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October 06, 2020, 03:29:02 AM
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If you see a post looks lengthy and have good information but at end of it, poster leaves a source to a newsletter article, will you send merit to a poster?

Think:
- Fill up weekly post quota
- Try to copy & paste & source to earn merit
- Does a poster write about own opinion and discussion on the newsletter article?

I think about it after I see that topic and many newsletter article sharing posts were meritted and see another topic If you received a merit ...

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October 06, 2020, 03:47:33 AM
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If it's a mere copy-paste of everything, then no. I'd only probably give out a merit point if the posted at least gave out a good amount of his/her thoughts about the article or topic that's copy-pasted.

Here's a good example(humble brag alert, it was a topic by me Tongue): PSA: Most Stablecoins Can Be Frozen, Even in Your Own Wallets

It was a topic about an article by Eric Wall concerning the risks of stablecoins.

As you can see on my topic, I only copy-pasted a small portion of the article by Eric Wall, and the rest, it was pretty much all my thoughts on the topic. I think this is the right way of doing things rather than just copy-pasting everything(regardless if it the source was listed).

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October 06, 2020, 03:55:08 AM
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In my opinion, it's ok to copy paste an article as long as it was useful, informative and give credits to the real owner/source. Most of the good quality article in the has been flooded by many low quality article. So doing research and searching for it just to share it here was already commendable and deserve a merit. On the attached topic that you mention. The guy is just copy pasting random new article just fill his daily post quota.

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October 06, 2020, 04:16:26 AM
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will you send merit to a poster?
It depends, as said by:@mk4.
If the article has good and useful information, especially for the general public, Merit will definitely....

Think:
- Fill up weekly post quota
That's for sure, what else the member has 100 accounts, in this Forum to spread in the sig campaign, not enough ideas come to mind, super fast alternative articles for weekly payments.

- Try to copy & paste & source to earn merit
That's for sure, a week averages $50, at times 5 or 10 accounts, capitalized on articles and sources.

- Does a poster write about own opinion and discussion on the newsletter article?
habit if opinion topics and posts based on articles from sources.
Basically:
Which makes the topic do not know what the purpose of the article information he posts.
If asked: what is it, how does it work, can you explain a little to us, he replied, you can read and see here, silly isn't it.

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October 06, 2020, 04:34:59 AM
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If you see a post looks lengthy and have good information but at end of it, poster leaves a source to a newsletter article, will you send merit to a poster?
Definitely not, not because he did a trash post or whatsoever but because what he did is not merit worthy. I mean, we can considered it as a copy-paste at the end of the day. The source at the bottom of it only saves him to face consequences base on the rules of this forum. Such posts are helpful but not outstanding as well, it was neutral IMO Smiley

With regards to those who give merits on such kind of posts, it is not our business anymore. Each one of us have different criteria. It's their own choice so all we can do is to respect it. Maybe they just really appreciated the content that's why they gave one.
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October 06, 2020, 05:15:50 AM
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If you see a post looks lengthy and have good information but at end of it, poster leaves a source to a newsletter article, will you send merit to a poster?
Asking if one would send merit may be the wrong question, as merit does not indicate approval of a post, you could rather ask if the community considers that to be healthy practice.
A copy and pasted post should be evident even before the reader gets to the source link. You can use the quote tags or insert it between "..." I personally change the text to italics sometimes to show it's taken from another source as quote tags can make a thread untidy especially when used multiple times.

- Fill up weekly post quota
This is possible and any user who regularly churns out public articles without adding any personal note or comment is trying to do the bearest minimum to complete their quota.

- Try to copy & paste & source to earn merit
Some users may genuinely want to share quality contents with the community, some may be promoting their websites, so it is not always a merit grab attempt. However, such pure articles should be posted in the Press board (if it is notbale enough), which doesn't get much attention or merits these days. Posting outside here may be an attempt to make it count to their weekly quota as some managers do not accept posts made there or the user could be trying to get more attention and a chance of getting merited.

- Does a poster write about own opinion and discussion on the newsletter article?
I definitely think this; if done right, with effort, external articles can be used to create thought provoking discussions.

