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October 21, 2020, 11:53:36 AM
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Relationship between Bitmine farm/Bitmain farm scam website and www.Coinpayments.net

I was scammed by BITMINE.FARM/BITMAIN.FARM website starting from April 20, 2020.
I was able to identify that the scammer wallet was linked with www.Coinpayments.net. I was able to locate the beneficiary wallet following the blockchain transactions.
There are strong technical reasons that my money has been transferred to Hodltech OÜ/Coinpayments's accounts and wallets.
I checked the destination wallet addresses in walletexplorer.com website where my money has gone. Surveys show that destination wallet are locate on CoinPayments.net
I would like to report it to the law enforcement based in Estonia because these are clearly scam activity and Money Laundering.I have enough evidence to provide.

Do not invest, Bitmine.Farm is scam.
If you are a victim of Bitmine.Farm/Bitmain.farm
Search destination wallet address that you paid for it on www.walletexplorer.com
This survey will show you where your destination wallet is or where your money has been transferred.
You will find that the destination wallet is located in www.Coinpayments.net  and all fraudulent money from you has been transferred to www.Coinpayments.net company.
Complain against www.Coinpayments.net and get all your money back.
Hodltech OÜ is doing business as Coinpayments.net and is registered in Estonia, operating licenses issued by the Estonian Police and Border Guard (Numbers FVR000390 and FRK000318).
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October 21, 2020, 12:52:23 PM
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Well, coinpayments is just a payment gateway... Sure, they'll be used by scammers, just like your FIAT bank can also be used by scammers.

Have you tried contacting coinpayments directly instead of reporting them? It's the scammer using coinpayments to receive funds, so it's the scammer that should be reported. IIRC, coinpayments requires KYC...

This being said, coinpayment's reputation wasn't always 100% perfect either.

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October 21, 2020, 01:51:13 PM
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Follow what mocaninno said from what I know Coinpayments has a KYC verification for their users so I think they have the ability to identify who scammed you if they really have used their services for scamming you. I don't know how reliable their support is but they have a page for their customer support and maybe you can inquire at that page. Just make sure though that they have used Coinpayments in facilitating the scam that took place since I'm wondering how you connected them to the blockchain.
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October 21, 2020, 01:57:52 PM
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Have you tried contacting coinpayments directly instead of reporting them? It's the scammer using coinpayments to receive funds, so it's the scammer that should be reported. IIRC, coinpayments requires KYC...

Hihi, do you know what they claim?
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What We Can't Help You With:
Problems with 3rd party services/merchants.

There are a dozen cases here with fake mining gear shops that are pure scams and coinpayments has not shown even the slight interest of assisting the user, contacting them is like talking to a wall. Let's not even talk about refunds, that's another story.
And scammers do use this service exactly because of this, it gives the newbie shopper a feeling it's like Paypal and they have real customer service and they can ask for a refund if they are cheated, which is obviously not the case.


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October 21, 2020, 02:04:29 PM
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@stompix: I had no idear...
I used to have an account with them which i created ages ago to receive payments for a service i had set up... And i remember being bugged by them to submit my KYC info after i'd been accepting payments for a long long time without any problems, so i decided to drop them... That's why I assumed that, because they require KYC info, they'd be more helpfull when one of their merchants scammed people... But i guess i was wrong.

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October 22, 2020, 07:38:43 AM
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Coinpayments’s company advocates fraud, Hodltech OÜ/Coinpayments’s company is the accomplice of fraudsters as bitmine.farm scammer websites.

In consultation with my lawyers, I decided to sue only against  Hodltech OÜ/Coinpayments’s company. The reasons and documents are clear. The obvious ones are as follows:

1.       I fell victim to an online FRAUDULENT CRIMINAL website called BITMINE.FARM/BITMAIN .FARM  – I was manipulated by highly sophisticated scam artists and innocently lost many of my hard-earned life-savings.

2.       There are strong technical reasons that my money has been transferred to Hodltech OÜ/Coinpayments's accounts and wallets.

3.       Bitmine.farm has no external existence. It has no name and doesn't have a specific address or phone number.  This is just a scam website. (of course, when I was deceived, it stole the name of a famous company Bitmain.com).

I have to take legal action against Hodltech OÜ/Coinpayments’s company, because there is no third person or Company. With this evidence and in my opinion Hodltech OÜ/Coinpayments Company is equal to Bitmine.farm and my stolen money is in Hodltech OÜ/Coinpayments's accounts.

