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October 10, 2020, 01:09:21 AM
Last edit: December 04, 2020, 02:06:48 PM by Etherass
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Hey, I wanted to talk about a platform called czbitcoin.com. It's a crypto savings account with an option to invest into the trading algorithm and make more % revenue. Right now it's 9.75 Annualy when you leave your crypto just stored and about 4% monthly when you decide to join the trading pool.

There is a LOT of info on the homepage but all is explained in the FAQ. Using a semi assisted Quantum AI for trading and investing into tokens, coins and DEFI (this is new) it generates profit that is not quite "stable" but as you can lock the balance for 1+ months it create a longer term opportunity to "guarantee" profit. Also it converts into USD value upon locking so you not losing money as you get that back + profit in USDT and YOU choose to what coin to convert it using our internal exchange.

Of course for people that just want that hodl mindset there is still the yearly interest that for the year 2020 made 27x more than bank interest.

Deposits and withdraws are "instant" after 3 confirmations so complete transparency if you want to withdraw all the profit right away, no lock up at all.

Ask in the comments and share your feedback on how you like the platform
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October 10, 2020, 01:35:36 AM
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Lock right away or you will lose your clean account.

This is a ponzi - see my signature. 

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October 10, 2020, 01:44:41 AM
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Definitely not, no affiliate, no referral and no commissions, this is not the land of dreams. And if people that registered after the first registered people withdraw, then IF this would be a ponzi the later investors get less? Not at all, you lock the investment period, it get's on the smart contracts for DEX and on trading and you can withdraw in the first month or the first year, it's online since 2018. Completely up to you when you want to invest, lock, withdraw etc.

The % interest changes automatically based on real profit of the algorithm and trades. No offering of free bonuses, no % from first deposit, this is no free value generation, all based on actual numbers, no made up money.

Thanks for your opinion anyway!
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October 10, 2020, 01:49:22 AM
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Automation can make Ponzis look very legitimate.  :/

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October 10, 2020, 02:20:56 AM
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Bitcoin is POW not POS where you can earn dividend/passive income by staking.

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Risk-free. Earn high interest on your crypto deposit

There's no way to generate passive income trough Bitcoin except lending or invest in casino bankroll and both of them still have a risk. Sending my coin in brand new unknown project while I don't have full control of my coin, it's risk-free?

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October 10, 2020, 05:22:39 AM
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it's online since 2018.
Indeed but it was a "freelancing platform [SS of CZBitcoin on Aug 31, 2018]" instead of an investment platform.

This is how it looks in action, pardon my lame video skills:

https://www.loom.com/share/4da2aa270cbf4c08a28a10522c291ccb
Something isn't right there...

  • Even though the number under "Generating Profit" is increasing, it has no effect on "Total Profit" Roll Eyes
    - At the beginning
    - At the end
  • USD/BTC conversion for "total profit" is wrong.

On your so-called "investment platform", you have a dedicated section with the title "media about czbitcoin + a lot of listed websites" and none of them have any links. I wonder why?! Roll Eyes

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October 10, 2020, 11:19:16 AM
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Bitcoin is POW not POS where you can earn dividend/passive income by staking.

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Risk-free. Earn high interest on your crypto deposit

There's no way to generate passive income trough Bitcoin except lending or invest in casino bankroll and both of them still have a risk. Sending my coin in brand new unknown project while I don't have full control of my coin, it's risk-free?

Yes it's converted to tokens and currencies that are likely to perform well, bitcoin trading is not profitable in short terms. It's online since 2018.
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October 10, 2020, 11:22:13 AM
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it's online since 2018.
Indeed but it was a "freelancing platform [SS of CZBitcoin on Aug 31, 2018]" instead of an investment platform.

This is how it looks in action, pardon my lame video skills:

https://www.loom.com/share/4da2aa270cbf4c08a28a10522c291ccb
Something isn't right there...

  • Even though the number under "Generating Profit" is increasing, it has no effect on "Total Profit" Roll Eyes
    - At the beginning
    - At the end
  • USD/BTC conversion for "total profit" is wrong.

On your so-called "investment platform", you have a dedicated section with the title "media about czbitcoin + a lot of listed websites" and none of them have any links. I wonder why?! Roll Eyes


Yes, Total Profit is after the investment is closed. Great mention, that should be in the FAQ. Active profit is what is generated in real time and total profit is after investments are finished.

Media about DEFI is the section as well.

Great feedback, thank you, not sure why this topic got moved to Investment games, but okay
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October 10, 2020, 11:30:25 AM
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it's online since 2018.
Indeed but it was a "freelancing platform [SS of CZBitcoin on Aug 31, 2018]" instead of an investment platform.

This is how it looks in action, pardon my lame video skills:

https://www.loom.com/share/4da2aa270cbf4c08a28a10522c291ccb
Something isn't right there...

  • Even though the number under "Generating Profit" is increasing, it has no effect on "Total Profit" Roll Eyes
    - At the beginning
    - At the end
  • USD/BTC conversion for "total profit" is wrong.

On your so-called "investment platform", you have a dedicated section with the title "media about czbitcoin + a lot of listed websites" and none of them have any links. I wonder why?! Roll Eyes


The conversion was a bug on my screen btw, it's around $98 after I reloaded yesterday but forgot to make the video again.

