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November 25, 2011, 01:43:04 AM
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If anything, thank yourself and everybody else for the wealth we have all created. Let's celebrate our mutual gain. Let's celebrate what we have all gained by our rational selfishness through the value we cherish in our fellow man and the value we bring through ourselves.

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November 25, 2011, 01:52:57 AM
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If anything, thank yourself and everybody else for the wealth we have all created. Let's celebrate our mutual gain. Let's celebrate what we have all gained by our rational selfishness through the value we cherish in our fellow man and the value we bring through ourselves.



You were never taught sharing in kindergarten, were you?

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November 25, 2011, 01:56:32 AM
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If anything, thank yourself and everybody else for the wealth we have all created. Let's celebrate our mutual gain. Let's celebrate what we have all gained by our rational selfishness through the value we cherish in our fellow man and the value we bring through ourselves.



You were never taught sharing in kindergarten, were you?

I see nothing wrong with voluntarily sharing.
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November 25, 2011, 02:00:25 AM
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If anything, thank yourself and everybody else for the wealth we have all created. Let's celebrate our mutual gain. Let's celebrate what we have all gained by our rational selfishness through the value we cherish in our fellow man and the value we bring through ourselves.



You were never taught sharing in kindergarten, were you?

I see nothing wrong with voluntarily sharing.

Well, I was not at the great feast between the pilgrims and the Indians like you were, but I believe the reason we celebrate this holiday is because most of us would be dead if it weren't for the Indians' kindness and generosity to us crackers when we sucked so much ass at taking care of ourselves.

I don't know if there was an 'exchange of value', I think they were just human beings with hearts, but that said Happy Thanksgiving! And may you receive a value from eating your turkey!

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November 25, 2011, 02:02:07 AM
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If anything, thank yourself and everybody else for the wealth we have all created. Let's celebrate our mutual gain. Let's celebrate what we have all gained by our rational selfishness through the value we cherish in our fellow man and the value we bring through ourselves.



You were never taught sharing in kindergarten, were you?

I see nothing wrong with voluntarily sharing.

Well, I was not at the great feast between the pilgrims and the Indians like you were, but I believe the reason we celebrate this holiday is because most of us would be dead if it weren't for the Indians' kindness and generosity to us crackers when we sucked so much ass at taking care of ourselves.

I don't know if there was an 'exchange of value', I think they were just human beings with hearts, but that said Happy Thanksgiving! And may you receive a value from eating your turkey!

Caring for others is an equitable exchange of value. The debt is paid inherently through the value one receives by seeing the other person happy. A person who gives gifts with an expectation of a contracted debt in return is not generous nor caring but a loan shark.
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November 25, 2011, 02:04:15 AM
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Also, Thanksgiving was originally made to celebrate a good harvest. Anything beyond that is new culture.
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November 25, 2011, 02:11:09 AM
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Also, Thanksgiving was originally made to celebrate a good harvest. Anything beyond that is new culture.

Sure, if you call 1637 new culture. We were both wrong.

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The first Thanksgiving Day did occur in the year 1637, but it was nothing like our Thanksgiving today. On that day the Massachusetts Colony Governor, John Winthrop, proclaimed such a “Thanksgiving” to celebrate the safe return of a band of heavily armed hunters, all colonial volunteers. They had just returned from their journey to what is now Mystic, Connecticut where they massacred 700 Pequot Indians. Seven hundred Indians – men, women and children – all murdered.

This day is still remembered today, 373 years later. No, it’s been long forgotten by white people, by European Christians. But it is still fresh in the mind of many Indians. A group calling themselves the United American Indians of New England meet each year at Plymouth Rock on Cole’s Hill for what they say is a Day of Mourning. They gather at the feet of a stature of Chief Massasoit of the Wampanoag to remember the long gone Pequot. They do not call it Thanksgiving. There is no football game afterward.

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November 25, 2011, 02:15:05 AM
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No, you are still wrong and I remain correct. The reasons for the holiday stay true to its origin in spirit: a day that celebrates good harvest and good fortune.  Thanksgiving goes back way before 1637.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_(Canada)
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November 25, 2011, 02:18:44 AM
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No, you are still wrong and I remain correct. The reasons for the holiday stay true to its origin in spirit: a day that celebrates good harvest and good fortune.  Thanksgiving goes back way before 1637.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_(Canada)


You didn't read it.

