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[LoyceV]

repeated personal attacks against several members, me inculding, also for desturbing the threads repeatedly with off-topics

This forum is all about freedom. You have the freedom to do basically anything you want, within the limits of the Unofficial forum rules. If a post is off-topic, click "Report to moderator" and type "off-topic".
Personal attacks are allowed! If you don't like someone, click Ignore.

unbelievable, but true, for selling assault rifles, guns and ammunition. Independent from a legal evaluation of the question, if it's legal to sell weapons and ammunition online to undefined destinations, especially in times of international terrorism, I'm of the opinion that the marketplace on Bitcointalk was not dedicated for selling such things.

I've seen guns being sold on Bitcointalk. It's legal in some countries, and as long as both seller and buyer are following the law, it's allowed on Bitcointalk.

I'm of the opinion that Satoshi Nakamoto's forum was not created to abuse it repeatedly over a period of four years for the advertisement of an irrelevant exchange in countless threads.

I'm pretty sure he didn't create Bitcoin to facility scam emails either, but it happens nonetheless. Even scamming is not against Bitcointalk forum rules. Freedom prevails! And although I just typed this myself, Google gives a great quote with it: Brian S. Wesbury: “When freedom prevails, the ingenuity and inventiveness of people creates incredible wealth. This is the source of the natural improvement of the human condition.”. I don't think Satoshi created Bitcoin to judge people.

he took a known fake address as company's address

Again: this is not against Bitcointalk forum rules, and thus not a reason to get banned.

To protect this forum and its members from further abuse and to deter the general public from such massive abuse I request for the permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins!

Protecting this forum and it's members is handled through DefaultTrust, not by banning users. BayAreaCoins is currently on DT2 (strength 0). One more DT1-exclusion or one less DT1-inclusion will remove him from DT2.
If anything, you'll have a better chance in Reputation than in Meta.

[LoyceV]

The forum rules are clear: No off topic and no personal attacks.

The former is correct, the latter isn't:

2. No off-topic posts.

8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats.

Personal attacks, unfriendly behaviour and calling names is all part of the freedom (of speech) this forum offers. I'm not saying I like it, but I like the freedom, and I don't know any other forum as free as Bitcointalk.

About weapon deals going on at Bitcointalk you don't really want to call this normal!?

It doesn't matter what I think about it. I'm not selling guns, I'm not buying them, and I don't live in a country where it's allowed anyway.

Even if BayAreaCoins would promise to act only within the law: Nobody can control this. A crypto forum is definitely not the place for selling weapons!

I disagree. This forum can be used to sell anything that's legal.

This is normally going on in the darknet!

If you have evidence illegal items are being sold, you can use the "Report to moderator" link. I often do that when for instance bank accounts are being sold, and those topics (usually created by Newbies) get removed.

Response to your edit:

1. Free speech - you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed.

This doesn't mean the user gets banned. And I don't think swearing is actively removed nowadays, see for instance Poetry, by TMAN.

[suchmoon]

Sorry, I won't discuss any longer about those basics, if "Kill yourself", "You're retarded" and "What a fucking loser weirdo" would be within the forum rules. As linked above the rules say you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Further someone created a whole Bitcointalk forum etiquette. Ban and delete are the only appropriate actions in those cases as the here reported one, not to talk again about the repeated abuse in advertising an unregistered exchange over 45 threads and a time period of four years. If this is gonna be normal then the trolls will take over the forum and we can say goodbye here!

You're approaching this from a weird angle. If the post contains only "Kill yourself" - it's zero value post and can be removed as such. If there are 45 threads about the same thing - report them as duplicates.

However if "kill yourself" appeared in an otherwise acceptable post, or if the 45 threads are not duplicates (e.g. theymos also runs weekly ad auctions - perfectly fine) you won't get them removed.

[suchmoon]

Got it! Just write a few other additional lines and within this package you are allowed to insult people without limits! I got it! So why not defining this exactly so in the forum rules? And spamming the forum with countless advertising threads for one single failed exchange shall be ok as well, I would define this then in the forum rules as well! Well, I'm getting more and more to the conclusion, that Bitcointalk is really a scammers' and trolls' paradies, just take a look at this thread. The "kill yourself"-affected user SinbadGuthrie left already the forum and deleted all his postings. The affected user midnightmagic, complaining about "years-long criminal harassment", has also left the forum, other members have left the forum as well, just take a look at the negative feedbacks, and further members will follow, if nothing happens! As I stated already in another thread, I will shortly write public reviews about this forum, and for sure I won't waste my time here any longer, if the things are going ahead like this! I've absolutely no problem with it!

If getting insulted is unacceptable to you then yes, this forum is definitely not for you. OTOH, you're free to call other users scammers and trolls and you're making full use of that freedom so it doesn't look like you're really against it when it suits you.

Don't let the proverbial door hit you on your way out.

[BayAreaCoins]

I hate that I'm responding to this third world extortionist... I "picked up" this user after pulling them off the Namecoin developers balls (accusing the Namecoin devs of freaking tax bullshit for their $10 in donations they have received for years of work... lol   ).