It seems that Hodltech OÜ/Coinpayments’s Company created Bitmine.farm’s website and deceives me and other people all over the world. If not, Hodltech OÜ/Coinpayments’s Company must prove otherwise by introducing the fraudsters to the law. But in any case,
Hodltech OÜ/Coinpayments has been an accomplice to the scam.
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October 22, 2020, 09:35:56 AM
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Coinpayments’s company advocates fraud, Hodltech OÜ/Coinpayments’s company is the accomplice of fraudsters as bitmine.farm scammer websites.
Coinpayments is a payment gateway just like paypal. If you expect them to refund you then you are wasting your time. Paypal has been used by scammers including Ponzi schemes to defraud people for years. Does it mean they are accomplices to fraudsters?

Welcome to the internet. If you can't even bother carrying out due diligence on a service you are going to send money to then do expect anyone else to do it for you.


In consultation with my lawyers, I decided to sue only against  Hodltech OÜ/Coinpayments’s company. The reasons and documents are clear. The obvious ones are as follows:

1.       I fell victim to an online FRAUDULENT CRIMINAL website called BITMINE.FARM/BITMAIN .FARM  – I was manipulated by highly sophisticated scam artists and innocently lost many of my hard-earned life-savings.
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It's not "highly sophisticated scam "as you claim. A simple search on google would have brought you to this warning before you sent money to them but you didn't care. You just handed your money over to the scammers and now there's nothing you can do about it except learn a lesson to be careful next time

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October 22, 2020, 10:20:54 AM
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Coinpayments.net's company has provided a payment gateway to the scammer.
From the point of view of the law, Coinpayment.net's company has done money laundering.
Coinpayments.net's company has entered illegal money into the exchange system.
Coinpayments.net's company is a way for stolen money to enter the online exchange system.
For example if I give my bank account to criminals to enter the stolen money into the banking system, Am I not an accomplice? Of course, I will be guilty.
Coinpayments.net's company has provided fraudulent tools to fraudsters and money laundering.
To make the payment gateway available, coinpayments.net have not examined the nature of Bitmine.farm's work and that their work is legitimate. Coinpayment.net's company must verify and verify the merchants' work licenses, but they did not do it, of course, is not surprising because Coinpayments.net's company are new companies in this field. and it makes more money in selling more, and it does not matter to it whether it is a legal activity or not. Be sure Coinpayments.net is a partner in crime, Coinpayments.net is considered an accomplice to the scam in this case.
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What impressed me to fraud were two things:

1. Using the Bitmain brand and numerous simulations of the Bitmain website and its products
(Bitmain is a reputable and well-known Chinese company)
CoinPayments.net knew the famous Bitmain brand (Bitmain.com), however, CoinPayments.net allowed Bitmain.farm/Bitmine.farm operators and fraudsters to abuse from this famous and reputable brand and they enabled payment gateways for fraudsters.

2. Shopping system with a very professional and advanced payment gateway, when a purchase was made, the money transfer was immediately identified in the blockchain and the product was immediately activated. All this showed that the professional payment’s system is behind this website (Bitmain.farm), not an ordinary person.

Investigation of wallet destination
I checked the wallet addresses where my money has went in www.walletexplorer.com. Surveys show that destination wallet are on www.CoinPayments.net
The above research shows that www.Bitmain.farm has been a scam with using www.CoinPayments.net  payment gateway.
CoinPayments’s company provides advanced payment industry tools to fraudulent companies so that no one suspects fraud.
Coinpayments’s Company easily breaks the rules and does not heed the advice of regulators and is not accountable.
This Company has to pay all the damages itself, not pass us to a fraudulent site that has no real indication) no correct address and phone). It is not clear whether Bitmine.farm exists externally. It is possible that Coinpayments.net itself is behind this story, because there is no information from the operators of Bitmine.farm site and all is incorrect.
I and thousands of others are complaining about Coinpayments.net
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October 22, 2020, 11:49:08 AM
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Before I say anything else, i want to make one thing perfectly clear: I don't want to start victim-blaming. You lost your lifesavings, and by any defenition of the word, you are the victim of a crime.
It's horrible to read somebody losing so much money to a scam, and there is no excuse whatsoever...


That being said, I do have some remarks on some of the things you said in your last 2 posts... I have no skin in this game, I'm not trying to piss you off, but i'm just offering an alternative view... When you are the vitcim, it's normal to see everything very black and white, but a judge will probably see more of a gray area, so it might be a good idear to read some alternative idears before you spend a lot of time and money pursuing the "wrong" person.

Last but not least: i'm not a lawyer, take nothing i say as legal advice! And on top of this, something illegal in country A might be perfectly fine (even socially acceptable) in country B!

Coinpayments.net's company has provided a payment gateway to the scammer.

