Full transparency on the forum? Why not?

[KaneVWE]

Why not make a few things fully transparent here?

Post reporter

You see who reports what posts

Mod dealing with report

You see which mod deleted the post or marked it bad

Poll votes

See how people voted on polls
Could even be optional for the polls starter and warning given to those voting
I would prefer all polls were transparent no other option personally.

What reasons not to do this?

I think it would help members and mods act more responsibly.

[jackg]

Reporting posts successfully is what's stopping them...

Even on the report screen it shows a message saying it doesn't want you to reflect on your reporting accuracy...

Transparent polls sounds like a problem in general. Sure you could have an option for it here or you could just ask people to write what they voted for (the solids and some of the swingers would write it, the rest could be assumed to be swing voters or just not want to say)... Why force it?

[JeromeTash]

Why not make a few things fully transparent here?
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I think it would help members and mods act more responsibly.

Or it could make some members become targets especially post reporters or even the mods who delete the posts. Certain times some people become bitter when their posts get deleted. Imagine what happens when they get to know people who have been reporting or mods who have deleted their posts. It would cause more chaos and hatred, wouldn't it?

Also knowing the reporters, mods and poll voters would create some sort of bias in different aspects among members.

[suchmoon]

Jamaican Fried Chicken... not this shit again. Did some mod delete cryptohunter's post again? HOW DARE THEY!!!!!!

[xhomerx10]

Why not make a few things fully transparent here?

Post reporter

You see who reports what posts

Mod dealing with report

You see which mod deleted the post or marked it bad

Poll votes

See how people voted on polls
Could even be optional for the polls starter and warning given to those voting
I would prefer all polls were transparent no other option personally.

What reasons not to do this?

I think it would help members and mods act more responsibly.

  Yeah.  Let's do this!  Full transparency.
What's your name, date of birth and current address?  You go first. This would reduce the number of alt accounts to zero.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Why not make a few things fully transparent here?

Post reporter

You see who reports what posts

Mod dealing with report

You see which mod deleted the post or marked it bad

I think its transparent already. Moderators are assigned per boards so if the post on that particular board has been deleted it is safe to assume that the person handling that section is the one deleted it.

I like the idea but theymos built the forum trustint those assigned moderator for a reason. There is no case that they have been biased so far with their action.  Of course the one allowed to more boards are those assigned as global moderators which is I believe capable of the judgement for some reports.

[hilariousetc]

Why are you asking the same questions and expecting different results? It would be a nightmare if things like this were public. In real life do you get to see who everyone voted for or who grassed you up to the police? Of course not. There's a reason why you need some privacy and it should be up to the individual if they want to share that info with you. People would be worried to report posts if it was public and the same goes for mods handling them. If a post is against the rules it should be reported and people shouldn't have to fear reprisals for doing so. If it's against the rules then a mod will handle it; if not, it will either be marked as bad or left alone. If you feel like your posts are being targeted either by users of staff then state your case in Meta and they will be looked into.

[tranthidung]

I don't think it makes sense.

• If your report is failed, solved as bad and rejected by moderator who takes it, you are able to make another report. There are moderators who have specific boards as their main roles when moderate the forum and their allocated boards but there are odds that if you re-report, that case can be taken by another moderator or even by global moderators.
• If there are serious things need to be solved with your reports, you can bring it to Meta. I see global moderators (among three ones) step in and give more details very often.
• Provides such information can give sources for bad people to do character assassination that is harmful, generally.

[KaneVWE]

Some great contributions here.

Excellent work. Except for that shit stain suchmoon who I have reported once again, like that last 4 or 5 times that dumb fuck has spammed my threads with demands to cease a legitimate and sensible discussion and it has been marked bad each and every time.

So yes it should be transparent which slime ball cunt rag of a mod is permitting people to demand discussion is halted in legitimate threads.

In the previous threads that were all highly valuable and legitimate this behaviour has been permitted.
If anyone else did this and targeted other members threads with spam and demands to cease the discussion it would be removed.