I have very thick skin, I want FreeBitcoins to be set up so well that even the evilest fucks can't hold something over our heads and honestly, I need as much marketing help as possible anyways.... so fuck it, lets do it.

First off:

The forum "rules" can lick my butthole... both official and unofficial of course.  

I don't care about any DT or anything like that.  That isn't why I try to do good business for everyone.

I'm doing my own thing and I don't mind getting banned.  I don't want to be anywhere I'm not wanted anyways.  I can relocated as needed, but I'm very happy with the little group of folks here on Bitcointalk.  I get banned allllllll the time places!  Reddit especially  

Even extortionist fucks, such as yourself, add value.  Did you know that we normally pay hundreds of dollars for an "honest" review (backlinks "help" SEO I guess):  https://coincodex.com/review/9324/freebitcoinscom-xchange-review-peer-to-peer-no-kyc-crypto-trading-platform/

Second off:

The address is real.  It's a very common thing for companies in our situation to use a registered agent and mail forwarding office.  Here is the company that we have used thus far:  https://www.delawareregisteredagent.com/

You can see a similar concern of mine in regards to Coinbase office & Charlie Lee's response + more...  In hidesite, I understand more than I did at the time of making those posts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938514.msg10282322#msg10282322

Sadly, I don't know if we are going to be able to stay in America even without messing with USD or anything that attempts to represent itself as USD... It's incredibly complicated and we are incredibly poor, but we want to do everything "right" to protect people that use our site from some of the gross/dangerous requirements that come along with fiat thus far.

The best way to not be involved with Money Laundering is not to fuck with money.  We are NOT a money business service.  We miss a ton of profit by not being a money business service.  I don't want to compete or be in the same industry as my friendly bank.  We are completely different businesses and we pray people can see that.

Third off:

Midnightmagic is still a Bitcointalker... he was just logged in 5 days ago.  

Stop acting like you weren't that Gutherie sockpuppet account lol!!!! Freaking weirdo!  I'm glad to see you're about to follow your sockpuppet account and might "leave this forum" ... I'm sure you'll be back on a different "Scam Buster" name.  

On your next account... Just try to extort some losers that are operating a flat out Ponzi or ICO trash rather than someone that's been here working hard to color within some fairly delicate lines for a long time.

Fourth and final:



And selling guns is absolutely legal + protected by my countries constitution.

Kill yourself.    

[The Sceptical Chymist]

There's no reference link for midnightmagic's feedback below, so to me that's just some accusation being hurled against BAC with nothing to back it up.  And what is this about a complaint with the SEC?

Well, I think the forum users just need to take a look at the trust ratings of BayAreaCoins alias Steven Steiner, comment of midnightmagic: "This level of years-long criminal harassment is obviously not a safe trader." Also complaints in front of the United States Securities and Exchange Commission are mentioned there. I'm of the opinion that the community has to be protected from such toxic users. Several warnings got ignored and triggered him to troll around even more. Therefore and due to repeated abusive behavior in several threads he gonna face now consequences, out of this forum as well.

I'll be back!

The address is real.  It's a very common thing for companies in our situation to use a registered agent and mail forwarding office.  Here is the company that we have used thus far:  https://www.delawareregisteredagent.com/

OP must not be aware of how many publicly traded corporations are registered in Delaware, and the address is usually in a file cabinet on floor 79 of some building in some city in the state of Delaware.  There's nothing strange, odd, or nefarious about that--though to someone who's ignorant about the advantages of incorporating your business in DE it might look that way.

I've been kinda-sorta helping BAC promote FreeBitcoins.com with some stickering.  If I thought or had evidence that he was doing anything illegal, I'd drop him like a flaming potato--but I don't.

[BayAreaCoins]

But I'm coming more and more to the conclusion, that I'm the bad guy here and in the end I have to apologize to BayAreaCoins

 

That would be very mature/grown-up of you though and I would be mildly impressed tbh.

Feel free to apologize... I'm ready!

I've been kinda-sorta helping BAC promote FreeBitcoins.com with some stickering.  If I thought or had evidence that he was doing anything illegal, I'd drop him like a flaming potato--but I don't.

I appreciate that more than you could know. *air hug*

[suchmoon]

I'm the bad guy here and in the end I have to apologize to BayAreaCoins, this was it what you wanted to say?

No. I mean if you want to - go ahead. No one really gives much of a shit.

Same goes for your tweet. You can't even afford to buy fake followers? Sad.

[TGD]

Just report it to the mods and let them decide whether the post is acceptable or not for banning a user rather than create a separate thread for discussion about this matter. In the end the moderator is the one who will decide about this issue no matter how much you explain your side here. You can see tons of those slang curse words here in the forum but sometimes, that's just an expression same as street talk men.

Maybe you are just angry because he attack the project that you are supporting that's why you are using his against him.

[BayAreaCoins]

If it's going ahead like this I'm gonna do this in the end, it's just an email.

More "if this, then that" extortionist trash.

