Covid reinfection

[Charles-Tim]

Man get covid-19 twice and second hit more severe
A man in the United States has caught Covid twice, with the second infection becoming far more dangerous than the first, doctors report.
BBC News - Covid reinfection: Man gets Covid twice and second hit 'more severe'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

But, do not mind the news, although according to the scientist, the man was infected again but recovered and now healthy. You can check the full news on the BBC linked above.

Scientists say the patient caught coronavirus twice, rather than the original infection becoming dormant and then bouncing back. A comparison of the genetic codes of the virus taken during each bout of symptoms showed they were too distinct to be caused by the same infection. "Our findings signal that a previous infection may not necessarily protect against future infection," said Dr Mark Pandori, from the University of Nevada. "The possibility of reinfections could have significant implications for our understanding of Covid-19 immunity."

Preventive measures more important
He said even people who have recovered should continue to follow guidelines around social distancing, face masks and hand washing. Scientists are still grappling with the thorny issue of coronavirus and immunity. Does everyone become immune? Even people with very mild symptoms? How long does any protection last? These are important questions for understanding how the virus will affect us long-term and may have implications for vaccines and ideas such as herd immunity. So far, reinfection seems to be rare - there have been only a few examples out of more than 37 million confirmed cases.

Second round was assumed to be milder
It had been assumed that a second round of Covid would be milder, as the body would have learned to fight the virus the first time around. It is still unclear why the Nevada patient become more severely ill the second time. One idea is he may have been exposed to a bigger initial dose of the virus. It also remains possible that the initial immune response made the second infection worse. This has been documented with diseases like dengue fever, where antibodies made in response to one strain of dengue virus cause problems if infected by another strain. Prof Paul Hunter, from the University of East Anglia, said the study was "very concerning" because of the small gap between the two infections, and the severity of the second. Given the fact that to date over 37 million people have had the infection, we would have expected to have heard of many more incidents if such very early reinfections with severe illness were common. "It is too early to say for certain what the implications of these findings are for any immunisation programme. But these findings reinforce the point that we still do not know enough about the immune response to this infection." 

BBC News - Covid reinfection: Man gets Covid twice and second hit 'more severe'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

[Cratoon]

Second round was assumed to be milder
It had been assumed that a second round of Covid would be milder, as the body would have learned to fight the virus the first time around. It is still unclear why the Nevada patient become more severely ill the second time. One idea is he may have been exposed to a bigger initial dose of the virus. It also remains possible that the initial immune response made the second infection worse. This has been documented with diseases like dengue fever, where antibodies made in response to one strain of dengue virus cause problems if infected by another strain. Prof Paul Hunter, from the University of East Anglia, said the study was "very concerning" because of the small gap between the two infections, and the severity of the second. Given the fact that to date over 37 million people have had the infection, we would have expected to have heard of many more incidents if such very early reinfections with severe illness were common. "It is too early to say for certain what the implications of these findings are for any immunisation programme. But these findings reinforce the point that we still do not know enough about the immune response to this infection." 

BBC News - Covid reinfection: Man gets Covid twice and second hit 'more severe'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

Hopefully that is an exception rather than a rule.
I had covid and it's pretty bad. I'm not wearing masks now, because I'm confident that second infection won't affect me much but after hearing from you I have doubts now.

[Gyfts]

This isn't the norm, but it does raise some legitimate concerns about vaccinations. This guy caught a mutated version of SARS-COV-2 and got COVID-19 a second time meaning if a vaccine was to be released, you would need to get everyone vaccinated above a certain percentage to induce herd immunity. You might not be successful in just vaccinating the most vulnerable if young people are passing the virus around allowing it to mutate and infect vaccinated people. Considering a large chunk of Americans wouldn't voluntarily get vaccinated, this makes things more interesting. Again, this is with the caveat that reinfection is possible or likely -- the article clearly outlines that this isn't common.

[Poker Player]

Hopefully that is an exception rather than a rule.
I had covid and it's pretty bad. I'm not wearing masks now, because I'm confident that second infection won't affect me much but after hearing from you I have doubts now.

Yes I hope so.

