Abusing The Bitcointalk Trust System For Personal And Selfish Interests

[Shef198911]

I turned a lot of blind eyes to past companies such as 1strade carbon and others, but with the appearance of king casino and the phrase "we guarantee payment", I did not remain silent as usual, in the telegram I asked how they would behave about the payments that I guaranteed, in response I first received "why are they, they still don't cost anything" but after I asked them to pay what they themselves promised, I started hearing offensive things in my address "TA you are not normal" "TA leave him alone, he is not normal" " TA he ... Mishandled" and the like, when in response to still write "pay what you promised, or it can be considered fraud on your part, and because of this, your trust may be affected, and personally I'd paint that everyone knew" what I heard the answer, "go paint, you generally will not receive any rewards if not painted, and will exclude from other companies, if it does not" and blocked in telegrams, I certainly apologize, but I had as a participant listening to all this because I was asked to perform the words that are given? и втopoe, я вaм в тeлeгpaмм oтвeчao вчepa пpичинy пo кoтopoй я этo cдeлaл, a вы мeня ceoвa oбвиняeтe в тoм чтo я мoгy быть кaким тo зacлaнным?

[BayAngelo]

The bounty detective Group does not own anyone an apologies IF projects failed to deliver. As long as measures were taking to make sure that those projects were trusted and appeared positive. the bounty activities here is Not a must. it is a choice and hunters are also advised to to DO THEIR OWN Research on projects here.

this said, we can not forget the FACT that there are projects that conducted successful ICOs and collected investors funds and DISSAPPEAR WITHOUT ANY TRACE. leaving investors with nothing.

Also, we know that the bitcointalk forum is a solid community that fight against scam and empty projects that intends to rob people their funds and also serves as a platform that educates users on blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies. One of their mantra here is that Users should endeavor to do research for any project they tends to invest on.
same is applicable to anyone trying to join a bounty campaign to make choice before participating. bounty detectives are trying on their own to provide authentic projects and they doing their best.

Kindly give them maximum support to do more.  

[dimao]

I like the technical support "bounty detective" several times went to the meeting and helped me

[Shef198911]

In my case, I would like to hear an apology from the detective himself, for rude, disrespectful communication in my direction because of a simple request, in this case I will change the trust to neutral, leave as a note for others

[Jawhead999]

8. The bounty manager and the project team reserve the right to make changes to the conditions at any time

Scam is a common nature in bounty section and since you're already wrote this rules before join a campaign... Every bounty hunters know if both manager and team can make any change about it. You must ready faced any conditions changed, even a worse one (e.g. Submit KYC, turn to a scam project, long payment, half payment etc)

So you need to blame the person who change the rules (this time is the project team) and not the Bountu manager.

[Emilyearl]

Bitcointalk admins should look into the case and resolve it amicably
so far bounty Detective has had good record when compared to other managers

[BountyDetective]

In my case, I would like to hear an apology from the detective himself, for rude, disrespectful communication in my direction because of a simple request, in this case I will change the trust to neutral, leave as a note for others

No one will apologize to you. We did not open this topic to beg anyone to remove untrusted feedbacks or comments. We are sure of our honesty and transparency. Already you confess, you gave negative trust not because we are untrustworthy, only because one of our admins talked rudely with you.

This means you are abusing Bitcointalk's negative feedback opportunity.

Please note that none of the Bounty Detective managers will talk to anyone rude unless they use bad words, insults, or talks roughly first. Many people know about our team's kindness and helpfulness.

[Aivaryamal]

Managers of this community today are among the best and always if there are any controversial issues or difficulties, they meet the users halfway, so I think the negative in their direction is not entirely justified, since it is very difficult to find decent and fair managers in this direction.