Now getting back to sensible and cordial civilised discussions on these matters.  

Lets first tackle the transparent polls.

Why would you not wish people to see which option you voted for?
Would that not be tantamount to being sneaky and devious ?
Give me an example of why you would not personally wish the forum view which option you have selected on a poll

If there are negatives to a suggested action that does not mean the action is not optimal.
There may be greater negatives for inaction. There are many reasons why polls are lacking in credibility here and they relate to the fact they are anonymous.

To poor deranged tool suggesting this is the same as revealing RL data or kyc please find another thread where your moronic slobbering will be appreciated by the sound of clapping seal flippers as you toss your putrid rotten fish comments out at will.

If you want people want to give their honest opinions out and have them given credibility why be afraid to stand behind them ?
If your opinion is credible and you truly believe it's a reasonable opinion to have then why fear scrutiny and examination ?

Same for this crying about I don't want people to see I report their posts?
Why not? If the forum was moderated correctly then you need not fear reprisals from anyone.

You can either post the on topic relevant truth or points you can corroborate strongly with independently verifiable evidence or you can be deleted. I mean what is there to fear?

If you have no dirt in your post history then how ever hard people look for it there will be nothing for them to leverage against you.
If there is dirt to use against you then you have no fears.

Anyway people can object to any truths that you post and decide they wish to make you an enemy and try any tricks they can to get you banned or ruin your trust rating or starve you of merit.  So then you must fear what you can post but rely on sneaky devious tactics claiming around in the dark to dare express your true feelings and opinions.

There is indisputable evidence of mod bias that is never attended to unless we can all go around slapping warning pictures demanding debates are ended whilst not being able to demonstrate why they are not valid or reasonable debates to have.

That is clear mod bias.

I expect you would find the same mods and reporters colluding and punishing certain members.
Let's make it transparent.

If you want to take an action here against another member why need to be sneaky about it?
Either it was the correct action which you can defend successfully in open debate or you shouldn't be taking it.

Mods and DT especially should have their actions made transparent. You want positions of trust then let's make sure you're trustworthy.
Sneaky little shits all shirking any accountability and fearing public scrutiny. Disgusting.

Anyway focus on the polls first.

Want credible polls make them transparent. I think it would be a nice way to sniff out alts and collusion too.
If you're voting in away that makes you ashamed or reveals who you really are then tough.

There is no excuse saying you fear reprisals for your actions.  If you've got no dirt in your past and are not going around pushing undeniable double standards what have you to fear here from anyone. This is an anonymous forum.  

You post on topic relevant and credible and useful information or it is removed right? Same rules for everyone.
You are honest and don't scam or you are a scammer and get tagged and flagged right? Oh yeah that's wrong forgot it works the other way sometimes with scammers tagging and flagging members that whistle blow on them.

Mods are not there to allow a one sided and debunked narrative to be dominant by removing on topic relevant and independently verifiable evidence from threads depriving the reader of locating the truth right? Do their job then nothing to fear.

You fear having your actions made transparent or have any other excuses let me know. I will help resolve your reservations.

Polls first.

[iamsheikhadil]

Full transparency can be hazardous.

Let's say, hypothetically, you are a follower of a user. And that user does a lots of giveaways and you participate in them. You also win a lot from them.

But lately, that user started to spam the forum. Would you report them if you know that the person will know you reported making your chances in his/her future giveaways less?? You won't want that.

We have opaque reporting system only because so we can report spammers without getting ourselves targeted. And if the report is accurate for what it's being reported for, then the mods will take appropriate actions by removing or not removing them in their capacity.

It's like anonymous reporting which is good.

[KaneVWE]

Full transparency can be hazardous.

Let's say, hypothetically, you are a follower of a user. And that user does a lots of giveaways and you participate in them. You also win a lot from them.

But lately, that user started to spam the forum. Would you report them if you know that the person will know you reported making your chances in his/her future giveaways less?? You won't want that.