With the thousands of people who will have been infected a second time, I think that if this is news now it is because it is not normal. Otherwise, the news would be that 100 percent of those reinfected develop the second infection severely. Moreover, I think that's what the article points out:

Prof Paul Hunter, from the University of East Anglia, said the study was "very concerning" because of the small gap between the two infections, and the severity of the second. Given the fact that to date over 37 million people have had the infection, we would have expected to have heard of many more incidents if such very early reinfections with severe illness were common. "It is too early to say for certain what the implications of these findings are for any immunisation programme. But these findings reinforce the point that we still do not know enough about the immune response to this infection."  

BBC News - Covid reinfection: Man gets Covid twice and second hit 'more severe'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

Hopefully it will be an isolated case, the causes of which we still do not know.

[franky1]

if it wasnt for the RNA studies. i would have said that it was long covid. because it seems that he was only 1 month symptom free


there have been more then 1 case of people getting covid twice from 2 different seasons
i think i remember reading 3 confirmed re infections and a few more with just long term shedding
but this topics link is probably the first (and the exception) where the second infection is more severe than the first.

the concerns are about these confirmed reinfections then become:
1. did the first infection only have 3-5month natural immunity
2. did first infection cause long time harm, weakening them to be more at risk
3. what caused the immune reaction to act like that within 1-2months. was it new strain. was it hindered immunity due to long covid, was it just being mega viral load inhalation due to not wearing PPE due to naively thinking they now immortal

other things this stuff is then looking at is what are the differences between the 2 minor mutation strains. to ensure vaccines contains a dominant identity that remain in minor strain changes, thus still being an affective vaccine for more then ~1-2 months.

so someone with a more severe case second time round is a thing that is not suppose to be happening. especially not in just ~1-2months

[squatz1]

This isn't the norm, but it does raise some legitimate concerns about vaccinations. This guy caught a mutated version of SARS-COV-2 and got COVID-19 a second time meaning if a vaccine was to be released, you would need to get everyone vaccinated above a certain percentage to induce herd immunity. You might not be successful in just vaccinating the most vulnerable if young people are passing the virus around allowing it to mutate and infect vaccinated people. Considering a large chunk of Americans wouldn't voluntarily get vaccinated, this makes things more interesting. Again, this is with the caveat that reinfection is possible or likely -- the article clearly outlines that this isn't common.

True, and there are legitimate concerns in regards to people getting reinfected.

Though it seems to be VERY VERY unlikely, and I highly doubt it would cause much of an issue. If compliance is high in regards to masks, social distancing, etc -- then the people that are being reinfected with a mutated version aren't going to cause an issue.

Totally very scary, and doomsdayers will love to bring up that you can get it again -- but its just not likely enough to happen to be a major concern. Most major concern right now should be compliance with social distancing, masks, and working on a vaccine.

[Dorodha]

The risk of covid re-infection may increase a second time it's also said to take care to diagnose the second stage of the infection quickly. Since lockdowns aren't possible for livelihoods expert doctors say the sole thanks to prevent Covid-19 is to use a mask to remain safe until you get an efficient vaccine wash your hands frequently with soap and cling to social distance. its use alone isn't enough to scale back infection the simplest thanks to reduce the danger of contracting this virus is to avoid contact with a potentially infected person.

[Jet Cash]

Forget vaccinations, all they seem to do is to create temporary antibodies. If you want immunity, then you need to build it the natural way with T-cells, and mucosal and other protective measures that we have developed over thousands of years.

[BADecker]

Forget vaccinations, all they seem to do is to create temporary antibodies. If you want immunity, then you need to build it the natural way with T-cells, and mucosal and other protective measures that we have developed over thousands of years.

And some of the antibodies are so active that they cause autoimmune diseases.