100% in agreement

From the point of view of the law, Coinpayment.net's company has done money laundering.
Coinpayments.net's company has entered illegal money into the exchange system.
Coinpayments.net's company is a way for stolen money to enter the online exchange system.
For example if I give my bank account to criminals to enter the stolen money into the banking system, Am I not an accomplice? Of course, I will be guilty.
Coinpayments.net's company has provided fraudulent tools to fraudsters and money laundering.
Sure, in your IRL example: giving your bank account to a criminal, knowing that they'll use it to launder money is probably considered to be a crime in most of the civilised countries of the world.
HOWEVER, I'd personally argue that coinpayments is the bank, not somebody lending out the account for fraudulent purposes. They process transactions, hold people's funds, provide a gateway, exchange money, require KYC,... So, i think they should be seen as the banking institution. And if YOU give your account to a CRIMINAL to launder money, will the BANK be sued?
Offcourse, in this case, it might be argued that the bank didn't do it's due diligence... They should vet their account holders, process KYC properly and they should provide assistence to people that have been victimized by accounts that belong to clients of it's system... Coinpayment lacks in this department, and therefor you might have a valid argument, but the argument shouldn't be wether or not they're and accomplice, but rather if they shouldn't have put more effort in vetting their clients and making 100% sure the KYC info provided to them is valid...

To make the payment gateway available, coinpayments.net have not examined the nature of Bitmine.farm's work and that their work is legitimate. Coinpayment.net's company must verify and verify the merchants' work licenses, but they did not do it, of course, is not surprising because Coinpayments.net's company are new companies in this field. and it makes more money in selling more, and it does not matter to it whether it is a legal activity or not. Be sure Coinpayments.net is a partner in crime, Coinpayments.net is considered an accomplice to the scam in this case.
coinpayments is not new... Sure, they should have vetted their clients better, they should put more effort in KYC and they should help their client's victims... But like i said before, that's not the same as being an accomplice (at least, that's what my gut feeling tells me, once again: i'm not a lawyer)

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1. Using the Bitmain brand and numerous simulations of the Bitmain website and its products
(Bitmain is a reputable and well-known Chinese company)
CoinPayments.net knew the famous Bitmain brand (Bitmain.com), however, CoinPayments.net allowed Bitmain.farm/Bitmine.farm operators and fraudsters to abuse from this famous and reputable brand and they enabled payment gateways for fraudsters.
Well, that's basically part of the defenition of abusing someone's brand. I don't know why you'd be impressed just because they were able to steal logo's or images... It's pretty trivial to do so.
But once again, yes, coinpayments should have vetted their clients a bit better.

2. Shopping system with a very professional and advanced payment gateway, when a purchase was made, the money transfer was immediately identified in the blockchain and the product was immediately activated. All this showed that the professional payment’s system is behind this website (Bitmain.farm), not an ordinary person.
There are tons of scripts available... It isn't supprising to see a professional shopping cart system. One can roll out a professional looking webshops in a couple of hours. Many of these scripts even have plugins available for gateways like coinpayments. Easy-peasy...
The fact that the money transfer was immediately identified in the blockchain is trivial aswell, it has nothing to do with the scammers, that's just one of the basic principles of bitcoin... Decentralisation, immutability and trustlessnes... If you create a valid tx and broadcast it, it will be viewable on explorers.

Investigation of wallet destination
I checked the wallet addresses where my money has went in www.walletexplorer.com. Surveys show that destination wallet are on www.CoinPayments.net
The above research shows that www.Bitmain.farm has been a scam with using www.CoinPayments.net  payment gateway.
CoinPayments’s company provides advanced payment industry tools to fraudulent companies so that no one suspects fraud.
Coinpayments’s Company easily breaks the rules and does not heed the advice of regulators and is not accountable.
This Company has to pay all the damages itself, not pass us to a fraudulent site that has no real indication) no correct address and phone). It is not clear whether Bitmine.farm exists externally. It is possible that Coinpayments.net itself is behind this story, because there is no information from the operators of Bitmine.farm site and all is incorrect.
I and thousands of others are complaining about Coinpayments.net
I would certainly be very, very, very supprised if coinpayments had anything to do with the setup of a scam site. They just have to many clients and don't spend enough money on support, and on vetting and verifying their clients... That's about it.
Nobody will argue that the scam site used coinpayments as a payment gateway. Maybe you have a case if you want to prove coinpayments isn't using it's due diligence, nor do they provide a sufficient level of support.. But do you think a bank will reimburse you if you got scammed by somebody having an account with said bank? I seriously doubt it... They'll probably tell you to sue the scammer instead, and i would seriously doubt if any judge would ever tell said bank to reimburse the vicims of one of it's account holders.

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