[Shef198911]

I turned a lot of blind eyes to past companies such as 1strade carbon and others, but with the appearance of king casino and the phrase "we guarantee payment", I did not remain silent as usual, in the telegram I asked how they would behave about the payments that I guaranteed, in response I first received "why are they, they still don't cost anything" but after I asked them to pay what they themselves promised, I started hearing offensive things in my address "TA you are not normal" "TA leave him alone, he is not normal" " TA he ... Mishandled" and the like, when in response to still write "pay what you promised, or it can be considered fraud on your part, and because of this, your trust may be affected, and personally I'd paint that everyone knew" what I heard the answer, "go paint, you generally will not receive any rewards if not painted, and will exclude from other companies, if it does not" and blocked in telegrams, I certainly apologize, but I had as a participant listening to all this because I was asked to perform the words that are given? и втopoe, я вaм в тeлeгpaмм oтвeчao вчepa пpичинy пo кoтopoй я этo cдeлaл, a вы мeня ceoвa oбвиняeтe в тoм чтo я мoгy быть кaким тo зacлaнным?

You can't even understand a simple sentence. I really don't know how you achieved selling merits. Kingcasino rewards were not distributed because it has no value, what are you going to do those tokens? No one demanded those tokens except you. If you die for those shit tokens I can give you 100K of them.

My note in trust has no meaning in this conversation, about. King casino tokens is a matter of principle, even if it does not bring any benefit, I would be sure that you fulfill your promises, you told me in that conversation that you said "you said what to paint, anyway, as you said, or you won't get any awards at all" I kept my words, and from your side for me it looks like just an advertising move to attract people

[BountyDetective]

well you have said it all, and i sympathized with you coupled with the pressure which people are giving you presently as much as i know you have ran many successful project even they got listed in CMC and other reputable trading platform. so i m one of your supporter who love doing your projects. one thing in life is that you most have a competitor in the industry so you have to stand firm to beat all other people as they are trying to bring you down knowing that you have gain alot of ground in the industry so don't panic as we your supporters knows your credibility, capability and integrity so keep doing your job and push harder without looking at the physical challenges.
Believe on your hustle and trust your creator who gave you such wonderful opportunity to be among of the living irrespective of the world turbulence yet you still succeed.

thank you sir
Love you.

Best regards

Telegram @Christabel247

Thank you for your support,

We will not relent nor stop giving the best of services to our community and clients. We will not be subdued by the hatred nor slanders of people who see our honesty and transparency but refuse to admit. We will try in our capacity to be cautious as always with such projects as Clipx. Even though there are many uncertainties in the crypto space, we will remain honest and fair in our words and actions. Thank you 😊

[MainIbem]

I have sent PM to: @xenon131, to review this thread.

If, @xenon131 responds to my PM and wants to say something here about trust, maybe your problem is solved, just wait for @xenon131 to come here, hopefully it goes well and is resolved well.

This is the best way to resolve this problem. It is to get @xenon131 to reason from your perspective and remove the negative trust rating. As for trust, I have done a campaign with Bounty Detective. I was introduced to Bounty Detective by a friend in this forum who spoke well of them. The campaign is one of the awaiting distribution. I think they are honest.

[Mpamaegbu]

I have sent PM to: @xenon131, to review this thread.

Because I didn't participate in the bounty campaign managed by: @BountyDetective, so I don't know the initial problem, about the trust given to @BountyDetective by:@xenon131.

It seems that in your case the OP should involve:@ Mpamaegbu, Because I saw @ xenon131, gave red credentials based on this topic: ClipX steals KYC data and shuts down

If, @xenon131 responds to my PM and wants to say something here about trust, maybe your problem is solved, just wait for @xenon131 to come here, hopefully it goes well and is resolved well.

That's right. I actually started that thread on ClipX because of the shabby way the project team treated bounty hunters of which I was one. My anger was fueled because the ClipX team knew they weren't continuing with the project but they insisted that hunters passed a KYC with them. However, I didn't agree with @xenon131 for tagging Bounty Detective and I said it in clear terms in this comment 👇because I felt it was a bit harsh as BD might even have incurred some losses themselves too running that bounty.