[suchmoon]

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I thought you were leaving. Oh right, no one reads your tweets. Here you have an audience no matter how stupid your posts are. See, Bitcointalk is good for something.

[BayAreaCoins]

1.  There are no Colts in this picture.

2.  That is a box of a 1000 rounds of .223 green-tipped (armor piercing) ammo... Not .45ACP.  (https://opticsandammo.com/product/20-round-box-5-56-pmc-x-tac-m855-62-grain-green-tip-fmj-556k-lap-ammo/)

Your posts are so painfully wrong... that it's very hard to address all of it.  

Now you aren't just attacking me, but you're attempting to attacking a whole forum & community that is completely uninvolved.   mmmk

[BayAreaCoins]

Thanks for sharing!

You're welcome.

I know it's a Glock 17 without reading your weapon sales threads, but the general public knows better a Colt what is a synonym for all handguns. Also for the thousands rounds of ammunition and your caliber .45 I provided enough links and evidence. BTW, I can only laugh about your little toys there. You never had real firearms in your hand! Once you handled machine guns or 50 BMG for the very first time let us know!  

I can assure you that I don't sell "fake" firearms.  

If you want a machine gun (fully automatic and/or burst) or a 50 BMG and you have the coins... hollar at me and I'd be happy to help try to make that happen. (legally)

Why don't you come try FreeBitcoins.com and THEN rain on my parade?!  It might be fucking horrible and you have a legit bitch, but.... you might like it....  regardless you can bitch directly at me in our public chatbox too!

We done here?  

[BayAreaCoins]

But thanks for letting the public know that you're still dealing with weapons in commercial dimensions! Shall I ask the Arkansas State Police if all this is happening in a legal way?

Go for it fucktard... lol!  rofl

I have just started to notify the public about what's going on here, and I'm doing this just from time to time for relaxing. For being done here you would need to come up with something, e.g. a Bitcoin payment for repeated personal attacks, for false sock puppet accusations (mods could easily verify it over the logs) and for abusing the feedback sections just for satisfying your ego. I don't think so that there will come anything in this direction.

Fixed it for you.

Silly extortionist.  You're quite clearly the one personally attacking people...   lol

Anyways, you should go see if you can eat a few big bottles of Tylenol in under an hour.  Good luck.

[BayAreaCoins]

q.e.d.

More like F.A.G.   

[BayAreaCoins]

Well, I'm sure the worldwide authorities and especially the .org TLD registry will be interested about ongoing unregulated weapon deals here on Bitcointalk what is normally stuff for the darknet. This was not a warning. This was an announcement.

I'll be back!

Omggggg nooooooooooooooooooooooo!! Don't take Bitcointalk from me... I'm meltingggggggggggggg!



Talk to you later Kip Drordy.

[suchmoon]

Well, I'm sure the worldwide authorities and especially the .org TLD registry will be interested about ongoing unregulated weapon deals here on Bitcointalk what is normally stuff for the darknet. This was not a warning. This was an announcement.

I'll be back!

Don't forget to report twitter.com too because you advertised BAC's gun sale thread there. If you can get twitter off the internet - that'd be fantastic. Thanks in advance.

[BayAreaCoins]

I would say, the (shooting-)game is now over, BayAreaCoins! I'm soooo sorrrrrryyyyy!

  I've never broken a single gun law except for maybe one time when I was arrested as a minor with a handgun for doing a driveby on a turtle... (front page of the paper, I'll give you $20 if you can find that lol)

That is why it's cool on Bitcointalk... because it's legal.  Idk if you like it or not and I guess you're free to try to extort me, but I'm not even remotely worried about you or your empty ass stupid posts.

"Unfortunately" Steven Steiner alias BayAreaCoins has to give back his Federal Firearm License now together with all of his toys

I do not have and am not required to have an FFL.  As you said, they are my toys...  

because with his continuous cyber harassment he has proven to be mentally not worth of keeping it.

It should be noted you're the one harassing me and other developers.  

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was very interested in my report.

Color me impressed, the ATF got back to you same day AND on a Saturday?!  

I've never even got a call back from voicemails I've left during normal business hours (Mind you that I understand that I'm just a little piss ant nobody)...  Arkansas police are pretty decent about answering questions though in a timely fashion.  Local FFL's are really awesome too.

BTW, it doesn’t have a local Arkansas FFL, at least according to puplicly available infos.

Idk what you're trying to say.  

I do use FFL's.  It's just easier and such.

I would say, the (shooting-)game is now over, BayAreaCoins! I'm soooo sorrrrrryyyyy!

First, you're taking Bitcointalk.org and now you're taking the Second Amendment... my god, at least you aim high!

Why don't you spend your time trying to take pedophiles off the street or something even remotely productive?

[BayAreaCoins]

Anyways, I don't see much more reason to respond to you.

I think you're beyond full of shit and just a problem starter... if I ignore you, you'll find someone else that is interested in having a problem with you.

I encourage you to find something better to do with your short amount of time.

I'm going to add you back to my ignore list and I'm just going to navigating my own shit.