[franky1]

Forget vaccinations, all they seem to do is to create temporary antibodies. If you want immunity, then you need to build it the natural way with T-cells, and mucosal and other protective measures that we have developed over thousands of years.

and the safest way is to not megadose yourself. thus not be on deaths door due to high viral load.
if you want to create a hug party of forcing infection at no distance no mask. you are just going to cause healthcare to be overwhelmed which would then cause lockdowns which then cause need for vaccines.

if you keep distance and have something to reduce how much you inhale like a mask. then you get low dose inhaled. meaning more chance of not being harmed. thus get your 'natural immunity'

maths and science proves this. its not just random advice from a politician its actually based on math and science
maybe you cant understand complex math. so lets make it very very simple
(this is not exact math. this is dumbed down math translated for idiots demo)

      time               distance         mask-nomask          age
45|[][][][]        2ft|[][][][]        none |[][][][]       81+|[][][][]
30|[][][]           4ft|[][][]           cloth|[][][]       41-60|[][][]
15|[][]              6ft|[][]         surgical|[][]          21-40|[][]
  7|[]____         8ft|[]____          N95|[]_____     0-20|[]_____
    low  high          low    high           low     high          low      high


15yo spending 7 minutes at 8feet distance with a N95 mask is 4
70yo spending 45 minutes 2feet away with no mask is 16

imagine the score was out of 20. do you want a 75% risk of symptoms or 25% of symptoms

governments are not saying 2mintes at 8foot with n95. so in actual fact government is ok with a littlebit of safe infection.
what they are saying is they dont want hospitalisations.

in march before any restrictions. everyone on things like cruiseliners were spending 45mins with each other, shoulder to shoulder without mask and the amount without symptoms was just 18% meaning the amount with symptoms was 82%. yep many were pensioners.

then with the lockdown it went to ~40% thus halved the risk
then with the self isolation distance/coverings and reducing groups this went below 40%. in some cases only 5% severe symptoms and 20% mild

the virus did not change or become less harmful. peoples actions did.

so just try to calculate the risk your putting on yourself and those around you by putting a score on your actions

[BADecker]

There is a new cure for Covid, that essentially makes Covid a thing of the past, even if you gat it today. BUDESONIDE essentially cures Covid in one day to one week >>> https://budesonideworks.com/.

[yohananaomi]

There is a new cure for Covid, that essentially makes Covid a thing of the past, even if you gat it today. BUDESONIDE essentially cures Covid in one day to one week >>> https://budesonideworks.com/.

I have not received the information that you say about the drug but in a health magazine in my country there is and there are reviews for respiratory diseases and its surroundings, sorry if I am wrong. but if this works it might be very good news, but in my country I haven't heard of it.

This is a review I took from: https://www.alodokter.com/budesonide

Budesonide is a corticosteroid class of drugs that are available in various dosage forms, namely liquid or powder that is inhaled by mouth (inhaler), nebulizer liquid, nasal spray, and capsules. Budesonide dosage forms have different benefits.

Budesonide inhaler and nebulizer fluid. Used to relieve and prevent symptoms of asthma attacks, such as shortness of breath and wheezing. These drug acts directly on the respiratory tract by reducing inflammation and swelling of the airways when an asthma attack occurred. In addition, budesonide inhalers and nebulizers can also be used to treat croup, which is a respiratory infection that usually occurs in children.

Budesonide nasal spray. Used to treat symptoms of allergic rhinitis or inflammation that occurs in the nasal cavity due to an allergic reaction to pollen (hay fever), dust, mold, or pet dander. This nasal spray works by blocking the release of natural compounds that trigger allergies.

Budesonide capsules. Used to treat Crohn's disease, which is chronic colitis that causes inflammation of the entire lining of the digestive tract. These capsules work by suppressing an excessive immune system response, which causes inflammation.

[samputin]

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Hopefully that is an exception rather than a rule.
I had covid and it's pretty bad. I'm not wearing masks now, because I'm confident that second infection won't affect me much but after hearing from you I have doubts now.

Glad you already recovered but I suggest that you still wear mask because the virus is still out there. I also hear news that those who have been infected and recovered can still catch the virus. One government official here in our country experienced that also. But he's also well now.

I think the immunity developed of the person once infected is not enough to counter the virus. One still has to be careful until there is no certain solution for this.