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I wish me has encountered his bounty topic a month earlier. To left in the lurch the bunch of bitcointalk users ... hm, it  does no credit to  the manager somehow related to the project. I have tagged him today.

Well, honestly I don't think the BM deserved to be tagged for that (at least not now, except we can prove a case that BD is a part of the ClipX team). Otherwise, tagging BD is for me too harsh a decision. From BD's claim, said to have argued it out with the ClipX team to drop the idea of a KYC. It's also a loss for them. I think BD also innocently fell prey to ClipX too. However, I believe it should've stood its ground and warned hunters not to go ahead with the KYC

Nevertheless, I opened that thread so that innocent participants can be brought to the knowledge of what dangers lie in exposing their private data to bounty projects and also of what a scam the ClipX team turned into. Nobody should expose their passports, no matter how enticing the bounty seems. As hunters, we should avoid any bounty that demands a KYC that is more that a validation of email addresses.

If I felt the fault was entirely that of BD, perhaps I would've tagged them at once when I made that post. Well, I hope xenon131 sees reason to reconsider on this and resolve it.

[BountyDetective]

I have sent PM to: @xenon131, to review this thread.

Because I didn't participate in the bounty campaign managed by: @BountyDetective, so I don't know the initial problem, about the trust given to @BountyDetective by:@xenon131.

It seems that in your case the OP should involve:@ Mpamaegbu, Because I saw @ xenon131, gave red credentials based on this topic: ClipX steals KYC data and shuts down

If, @xenon131 responds to my PM and wants to say something here about trust, maybe your problem is solved, just wait for @xenon131 to come here, hopefully it goes well and is resolved well.

Hello Yoshie, thank you for your answer.

Actually, we don't think he has reasonable answers to the eight questions we asked him. We shared everything with tens of proofs. As you also can see, most of the people on this thread support us. In addition, there are several extra supports on our Telegram group t.me/bountydetective

Furthermore, this thread about us will be extra proof of our honesty and legitimacy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5239677.0

If we were untrustworthy, the majority of people would not support our platform.

We have counted 11 proofs about we never left in the lurch the bunch our followers. What can he count except a ridiculous thread opened about a project, which is inconsistent?

ClipX was not a scam project. It was a shut-down project. Even if we suppose it a scam project, is it proof of the bounty manager's untrustworthy?

We have proven our success ratio is above %80 for all of the bounties we have managed. The question is, how much percentage should it be? We know tens of bounty managers whose managed projects' success ratio is below %50.  Should Xenon flag all of those bounty managers as untrustworthy? Business always has risk, and bounty management is also a business.

He praised us another bounty manager, which we don't want to say his name. However, when we check that bounty manager's profile, there are tens of scam accusations about him. Why did not the "trustworthy" Xenon give him a negative trust too? These kinds of people should not have DT. They use it as a weapon, not for dispensing justice.

As we said before, we did not open this thread to beg for the negative trust to be removed. We want this slanderer and racist person to be punished and discredited. These kinds of people are enormous trouble and trust loss for the industry.

Kind Regards.

[Hmahadi]

I joined few bounty.. bounty detective best group in the online works group.  Bounty detective all reward paid 100% .I liked thish group. I almost try to joining all bounty

[suchmoon]

BountyDetective, I don't think all those shills here are helping your case, nor is the massive amount of fallacious reasoning you're trying to drown us in. It doesn't matter that you didn't steal $200k or whatever it was. The only thing that matters is if xenon131's trust rating is factual and if it shows that you're high-risk to deal with. For example if you deflect responsibility for bounty participants not getting paid then it could be considered high-risk. This doesn't help either:

If you die for those shit tokens I can give you 100K of them.

Not exactly trust-inspiring attitude.

[BountyDetective]

BountyDetective, I don't think all those shills here are helping your case, nor is the massive amount of fallacious reasoning you're trying to drown us in. It doesn't matter that you didn't steal $200k or whatever it was. The only thing that matters is if xenon131's trust rating is factual and if it shows that you're high-risk to deal with. For example if you deflect responsibility for bounty participants not getting paid then it could be considered high-risk. This doesn't help either:

If you die for those shit tokens I can give you 100K of them.