Also it's not a conversion, it locks USD value when investment is created because our algorithm can then provide value that is easy to read and display, it's just easier. So, you get USD to BTC back when the investment is over. So the USD and BTC you get are based on the exact rate and time of the investment end.
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October 10, 2020, 01:17:27 PM
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Kinda unusual that a domain older than 2,000 days still hardly has any presence on Google SERP. Looks fishy...

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October 10, 2020, 01:33:42 PM
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Yeah when you don't offer 1000% deposit bonus in banner ads then yes, it takes time to grow a legitimate project these days.
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October 10, 2020, 09:01:44 PM
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Kinda unusual that a domain older than 2,000 days still hardly has any presence on Google SERP. Looks fishy...

I've seen this before, they just buy a domain from a reseller that has history, and when you do whois lookup, it looks "less suspicious".
Usually those "can you please get my money from an exchange, i'm chineese" scams operate in this way.
By all accounts, exchange is there, simulates traffic and volume, exists for years (according to whois) but when you google it, you get nothing, no reviews or anything relevant
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October 11, 2020, 12:55:21 PM
Last edit: November 03, 2020, 09:39:33 PM by Etherass
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Except we have forum posts about czbitcoin, social media, 2 years of history and 3000+ people investing. Other than that we are brand new
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October 14, 2020, 12:34:19 AM
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Automation can make Ponzis look very legitimate.  :/

What a stupid thing to say.  This is either generating returns from legitimate activity, like NastyFans does with mining, fundraisers, etc. or it is using funds from selling new Ponzi shares to pay Ponzi recipients like Pirate did with the original Bitcoin Savings program.  If you don't know where the funds are being generated, like how Pirate kept things a secret, you are taking a risk.  

Too many idiots scream Ponzi without knowing what they're talking about.  Vod being guilty of this financial illiteracy more than most.

It's very easy to dispute the Ponzi claim.  Where are the funds coming from to pay interest to these users?  The claim is that it's using some sort of trading algorithm.  If this is true, then it isn't a Ponzi, it is just a very stupid business model that relies on making money from free markets which is not only extremely risky, but obviously not going to provide a steady stream of returns or any guaranteed revenue.  

So this is either a Ponzi scam and the OP is lying about the revenue source, or it's a risky operation that wants other people to bankroll it so OP can profit with no risk.  I won't speculate on which it is, but I will only say that Vod can't say which it is with any certainty either.  Given that Vod has a history of making false claims, I would recommend OP prove the revenue source to shut Vod up and be honest with people that there is no guaranteed returns here, and they're taking a massive risk with their funds.

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November 03, 2020, 09:42:48 PM
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Hey!

Thanks for the VOD response, wouldn't say it better myself.

We just rolled out a V2 Brand redesign with "Exodus" like features. Check it out:

- More than 6 cryptocurrencies to receive interest in, all with different interest % based on real time AI performance
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We got a customer service live chat so you can ask about anything AND $1 USD deposit minimum because we were receiving request to lower it so people on forums can try it out. THIS IS LIMITED TIME so try it out with a low deposit and if somebody doesn't have $1 in BTC then don't make me laugh.
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November 12, 2020, 12:56:56 PM
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I have some questions

1 - on your website it has this:



these stars indicate that they are reviews made on trustpilot.com but I went to trustpilot.com and there is no review on your site as you can see:



https://www.trustpilot.com/review/czbitcoin.com

2 - this is a big exaggeration:



do you have how to record a video for people to see your AI in action?

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November 12, 2020, 02:17:41 PM
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Thanks for the VOD response, wouldn't say it better myself.

So since you couldn't say it better, can you do something in order to prove your revenue source or you miss that part from OgNasty's response?

I would recommend OP prove the revenue source to shut Vod up and be honest with people that there is no guaranteed returns here, and they're taking a massive risk with their funds.

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December 01, 2020, 10:17:02 PM
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I have some questions

1 - on your website it has this:

https://czbitcoin.com/reviews/1.png

these stars indicate that they are reviews made on trustpilot.com but I went to trustpilot.com and there is no review on your site as you can see:

https://i.imgur.com/DfE7fWg.png

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/czbitcoin.com

2 - this is a big exaggeration:

https://i.imgur.com/or18f6v.png

do you have how to record a video for people to see your AI in action?

1) It's our internal review widget for people that deposit and finished a 1/3/6 month investment. As you guys probably didn't do that, of course you don't know where the reviews come from.... again made me laught as I stated above who doesn't have $1 to try it out is just not worth an asnwer.

2) No it's not
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December 01, 2020, 10:20:25 PM
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Thanks for the VOD response, wouldn't say it better myself.

So since you couldn't say it better, can you do something in order to prove your revenue source or you miss that part from OgNasty's response?

I would recommend OP prove the revenue source to shut Vod up and be honest with people that there is no guaranteed returns here, and they're taking a massive risk with their funds.

All written on our site, in FAQ and details. Again seems like people here just for the chat, nobody takes the time to try it, trust it, review it from the above responses. We are recieving great feedback from other channels so I am just not gonna attend this one anymore.
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December 01, 2020, 10:21:09 PM
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We just launched an internal exchange where you can trade and swap your currencies as well as decide what to earn interest in.
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