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After the Seven Years' War ended in 1763 handing over of New France to the British, the citizens of Halifax held a special day of Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving days were observed beginning in 1799 but did not occur every year.

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November 25, 2011, 02:21:10 AM
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No, you are still wrong and I remain correct. The reasons for the holiday stay true to its origin in spirit: a day that celebrates good harvest and good fortune.  Thanksgiving goes back way before 1637.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_(Canada)


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After the Seven Years' War ended in 1763 handing over of New France to the British, the citizens of Halifax held a special day of Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving days were observed beginning in 1799 but did not occur every year.
No, you didn't read it. I stand by everything that I have said. Thanksgiving in spirit goes to production and good fortune.

Thanksgiving, or Thanksgiving Day (Canadian French: Jour de l'Action de grâce), occurring on the second Monday in October (since 1957), is an annual Canadian holiday to give thanks at the close of the harvest season.

On Thursday, January 31, 1957, the Canadian Parliament proclaimed:
“   A Day of General Thanksgiving to Almighty God for the bountiful harvest with which Canada has been blessed – to be observed on the 2nd Monday in October.   ”

Since 1971, Thanksgiving in Canada has coincided with the observance of Columbus Day in the United States...

The history of Thanksgiving in Canada can be traced back to the 1578 voyage of Martin Frobisher from England in search of the Northwest Passage. In this, his third, voyage to the Frobisher Bay area of Baffin Island in the present Canadian Territory of Nunavut, it was also the intention to start a small settlement and his fleet of 15 ships were so fitted out with men, materials and provisions for this purpose. However, the loss of one of his ships through contact with ice along with much of the building material was to prevent him from doing so. The expedition was plagued by ice and freak storms which at times had scattered the fleet and on meeting together again at their anchorage in Frobisher Bay, “..Mayster Wolfall, [ Robert Wolfall ] a learned man, appoynted by hir Majesties Councell to be theyr minister and preacher, made unto them a godly sermon, exhorting them especially to be thankefull to God for theyr strange and miraculous deliverance in those so dangerous places,…” . They celebrated Communion and “The celebration of divine mystery was the first signe, scale, and confirmation of Christes name, death and passion ever known in all these quarters.”


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November 25, 2011, 02:23:43 AM
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No, you are still wrong and I remain correct. The reasons for the holiday stay true to its origin in spirit: a day that celebrates good harvest and good fortune.  Thanksgiving goes back way before 1637.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_(Canada)


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After the Seven Years' War ended in 1763 handing over of New France to the British, the citizens of Halifax held a special day of Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving days were observed beginning in 1799 but did not occur every year.
No, you didn't read it. I stand by everything that I have said. Thanksgiving in spirit goes to production and good fortune.

Thanksgiving, or Thanksgiving Day (Canadian French: Jour de l'Action de grâce), occurring on the second Monday in October (since 1957), is an annual Canadian holiday to give thanks at the close of the harvest season.

On Thursday, January 31, 1957, the Canadian Parliament proclaimed:
“   A Day of General Thanksgiving to Almighty God for the bountiful harvest with which Canada has been blessed – to be observed on the 2nd Monday in October.   ”

Since 1971, Thanksgiving in Canada has coincided with the observance of Columbus Day in the United States...

The history of Thanksgiving in Canada can be traced back to the 1578 voyage of Martin Frobisher from England in search of the Northwest Passage. In this, his third, voyage to the Frobisher Bay area of Baffin Island in the present Canadian Territory of Nunavut, it was also the intention to start a small settlement and his fleet of 15 ships were so fitted out with men, materials and provisions for this purpose. However, the loss of one of his ships through contact with ice along with much of the building material was to prevent him from doing so. The expedition was plagued by ice and freak storms which at times had scattered the fleet and on meeting together again at their anchorage in Frobisher Bay, “..Mayster Wolfall, [ Robert Wolfall ] a learned man, appoynted by hir Majesties Councell to be theyr minister and preacher, made unto them a godly sermon, exhorting them especially to be thankefull to God for theyr strange and miraculous deliverance in those so dangerous places,…” . They celebrated Communion and “The celebration of divine mystery was the first signe, scale, and confirmation of Christes name, death and passion ever known in all these quarters.”





No I read it. You didn't read it.