Not exactly trust-inspiring attitude.

If we have other participants say to us they need their KCT rewards, we can send out their tokens. It's not an issue. We already spent more than 7 ETH for only ARX bounty distribution's transaction costs from our pocket. If you are not moved by the facts that; the tokens are without value, coupled with increased eth gas fees, we don't mind distributing KCT tokens participants who say they want their rewards. Except him, no one demanded those tokens and we several times asked ETH wallet from that guy to distribute his KCT reward but he did not provide it. Because his problem is different, not getting KCT tokens. And yes KCT tokens is shit tokens, because there is not project anymore.

[suchmoon]

And yes KCT tokens is shit tokens, because there is not project anymore.

Is that what you said when you hired bounty participants? I have a feeling you didn't exactly say "these are worthless shit tokens and you will not get paid, please work for free". Do you see how that could be a bit of a problem?

[BountyDetective]

I have sent PM to: @xenon131, to review this thread.

Because I didn't participate in the bounty campaign managed by: @BountyDetective, so I don't know the initial problem, about the trust given to @BountyDetective by:@xenon131.

It seems that in your case the OP should involve:@ Mpamaegbu, Because I saw @ xenon131, gave red credentials based on this topic: ClipX steals KYC data and shuts down

If, @xenon131 responds to my PM and wants to say something here about trust, maybe your problem is solved, just wait for @xenon131 to come here, hopefully it goes well and is resolved well.

That's right. I actually started that thread on ClipX because of the shabby way the project team treated bounty hunters of which I was one. My anger was fueled because the ClipX team knew they weren't continuing with the project but they insisted that hunters passed a KYC with them. However, I didn't agree with @xenon131 for tagging Bounty Detective and I said it in clear terms in this comment because I felt it was a bit harsh as BD might even have incurred some losses themselves too running that bounty.

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I wish me has encountered his bounty topic a month earlier. To left in the lurch the bunch of bitcointalk users ... hm, it  does no credit to  the manager somehow related to the project. I have tagged him today.

Well, honestly I don't think the BM deserved to be tagged for that (at least not now, except we can prove a case that BD is a part of the ClipX team). Otherwise, tagging BD is for me too harsh a decision. From BD's claim, said to have argued it out with the ClipX team to drop the idea of a KYC. It's also a loss for them. I think BD also innocently fell prey to ClipX too. However, I believe it should've stood its ground and warned hunters not to go ahead with the KYC

Nevertheless, I opened that thread so that innocent participants can be brought to the knowledge of what dangers lie in exposing their private data to bounty projects and also of what a scam the ClipX team turned into. Nobody should expose their passports, no matter how enticing the bounty seems. As hunters, we should avoid any bounty that demands a KYC that is more that a validation of email addresses.

If I felt the fault was entirely that of BD, perhaps I would've tagged them at once when I made that post. Well, I hope xenon131 sees reason to reconsider on this and resolve it.

The ClipX project, another bounty, managed by the Bounty Detectives' team early today let down bounty hunters gently in what seems a soft exit by announcing that it would no longer continue with the project. The announcement was made here: https://t.me/clipXchannel/13

That was after it had cunningly collected KYC documents from hunters (even though that wasn't explicitly on the bounty thread). ClipX insisted it was going to be a passport document for KYC or nothing. It was really a suspicious move but anxious hunters neglected it. Why ask for only a passport for KYC and not any other document.

My advise to bounty hunters:
1. Don't participate in any bounty without escrowed rewards.
2. Don't be in a rush to participate in every bounty that comes up.
3. Follow only trusted Bounty Managers.
4. DYOR on any project and don't rely on BMs. Most of them don't even research a project before going into contract with project team.

Anyone else got any advice for bounty hunters, especially the noobs among them?