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October 06, 2020, 07:43:59 AM
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If you see a post looks lengthy and have good information but at end of it, poster leaves a source to a newsletter article, will you send merit to a poster?
In regards to the initial part in your question:
- Length of a post shouldn't be a factor when giving Merits. A post can have only a few words and still contain useful/good information.

To address the question itself:
- Based on the above comments, it appears there's a grey area but personally, I wouldn't consider it a merit worthy post even if it was translated for local boards [unless there's an added value of some sort].
  • By meriting such posts, you're indirectly encouraging them to continue with that behavior and that results in most [not all] of these users using this forum for the wrong reason.

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October 06, 2020, 09:04:54 AM
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If you see a post looks lengthy and have good information but at end of it, poster leaves a source to a newsletter article, will you send merit to a poster?
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I'm not a fan of copy pasted articles even they do did mentioned the source.
Atleast the user that created the topic should made the article much easier to understand.
Sumarize it or he/she outlined the important parts of the article.
Lenghty posts, for me, are boring to read unless I'm interested to the topic and it's body really delivered smoothly and has been tackled very well.

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October 06, 2020, 10:27:54 AM
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I think everyone has some criteria of their own when it comes to merit rewards, so I'm sure there are forum members who will reward such posts, because in some cases it can really be about quality information that is not just for the purpose of meeting the daily/weekly quota of posts. Of course, those who do it constantly and with the intention of shilling some site will not get merit, but they will end up like many others who have gone that way.

What is valued above all on the forum is the original content, and c/p even with the source link, without any personal opinion is something that should not be rewarded in most cases.

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October 08, 2020, 07:15:20 AM
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If you see a post looks lengthy and have good information but at end of it, poster leaves a source to a newsletter article, will you send merit to a poster?
Every users have own perspective on giving off merits. If the discussion opened by OP is interesting and also he has added a useful thought based on the relevant link he shared then of course I could send merits. But if the topic is purely been copied and only incorporate a few ideas ir merely sharing it. Maybe not. I prefer more own discussion topic that has been created by the OP rather than a copy paste link news article.

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October 08, 2020, 07:34:25 AM
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In my opinion, it's ok to copy paste an article as long as it was useful, informative and give credits to the real owner/source. Most of the good quality article in the has been flooded by many low quality article. So doing research and searching for it just to share it here was already commendable and deserve a merit. On the attached topic that you mention. The guy is just copy pasting random new article just fill his daily post quota.

I want to disagree with you. The internet is vast and there are answers for almost any topic out there. And also there is a thread on the forum where it is allowed to post news. There, such posts will be more appropriate.
But basically, those who simply copy-paste the article, without covering their own opinion, are engaged in the elementary stuffing of posts. These can be of different intentions, perhaps a person is counting on getting merits, or he just fills in the quota for his subscription company.
In my opinion, such posts do not deserve special attention. Someone who writes such posts should think about it. It is ridiculous to think that he is the discoverer of an article not written by him with his own hand.

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October 08, 2020, 09:41:21 AM
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Let's get it straight to the point,

If you are bothered OP on rewarding merits then follow this simple advised from the admin that merits will be rewarded to posts that contributed help for the members and the forum itself. If you see a copy and paste posts and it is helpful then why not give merits? The decision is yours to make and no one can decide it for you when you will going to reward the posts with the merits you have. The admin of this forum lets you set your standard in giving the merits. It is all up to you to make a good use of it.

If your standard is high and you see a good posts but is just being copied and paste why give merits? You can reason out that the post was just being copied and paste so I will not give merits. It is very simple and should not bother you. It is just common sense and don't afraid to get bullied by other members here. They are not perfect too to make a good criticism. I had always seeing rude guys in their replies like seeing that they just wanted to dominate here like a Boss. Ignore and do not mind them and consider their critism is same as trash.
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October 10, 2020, 01:23:31 PM
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These can be of different intentions, perhaps a person is counting on getting merits, or he just fills in the quota for his subscription company.

For some reason, this sounds like some telco plan Grin

But I agree that simply posting for Merits or not giving TLDRs is pretty low. Especially those long-ass contents. Who the hell has time to read through while working or on a lunch break?