We have opaque reporting system only because so we can report spammers without getting ourselves targeted. And if the report is accurate for what it's being reported for, then the mods will take appropriate actions by removing or not removing them in their capacity.

It's like anonymous reporting which is good.

I understand that some people will always put selfish gain above doing the right thing.
They are not the type of members I would seek to encourage here anyway. We're all stocked up with those.
There will be some sensible and credible reasons that people could voice against the reporter being transparent.
That could remain transparent if the moderator handling was transparent and the reported was given some indication that the same reporter was reporting x number of their posts without revealing the username . You have to understand that hiding the reporter encourages targeting and vindictive behavior.


However yes the post is either relevant, on topic , useful and credible or it is not.
Perhaps there should be a mechanism to discourage vindictive and false reporting?

Either way the mod must be transparent.  The reporter if DT should be. Surely they would not put selfish interest above doing the best right thing. But at a minimum the mod. I would like to see a connection or collusion or vindictive pattern of action if it exists.
That type of thing being visible or detectable would discourage it in the first place

What about the polls ?

Those imbeciles attempting to conflate this with RL transparency like kyc are clearly morons.
Feel free to fuck off to threads that cater to retards on your own level.
Read the OP. There is no mention of attempting to DNA map you mutants.

Full transparency on the forum. Aka your username is tied clearly to your actions here for all to observe. Nothing more.

[hilariousetc]

Anyway focus on the polls first.

Want credible polls make them transparent. I think it would be a nice way to sniff out alts and collusion too.
If you're voting in away that makes you ashamed or reveals who you really are then tough.

There is no excuse saying you fear reprisals for your actions.  If you've got no dirt in your past and are not going around pushing undeniable double standards what have you to fear here from anyone. This is an anonymous forum.  

I wouldn't necessarily be against polls being open but only if it was an option like a the self-modded thread is ie you can chose to make it public or closed and that is mentioned at the top of the thread so people are aware and can choose whether to participate. I believe theymos actually has the ability to do that and if I recall correctly he did do an open poll once, or maybe the results were made public after voting. Can't remember exactly, but maybe this sort of feature is something to suggest for the new form as an option.

[jademaxsuy]

The forum works fine for me but still has flaws but it did not affect the purpose of this forum created by satoshi.

I think the best thing to do as a member here in the forum is to adpat to things that has been offered. There is no need for the forum to make changes or adjustments for its members. I consider myself visitor here and are only taking things I do like learning cryptocurrency and forget those things that could not help you as a member and a person.

The may be losing dignity for their wrong doings but as long as you think that you are only doing what is right then all will be fine. Ignore members you think in your way to your endeavors.

[KaneVWE]

Anyway focus on the polls first.

Want credible polls make them transparent. I think it would be a nice way to sniff out alts and collusion too.
If you're voting in away that makes you ashamed or reveals who you really are then tough.

There is no excuse saying you fear reprisals for your actions.  If you've got no dirt in your past and are not going around pushing undeniable double standards what have you to fear here from anyone. This is an anonymous forum.  

I wouldn't necessarily be against polls being open but only if it was an option like a the self-modded thread is ie you can chose to make it public or closed and that is mentioned at the top of the thread so people are aware and can choose whether to participate. I believe theymos actually has the ability to do that and if I recall correctly he did do an open poll once, or maybe the results were made public after voting. Can't remember exactly, but maybe this sort of feature is something to suggest for the new form as an option.

Well that is good to know. A sensible requirement. I would make all of my own polls transparent anyway.
If others didnt wish for their polls to be transparent then fair enough. It would be good enough to point that out as a challenge for when you suspect the results are bogus.

For jademaxsuy

Yes, there are no demands. We should all be grateful to have found bitcointalk. I certainly am.
However there is no harm debating improvements. If there was a clear case they would not be improvements that is fine.

We must remember you can demonstrate there are some undeniable negatives to a plan of action but still that plan of action would remain optimal. People can't say well there is this potential negative terminate the idea when there would be far more potential positives.