Question for your advice #1)

While you advise people not to participate in unescrowed bounties, and you join in Tozex, Gaimin, ClipX, 3WM, and Candela bounties, managed by us but not escrowed?  As we see you are still working on those bounties.

Question for your advice #3)  Follow only trusted Bounty Managers. 

Who are the trusted bounty managers? So it means we are untrustworthy bounty managers? If so, why you participated in 7 bounties managed by us?Is their success ratio better than ours? (Please see topic 3) If so, please give their names and do a favor to the bounty hunters so that they will benefit it.


Question for your advice #4) Did you read our topic about ClipX and saw the proofs how we researched the project in detail? Also, do you have any proof about ClipX being a scam or used the IDs?

And yes KCT tokens is shit tokens, because there is not project anymore.

Is that what you said when you hired bounty participants? I have a feeling you didn't exactly say "these are worthless shit tokens and you're not getting paid". Do you see how that could be a bit of a problem?

I think you did not understand the subject because you did not read the whole thread. I know it is a long thread, but you will understand our point if you read it from A to Z.

While Kingcasino bounty was ongoing, of course, those tokens were not shit tokens, but after they involved an exit scam now, those tokens have no value, so it is called a shit token. Then the community already did not demand those tokens; it makes no sense. Only this guy demanded those tokens, and we told him if he wants we can send him. We said it several times. That guy is untrustworthy, and already we refute that claim.

We already mentioned on our bounty that offensive and rude behavior are not be tolerated. However, he did not stop insulting our bounty managers, so what we did was correct.

Again, better, you read the entire topic; otherwise, you can't judge this issue fairly. All thread is connected to each other.


Then you can see Bounty Detective's success ratio. If from 28 bounties, only one project involves an exit scam, we are doing this job well. The community's and projects' feedbacks about us are enough proofs, not the slanders of Xenon.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

[BountyDetective]

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I made him red second time for lying in revenge. His Turkindo52 shiller who called me "racist" was also tagged. Both are not trustworthy. I will not wonder if  Turkindo52 is his alt.

You used Altcoinstalks to hide your identity. You fought with us one month ago. You said you wished ClipX thread opened one month ago.
And both of your's nicknames are "Xenon" Additionally, both of you guys are enemies of Bounty Detective. Are all of them coincidence?

You are racist and liar. We have sent screenshots. Also, we don't use alt accounts. Otherwise, we have a team of 11 people, and all of us can open too many alt accounts. We don't do it, we fight fair, not like you.

As I said before, you are abusing your default trust and threatening everyone to give negative trust. You did it back from an anonymous account and then deleted the conversation.

You can be sure that because of your kind of people, too many people are losing their trust in Bitcointalk. You can do a simple Telegram and Google research about it. We are not afraid of your "rank."  You can give 100 negative trusts. The community's support is obvious.

We require fair global admins to punish you, and we will do our best to provide it. While you were chatting here, we were doing business, that is why we don't have a hero rank. You should not be so arrogant about your rank.

[Shef198911]

BountyDetective, I don't think all those shills here are helping your case, nor is the massive amount of fallacious reasoning you're trying to drown us in. It doesn't matter that you didn't steal $200k or whatever it was. The only thing that matters is if xenon131's trust rating is factual and if it shows that you're high-risk to deal with. For example if you deflect responsibility for bounty participants not getting paid then it could be considered high-risk. This doesn't help either:

If you die for those shit tokens I can give you 100K of them.

Not exactly trust-inspiring attitude.

I think you have read the entire topic, and look, was there any rude or boorish attitude towards the detective on my part now ? and as there is a message that managers are not the first to get rude and rude, if this is so, according to the detective, I started to be rude and rude, but I posted in the answer, I think the expression "If you die for those shit tokens I can give you 100K of them." shows who was really right, and the last time it started in my direction, and then the ridicule and insults, I will not say that in a rude form, but in a humiliating format, and now says that I'm some kind of zaslany and I was paid, if this was the case, then logically I would have started to be rude, rude, insulting, so the true side of the relationship is revealed quietly