signature or avatar for your account?

Profile -- Look and Layout Preferences -- Choose one or two following options:

• Don't show users' avatars.
• Don't show users' signatures.

[Sutters Mill]

It would stop signature spam for sure. Not trolls or people shilling their projects.

It will not happen for 3 reasons at least:

• theymos are welcome newbies and would prefer to give people opportunities to earn money here
• The forum has solutions to reduce spam, and effects from spam advertisements, prevent spammers rank up to high positions.
• Members on their sides, can disable both avatar and signature in their profile settings.

1 The owner of this site has mentioned before somewhere that he may remove signature campaigns at some point if they become a problem.
2 Rank doesn't stop people from spamming and any rank can spam. If campaigns accept Juniors or Members getting 1-10 merit isn't hard. There's also a lot of older accounts that ranked up before the system that spam even when they're Hero or Legend.
3 Disabling signatures or avatars doesn't remove the spam. It's still there just without the advertisement which still ruins discussion.

[erikoy]

Not really necessary to remove the signature for this can add forum activity just like it did way back when merit system was no yet implemented. The scammers, fraud people and phishing site are around are the only reason that led to destroy the user's trust in the forum and left. We are already in low numbers of active users base on this live statistics.



As we all know that bounty hunters have great role not only promoting the project but also inviting other people to join here in the forum and explore about cryptocurrency that could interest them and eventually will join especially in investment where mostly projects do rely the source of funds coming from the crowd. This is why I do not consider removing of signature for it is the only way that the forum has been active with. Actually we are heading already to a better forum after the implementation of merit system. If we will going to check the bitcointalk forum livecount created by @BlackHatCoiner in his post I created the Bitcointalk Stats Live Counter then we can see that out of 2.8 M registered users only few are actually online. Maybe some still doing shitposts but probably this is the ideal number of users that are always present wanting to get involve in cryptocurrency here in the forum.

So, I think the spam and shit posts that are still present are from those old users that are now inactive leaving their shits here in the forum. The best suggestion you can make is to remove all the posts from those inactive users and we will going to a bigger improvement in the forum. We can give them enough time to warn them in their inactivity and then deletes their posts if they are no longer active in the forum or it would be much easier delete account.

[tranthidung]

1 The owner of this site has mentioned before somewhere that he may remove signature campaigns at some point if they become a problem.

Here

What are everyone's ideas for improving post quality?

I have mostly ruled out:

- Removing signatures or sig ads globally.
 - Requiring payment to wear sig ads.
 - Banning account sales.

Fortunately, merit system works as theymos and the community expected. Later, the bump changes improve things better.

2 Rank doesn't stop people from spamming and any rank can spam. If campaigns accept Juniors or Members getting 1-10 merit isn't hard. There's also a lot of older accounts that ranked up before the system that spam even when they're Hero or Legend.

Spamming is still there (and can be confirmed when you visit patrol page) but it is improved in non-altcoin boards.

Recent weeks, I've seen some easier merit giveaways and honestly I don't like that but in reality spammers won't be able to go up too high in ranks.

3 Disabling signatures or avatars doesn't remove the spam. It's still there just without the advertisement which still ruins discussion.

As said, spam posts cover some boards and you can personally put those boards in your Ignore preferenced boards. Advertisements don't ruin discussions, spammers do.