Ideology & impact on real life

[Chrystora123]

Political conditions in various countries are not perfect..  I personally believe in the "Utopian Socialist" ideology.  I believe that we should live without worrying anymore about health and education costs, which are what the people most need..

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[Porfirii]

A professor of mine used to say that ideology is "a way of living and thinking" and I totally agree that the way you think makes your reality; so different ideologies do create different worlds in different minds.

I don't follow any political ideology per se, but I suppose that utopically many of them could work while in an imperfect world extremes create ways of thinking that lead to suffering to the ideologist.

[cryptoperkele]

Political conditions in various countries are not perfect..  I personally believe in the "Utopian Socialist" ideology.  I believe that we should live without worrying anymore about health and education costs, which are what the people most need..

we are here just discussing and getting to know each other better about each other's ideology (in your own opinion) -->

You do realize that we who have Social democracy party in power don't worry about health or education costs right now? It doesn't need to be utopian socialist.

[Spendulus]

Political conditions in various countries are not perfect..  I personally believe in the "Utopian Socialist" ideology.  I believe that we should live without worrying anymore about health and education costs, which are what the people most need..

we are here just discussing and getting to know each other better about each other's ideology (in your own opinion) -->

You do realize that we who have Social democracy party in power don't worry about health or education costs right now? It doesn't need to be utopian socialist.

Except of course for those countries where you have it, but do have to worry about health and education costs, because the money is spread too thin to have effective services.

[Dorodha]

The political situation in any country is not perfect it has a lot of impact in real life the education system is therefore the invention of methods and how to solve real life problems in the social system and social life. Improvement family affects the whole life of the society in many ways. Personal good and evil are judged among students through health education in schools but politically there are such organizations in almost every country in Europe and America. There are organizations in most of the Asian countries including Saudi Arabia

[Poker Player]

The problem with ideologies is that they are almost perfect in theory but far from perfect in practice. In my case, I think capitalism is the least bad once it is put into practice, but always putting certain limits on the part of the state and having some redistribution of wealth. Although, ideally, these limits and redistribution should tend to the minimum.

[cryptoperkele]

Except of course for those countries where you have it, but do have to worry about health and education costs, because the money is spread too thin to have effective services.

Maybe give some examples of such countries, and while you do so, just remember that you can find opposition voices at any country claiming that their current government is doing a horrible job. That's quite normal in any democratic system.

I live in Finland, my heathcare is doing just fine, and right now it's strained by the measures we have to take for covid-19, but as in crisis we usually have strong sense of unity and we prioritise.

But even if it wasn't doing fine at (some point there is a waiting queue for example). I could can just pay for private health care services. I rather not but i could. So what was the problem here again?

[franky1]

i beleive there will never be a 'zero tax' 'free state' utopia of no government funding.

that said the government really needs to sort out what it is spending the treasury money on. and learn a bit of accounting and acountability

the purpose of a government was to be the arbitrator of human rights and responsability.

so what the government should be doing is only spending fund on the really crucial things that people need as a human right. so yes protecting citizens from poverty and bad health.

most other things are luxury stuff. yes a government should regulate trail/aero transport to protect travellers safety. but funding it should be a private service.

same with space travel. that should be private funded.
the 'other nation exploration' (oil invasions) should not be funded by government military budget
if a private oil company wants oil. then they should pay their own 'militia' to go abroad peacefully and negotiate deals.

yes i know that if treasury funds/manages certain things. it can reduce the price of transport/oil. but if the private companies then claim profits. they should put them profits back into treasury to make up for the funding it costs to create their business

politicians are employed on a salary. and if the end up earning a single dollar from elsewhere. then they are not effectively being a politician full time and thus should be dismissed.
politicians should only get bonuses/increased salary. if they show they can be bothered to be politicians and no just media faces.
yes spend 4 years talking about making a plan. is not actioning a plan.
make a plan in 4 months and action it. dont just waste tax money as a paper man that just sits and smiles.
governments are supposed to do things to better peoples lives. and we need to make them accountable.

EG
if it cost $45billion to make a wall. but hoping it will stop 4.5m illegal immigrants ove 10 years. is putting a price tag of costing $10k a migrant
im pretty sure they can sort out migration issues at less then $10k a migrant

am i suggesting a bounty hunter of $50k/y only needs to capture 6 instead of 5 migrants to be more cost effective. well not quite but you see my point. of how much and how easy it is to find cheaper uses of funding

[franky1]

You do realize that we who have Social democracy party in power don't worry about health or education costs right now? It doesn't need to be utopian socialist.

Except of course for those countries where you have it, but do have to worry about health and education costs, because the money is spread too thin to have effective services.
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america is crying aboutnot enough hospital beds. not enough healthcare for everyone. no cancer treatment during covid..
so sounds like america are not that great.
yep america didnt have enough PPE or vents in march. just like everyone else


atleast in the UK doctors dont check peoples social security card and job status and insurance info before giving them a checkup

yep in the UK doctors first question is 'whats ails you' no 'whats your insurance'.
im starting to understand why american are soo anti-health. they only see doctors as application vetting judges. not as people that want to help with their illness.

[BADecker]

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[Chrystora123]

A professor of mine used to say that ideology is "a way of living and thinking" and I totally agree that the way you think makes your reality; so different ideologies do create different worlds in different minds.

"the ideology works perfectly is when it is done and not just thought about"..

You do realize that we who have Social democracy party in power don't worry about health or education costs right now? It doesn't need to be utopian socialist.

This is my concern, at this time there are many social parties that only claim to be socialists, but in reality when they come to power, they will show their true origin and tend to only undermine their territory..

The problem with ideologies is that they are almost perfect in theory but far from perfect in practice. In my case, I think capitalism is the least bad once it is put into practice, but always putting certain limits on the part of the state and having some redistribution of wealth. Although, ideally, these limits and redistribution should tend to the minimum.

it is true, capitalists only contribute greatly to governments who help their plans not contribute to the people..

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I understand what you mean but countries like Finland, Saudi Arabia, and New Zealand do not impose "taxes" on their citizens, their governments instead pay wages to the unemployed.  The countries that I mentioned are very worthy of being an example by other countries..

[bekti3]

Political conditions in various countries are not perfect..  I personally believe in the "Utopian Socialist" ideology.  I believe that we should live without worrying anymore about health and education costs, which are what the people most need..

we are here just discussing and getting to know each other better about each other's ideology (in your own opinion) -->

It is true, that basically human nature cannot be separated from the so-called socialism, and it will stick forever. It can be said that between human beings and social nature there is a unity that cannot be separated, even if someone claims to be anti-social I think that is a very false statement.
The way each country socializes depends on the demographics of a country, with its own style and characteristics.