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Various First Nations in Canada had long-standing traditions celebrating the harvest and giving thanks for a successful bounty of crops. Canada's First Nations and Native Americans throughout the Americas, including the Pueblo, Cherokee, Cree and many others organized harvest festivals, ceremonial dances, and other celebrations of thanks for centuries before the arrival of Europeans in North America.[7]


Canadian troops attend a Thanksgiving service in the bombed-out Cambrai Cathedral, in France in October 1918
The history of Thanksgiving in Canada can be traced back to the 1578 voyage of Martin Frobisher from England in search of the Northwest Passage. In this, his third, voyage to the Frobisher Bay area of Baffin Island in the present Canadian Territory of Nunavut, it was also the intention to start a small settlement and his fleet of 15 ships were so fitted out with men, materials and provisions for this purpose. However, the loss of one of his ships through contact with ice along with much of the building material was to prevent him from doing so. The expedition was plagued by ice and freak storms which at times had scattered the fleet and on meeting together again at their anchorage in Frobisher Bay, “..Mayster Wolfall, [ Robert Wolfall ] a learned man, appoynted by hir Majesties Councell to be theyr minister and preacher, made unto them a godly sermon, exhorting them especially to be thankefull to God for theyr strange and miraculous deliverance in those so dangerous places,…” . They celebrated Communion and “The celebration of divine mystery was the first signe, scale, and confirmation of Christes name, death and passion ever known in all these quarters.”[8]
Frobisher returned to England in the fall of the year with over a thousand tons of what he thought was precious gold ore which turned out to be totally worthless, and minus “fortie”, or about ten percent of his ships’ compliment “whiche number is not great, considering howe manye ships were in the fleete, and how strange fortunes we passed."
The exact locations of Frobisher’s activities remained a bit of a mystery until the discoveries of the American explorer Charles Francis Hall in Baffin Island nearly three centuries later in 1861.
Years later, French settlers, having crossed the ocean and arrived in Canada with explorer Samuel de Champlain, in 1604 onwards also held huge feasts of thanks. They even formed 'The Order of Good Cheer' and gladly shared their food with their First Nations neighbours.
After the Seven Years' War ended in 1763 handing over of New France to the British, the citizens of Halifax held a special day of Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving days were observed beginning in 1799 but did not occur every year.[9] After the American Revolution, American refugees who remained loyal to Great Britain moved from the newly independent United States and came to Canada. They brought the customs and practices of the American Thanksgiving to Canada.[citation needed]
Lower Canada and Upper Canada observed Thanksgiving on different dates; for example, in 1816 both celebrated Thanksgiving for the termination of the war between France and Great Britain, the former on 21 May and the latter on 18 June.[9] In 1838, Lower Canada used Thanksgiving to celebrate the end of the Lower Canada Rebellion.[9] Following the rebellions, the two Canadas were merged into a united Province of Canada, which observed Thanksgiving six times from 1850 to 1865.[9]
The first Thanksgiving Day after Canadian Confederation was observed as a civic holiday on April 5, 1872 to celebrate the recovery of the Prince of Wales (later King Edward VII) from a serious illness.[10]
Starting in 1879 Thanksgiving Day was observed every year, but the date was initially a Thursday in November. The date of celebration changed several times until, in 1957, it was officially declared to be the second Monday in October.[10] The theme of the Thanksgiving holiday also changed each year to reflect an important event to be thankful for. In its early years it was for an abundant harvest and occasionally for a special anniversary.[9]
After World War I, an amendment to the Armistice Day Act established that Armistice Day and Thanksgiving would both be celebrated on the Monday of the week in which November 11 occurred, starting in 1921.[10] Ten years later, in 1931, the two days became separate holidays, and Armistice Day was renamed Remembrance Day. From 1931 to 1957, the date was set by proclamation, generally falling on the second Monday in October, except for 1935, when it was moved due to a general election.[10][9] In 1957 Thanksgiving was permanently set to be the second Monday in October.[10]

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November 25, 2011, 02:25:35 AM
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If anything, thank yourself and everybody else for the wealth we have all created. Let's celebrate our mutual gain. Let's celebrate what we have all gained by our rational selfishness through the value we cherish in our fellow man and the value we bring through ourselves.


We should be thanking the slaves who built our country.

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November 25, 2011, 02:26:08 AM
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Yes, you are reading it. You're reading very well, Matthew.