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October 10, 2020, 02:35:42 PM
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Another creation of a person who regularly creates topics for beginners, copying articles, even if they have links to sources.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5281175.msg55350810#msg55350810

I can't figure out, maybe everyone needs to create similar topics? We will pull out everything from the Internet, from making soup to repairing tractors. The main thing is that there will be links, and this is no longer plagiarism. Is this content helpful?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5278938.msg55283678#msg55283678

Where do we go on such roads? Is there a solution to these things? Do such writers need to be noted in their trust?


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October 10, 2020, 06:59:12 PM
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If you see a post looks lengthy and have good information but at end of it, poster leaves a source to a newsletter article, will you send merit to a poster?

Think:
- Fill up weekly post quota
- Try to copy & paste & source to earn merit
- Does a poster write about own opinion and discussion on the newsletter article?

I think about it after I see that topic and many newsletter article sharing posts were meritted and see another topic If you received a merit ...

I don't know but if something is very useful and well research, or an article that is really hard to find cause it didn't rank in SEO, Ican give one, specially if the OP provided a good insight about the article, or a good question that can start a healthy discussion here in the forum, it deserve one. Cause I wouldn't see that article if he didn't post it here. Forum is also a way for us to discover things that aren't seen in a google search bar. And ranking an article is hard, even thought the article is good, it won't rank right away. So it is really helpful if OP posted it here.

It's just me but I always know if the OP is concerned to educate other users or just here for the merits. It really depends on you if you think it's not helpful or anything. If OP sounds like sharing an article just for the merit. Then I wouldn't give one.

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October 10, 2020, 09:18:52 PM
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I have gone through the links you dropped at the first place, and i saw the complain about the user @bitcoinist, although, not every user is a an original good poster and so they try to cope/join in with their ability of bringing newsletter articles for discussion, therefore such behaviour shouldn't be rewarded with merit and if such user belongs to a campaign, then that user won't be paid but would not be banned as said by yahoo62278
I think if the user wants to continue with this type of behavior he will not be banned by the staff, but he shouldn't be paid for being a person who is putting very little effort into his posts.
If in the case of attaching some helpful personal thought about the article requesting for ideas and opinions, that would definitely be nice and rewarded with merits.


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Personally, with merits, I reward someone’s effort and time invested in writing a post.
In fact, it’s important to me to see that this content can help someone or contribute to the community.
Copying someone else's content does not fit that criterion and I do not reward such content.

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October 11, 2020, 07:02:04 AM
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In fact, it’s important to me to see that this content can help someone or contribute to the community.
Copying someone else's content does not fit that criterion and I do not reward such content.
I agree with your opinion. It is not true to say all shared articles are useless but it is not wrong to say most of posters do this to make noise and hope to get merit.
I think copy and paste is not a problem, they have tried to find information and are willing to share this information with many people. I think it's a good and noble attitude, it is very appropriate to give merit as a sign of gratitude for the information shared.
If you know the forum, know bitcoin, cryptocurrency, you do know how to search and find what you need on Internet.

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Posting regular is desirable as it shows your active and it's quite tempting that most users would want to post at every chance they get but sometimes, they are just out of what to say which makes them copy and paste articles. Sometimes it could be because, they are just so blown off by the contents of the article that they just don't wish to add anything to it and just copy and paste it. Well, the both is plagiarism and adding the source only helps you to evade ban but it doesn't change what you've done or make it better and isn't worthy of receiving merit.
Instead of a direct copy and paste with source, you can consider researching different and recent materials of value on your topic of interest, form it into a topic in your own words and post. Better still, should you get blown of by an article such that, you really don't wish to add to it, make an introduction and explain just a few concept about it as to why you just feel it's worth reviewing and drop the link. That way, I can think of meriting if need be.

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In my opinion, it's ok to copy paste an article as long as it was useful, informative and give credits to the real owner/source. Most of the good quality article in the has been flooded by many low quality article. So doing research and searching for it just to share it here was already commendable and deserve a merit. On the attached topic that you mention.

I disagree, It takes mere minutes to find quality article, copy-paste and add source.

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