Knowing the mod is essential. It is strange meta board has no assigned mods. Then when you enquire about a very strange delete or even stranger refusal to delete they hide up. I mean you only need to hear the explanation 1x for permitting a member to stalk your legitmate threads and post pictures demanding the debate to cease. Obviously that must be applicable to all members so would be a very useful explanation. The specifics would be more than interesting.

Sadly most people run away when you start to drill down to specifics.

[hilariousetc]

Knowing the mod is essential. It is strange meta board has no assigned mods. Then when you enquire about a very strange delete or even stranger refusal to delete they hide up. I mean you only need to hear the explanation 1x for permitting a member to stalk your legitmate threads and post pictures demanding the debate to cease. Obviously that must be applicable to all members so would be a very useful explanation. The specifics would be more than interesting.

Sadly most people run away when you start to drill down to specifics.

Why is it essential to know? If a mod is abusing his power then they're abusing their power and that should be investigated, but the likelihood is that they're not and it's just down to a user feeling victimised or being slightly paranoid, and that's where we run into problems. Knowing their name would just lead to that user either pestering the mod or holding a grudge against them for taking action against their post. I think a better solution would be mods being able to give a reason why a post was deleted that is included with the deleted post notification and maybe that would help with any confusion. Also, not all boards have a mod and as long as you're not a Newbie then you can assume it was either one of the Global mods or Admins that removed it. Many of those aren't that active in posting or in browsing Meta so they might not just have seen your post, or if they did see it maybe felt like they didn't want to get involved for whatever reason or a response isn't justified.

[Pffrt]

Do you doubt on the act of moderators? If so, you can get your deleted post and present it here that mods are not acting properly.
Why would reporters be publicly announced, to target them?

I think it would help members and mods act more responsibly.

Can you please exactly point out which benefit would forum get by following your suggestion above?

[Smartvirus]

Firstly, I would have loved to know the main reason that backed up your conceived idea of obliterating the anonymity behind reports, votes and deleted posts. Of course that of deleted posts is very much the moderator as the one incharge of that board or sub-boards or yourself based on a few terms.
When it comes to the others, I think it's very much unwise to disclose these details to everyone as I'd you get banned based on the fact that a certain member reported or suggested you for a ban, have a lot of deleted posts based on reports as well or have a lot of antagonistic users to your idea, it would establish in you a need to watch out for those users and you become biased in dealing with matters that concerns them.
Supposing you had an align even though he or she warned you over certain activities or ideas and you still go ahead to action it and he or she reacted, you feel betrayed.
So, the anonymity is just better, do right and your sure to have no trouble.

[Stedsm]

It would not be in anybody's benefit if everything goes transparent here. What if your IP address, email address, your personal ID gets leaked at some place when you never wanted it to get compromised? That is how these things are meant to be confidential so to stop others from bullying responsible members who are doing their job great behind the picture. It's better if these things stay anonymous because if a poll starter will know who voted what and if he doesn't support a community apart that goes against the decision he expected, he'll start asking them what made them vote for that and then, spam PMs and whatnot. Kind of a hassle, no?

[KaneVWE]

Great replies from my friends here.

It's better to deal with specifics.

Let's get down to some.

Now. You see the poor scammer lauda was forced to leave the forum.
So now all the slobbering turds here run to laudas thread with eulogies of all his great works and pretending he was so net postive for the forum... oh what a sad loss.

I mean 4 pages of this bogus provably false shit and that weird creepy pervy gimp nullius basically admitting he loved lauda and is now all heartbroken that lauda pulled an Alia on him and left him with blue balls no cyber sex like he was hoping for after slobbering around debasing  himself making excuses and pushing clear double standards and hypocrisy to impress her (him)
Anyway all of that is contained in that thread and in previous admissions from nullius the guy is a scary hannibal like pervy ghoul.

So a thread full of lies and shit.

I come along and post a link to a thread that proves lauda was a lying deceptive scamming piece of dirt.
He was also a proven trust abuser.
Was implicated in an extortion scheme and was a proven sneaky intentional plagiarist.