[coolcoinz]

I've read somewhere that the virus is mutating and the strain that came from Wuhan and was spreading in March and April was not the one we're getting now. For this reason there's an increase in active cases around the world when compared to the numbers in Spring. Also our immune systems might be weaker now than they were in Spring and Summer due to lower temperatures. The weather in the EU has been really bad lately.

[khanhhoa95]

Vaccine is the best solution for the current countries, the number of infections is too large. We went through 2 outbreaks with more than 1,000 cases. Currently, there are no cases in the community

[BADecker]

^^^ Vaccines are absolutely one of the worst ideas. They don't work. They weaken the immune system. They cause all kinds of other health problems. They are never sufficiently tested for safety.

Watch the video in this post to see what is really going one, and to see the easy cure for Covid in sick people - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252003.msg55395007#msg55395007.

[mindrust]

^^^ Vaccines are absolutely one of the worst ideas. They don't work. They weaken the immune system. They cause all kinds of other health problems. They are never sufficiently tested for safety.

Watch the video in this post to see what is really going one, and to see the easy cure for Covid in sick people - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252003.msg55395007#msg55395007.

In a few months, you won't be able to leave your country unless you got vaxxed probably.

I see it coming.

We are doomed.

[BADecker]

^^^ Vaccines are absolutely one of the worst ideas. They don't work. They weaken the immune system. They cause all kinds of other health problems. They are never sufficiently tested for safety.

Watch the video in this post to see what is really going one, and to see the easy cure for Covid in sick people - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252003.msg55395007#msg55395007.

In a few months, you won't be able to leave your country unless you got vaxxed probably.

I see it coming.

We are doomed.

That's why EVERYBODY needs to research my link, above, and tell all their friends to research it, and tell their doctors to research it. Tell your doctor. If he won't research it, he is not doing his Covid patients justice. Find a different doctor.

[franky1]

people that take inhaled cortical steroids(ICS) are at more risk of developing complications.

yep asthmatics are more at risk of severe covid for a reason
which 100% counter acts what some are promoting people use asthma meds as a daily supplement

again when an idiot like badecker is trying o promote people to take medication as a  daily supliment. think long and hard about what he is actually promoting

here is some things.
when you research the hospital that the 'silver bullet' doctor works at has not seen any significant difference of the ratio of admission:ICU:intubation:death

when you look at how the 'silverbullet' guy has been promoting it for 5 months now. you then look at the studies and realise that steroid use taken early on can cause adverse affects.
even dexamethasome should not been taken early on. and for good reason

there are many asthmatics who have been taking the ICS and have actually ended up in more sever covid and more deaths than family members that dont take the asthma meds

the real killer of covid is the immune response to covid after the first 5 days of covid. wher the immune system goes into crazy..
taking ICS a week before this crazy immune response is not going to prevent the immune response going crazy
if this medication lasted 1-3 weeks then asthmatics wouldnt need it so much
thus debunking that thought.

ICS work on the immune response when the response is happening. its not something you can inhale a week before being sick and be magically not sick.

doctors in the ICU with patients having crazy immune response may use ICS and other meds. this is because surpressing the immune system should only be used when the immune system is going crazy
but to try to advertise them as daily suppliments to be taken when not sick. will actually cause more issues.

its like taking an eppi pen daily 'because it works on allergies' .. sorry but taking an eppi pen daily will screw you up. and wont make you immune to allergies next week

[electronicash]

^^^ Vaccines are absolutely one of the worst ideas. They don't work. They weaken the immune system. They cause all kinds of other health problems. They are never sufficiently tested for safety.

Watch the video in this post to see what is really going one, and to see the easy cure for Covid in sick people - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252003.msg55395007#msg55395007.

In a few months, you won't be able to leave your country unless you got vaxxed probably.

I see it coming.

We are doomed.

this is likely the case soon when there is vaccine already. having a strong immunity doesnt count but a certification that you have been vaccinated will give you authorization to travel. but the protocols like social distancing will always be observe in public. there is no going back to the way things are again.

there is already trauma regarding this covid19 and the world won't forget how many died. this is going to be like a muscle memory that we naturally act to distance away from anyone in the public and i think that is fine. one has to protect themselves.