However, when it comes to the argument, you are not arguing relevant facts. You can spew random facts all you want but in the end it's what is relevant that matters. The fact is Thanksgiving overall -- culturally and empirically -- celebrates good fortune and production.
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If anything, thank yourself and everybody else for the wealth we have all created. Let's celebrate our mutual gain. Let's celebrate what we have all gained by our rational selfishness through the value we cherish in our fellow man and the value we bring through ourselves.


We should be thanking the slaves who built our country.

That debt was paid long ago. I don't think we should be holding grudges indefinitely. There is something called forgiveness.
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Yes, you are reading it. You're reading very well, Matthew.

However, when it comes to the argument, you are not arguing relevant facts. You can spew random facts all you want but in the end it's what is relevant that matters. The fact is Thanksgiving overall -- culturally and empirically -- celebrates good fortune and production.
Who gives a shit? Can't you just celebrate the holiday and be HAPPY? No wonder people troll you.

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Yes, you are reading it. You're reading very well, Matthew.

However, when it comes to the argument, you are not arguing relevant facts. You can spew random facts all you want but in the end it's what is relevant that matters. The fact is Thanksgiving overall -- culturally and empirically -- celebrates good fortune and production.
Who gives a shit? Can't you just celebrate the holiday and be HAPPY? No wonder people troll you.

Heh. Who says I am not happy?
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If anything, thank yourself and everybody else for the wealth we have all created. Let's celebrate our mutual gain. Let's celebrate what we have all gained by our rational selfishness through the value we cherish in our fellow man and the value we bring through ourselves.


We should be thanking the slaves who built our country.

That debt was paid long ago. I don't think we should be holding grudges indefinitely. There is something called forgiveness.
Lol we can debate whether or not that "debt" has been paid off or not for 20 pages... Anyways Happy Thanks Giving Atlas Smiley .

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If anything, thank yourself and everybody else for the wealth we have all created. Let's celebrate our mutual gain. Let's celebrate what we have all gained by our rational selfishness through the value we cherish in our fellow man and the value we bring through ourselves.


We should be thanking the slaves who built our country.

That debt was paid long ago. I don't think we should be holding grudges indefinitely. There is something called forgiveness.
Lol we can debate whether or not that "debt" has been paid off or not for 20 pages... Anyways Happy Thanks Giving Atlas Smiley .

Happy Thanksgiving. I enjoy knowing you, FlipPro. I hope you believe that.
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Yes, you are reading it. You're reading very well, Matthew.

However, when it comes to the argument, you are not arguing relevant facts. You can spew random facts all you want but in the end it's what is relevant that matters. The fact is Thanksgiving overall -- culturally and empirically -- celebrates good fortune and production.

No, YOU didn't rea- Oh. I thought we were still.. nevermind.




If anything, thank yourself and everybody else for the wealth we have all created. Let's celebrate our mutual gain. Let's celebrate what we have all gained by our rational selfishness through the value we cherish in our fellow man and the value we bring through ourselves.


We should be thanking the slaves who built our country.

That debt was paid long ago. I don't think we should be holding grudges indefinitely. There is something called forgiveness.
Lol we can debate whether or not that "debt" has been paid off or not for 20 pages... Anyways Happy Thanks Giving Atlas Smiley .

I accept your challenge! Start debating.

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Yes, you are reading it. You're reading very well, Matthew.

However, when it comes to the argument, you are not arguing relevant facts. You can spew random facts all you want but in the end it's what is relevant that matters. The fact is Thanksgiving overall -- culturally and empirically -- celebrates good fortune and production.

No, YOU didn't rea- Oh. I thought we were still.. nevermind.




If anything, thank yourself and everybody else for the wealth we have all created. Let's celebrate our mutual gain. Let's celebrate what we have all gained by our rational selfishness through the value we cherish in our fellow man and the value we bring through ourselves.


We should be thanking the slaves who built our country.

That debt was paid long ago. I don't think we should be holding grudges indefinitely. There is something called forgiveness.
Lol we can debate whether or not that "debt" has been paid off or not for 20 pages... Anyways Happy Thanks Giving Atlas Smiley .

I accept your challenge! Start debating.

I don't have a source to quote, but I'm pretty sure everyone knows that the US Afro-Americans still want their dept repaid because of their forefather's enslavement.

Hope you enjoyed a fine Thanksgiving with your family and friends, ALPHA.

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