You know... sorry for furnishing the reader with the truth.

So yes those posts are deleted.  What they are off topic and irrelevant ??

But all the lies and bogus blowing smoke up lauda the scammers ass were not off topic and irrelevant at all?

So you can be off topic and tell lies but not be off topic and tell the truth.  LOL
Maybe in such a case you can only be on topic and relevant if you tell lies.
Then we wonder why people question the credibility of the forum.

I mean Im saying my goodbyes too :*(

That's the kind of bogus moderation we are dealing with.
The mods have no interest in seeing the reader furnished with the the truth they prefer to delete the truth and push bogus lies on the reader.

Now anyone that wishes to debunk the statements I have just made about lauda can do so right now.
I challenge anyone here.


Next - you see that dumb fuck suchmoon. You know the same stupid twat that was screaming for ages that CH was crazy to suggest the top merit earners were not making the best posts here, and suchmoon was insisting that merit was a great indication of the members posting value? A great base for the trust system lol

Going as far as to make claims such as

All pre merit legends are spammers

And it was entirely stupid and incorrect to suggest that some of the 99.97% of the forum could make posts as good as some of the 0.03% of the top merit earners?

Then to be found saying the terms good poster and bad poster are meaningless terms without strict criteria and definition.
Debunking all crap she had been spewing for months.

So, yes that such moon. Is now stalking every thread I make and slapping pictures demanding the debates are halted.
Imagine that mods have not deleted a single one that I have reported. All marked bad.

Now of course this is clearly not permitted.
If I were to make a picture of saying don't feed the fat slob suchmoon and follow her to threads and slap that in them over and over again.
They would be deleted instantly.

This is mod bias.

1. Suchmoon has never even once been able to demonstrate I have been incorrect about anything I have said. I have challenged her many many times to bring even 1 probably false piece of information that I have presented as true about another member or the systems of control here or any bones of contention suchmoron has with my posts.  She has failed and always run away.

2. I have debunked her crap over and over. She has never even won one argument with me or anyone I support over anything.
She is a proven troll and scammer protector. So if anyone should be posting pictures demanding her threads are abandoned it should be me.

This is clearly mod bias.

I mean even if you debunked someone's claims 1x before you cant just demanded they never make a thread again and if they do you will demand their threads are halted and the debate cease. I mean suchmoon has been debunked and I don't even do that to that fat dumb slob.  I would go to her thread and publically and transparently pull it apart if I chose.

That fat slob has zero shame. It runs from debate and just spams this demand to cease discussion on my threads. I don't even care she does that. What pisses me off is the mod scum that colludes with her to break the rules.
That is off topic,  irrelevant, low value spamming but they mark the reports as bad. Lol


There is no point saying it is a matter of opinion. It is a clear double standard and clear mod abuse.

If you knew who the mod was you could call them out personally to answer. However how to find out? No way?

This hiding away is cowardice and treachery.

The forum will lose all credibility since already prominent members of the crypto community are correctly claiming that the narrative here is tightly controlled. Free speech exists until you want to present evidence that spoils what they want to convey as being true about something they really care about rather than allowing free and open debate.

Banning, tagging,  flagging is all just a joke. The undeniable independently verifiable truth is impossible to thwart.

Now as to those still farting on about IP and emails etc .. this is proof you don't read the thread.  Try again.

To the others asking what benefit would transparency have ...well we can run through all of the benefits soon. I mean some should be immediately self evident.  However I know I clearly over estimate the types I am dealing with on meta board so we can run through those nice and slowly step by step and debate it.

Lets deal with the probably not mod bias and just a case of being over touchy or paranoid first.
I mean those examples alone are clear cut. But there are even greater extremes of mod bias.

There is no way to tackle mod bias whilst the mod is hiding and you don't even know who the scumbag is .

[libert19]

Other than poll transparency I somewhat agree but still all those mod things will prolly cause more hassle than being useful.