how protests SHOULD be done

[franky1]

so in the last 6 months we have seen many protests. and most end up just turning into riots/media circuses but dont cause actual change. and here is the reason
many idiots think a protest is about causing a riot/damage to get media attention under the hope that they can blackmail government into changing laws just to get the property damage to stop.
sorry this never works

instead this scheme just makes the protests subject matter get lost in translation and appear like it only benefits radicalists and criminals, thus making it less likely to even be discussed in government.

so here is the way to really make it work.
weeks before a protest communicate with those people that want the subject matter addressed in government, and get them to sign a petition. actually get some notoriety on paper(petition website).
once you have got enough participants. then plan for the protest to be a peaceful presentation of the protest to the government. walk the streets and actually show respect for personal space and property.

it does not mean 1mill need to all travel to washington for just one protest. it can be 100k going to the 10 main states affected by the subject matter.
atleast getting some local representatives to acknowledge the petition at city town halls can add some credit to the petition. by saying its endorsed/favoured by local representatives. this then makes the senators more willing to take it onboard and sponsor/cosponsor it themselves
then when you feel like it has had local endorsement/favour. take it to washington and do a peaceful protest to present the petition there.
write out the petition like a draft bill format

by actually shouting 'we have petitions government' rather then 'we hate government' it then becomes governments job to do something and not just turn a blind eye
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so here it is
just showing 'we want X' 'we want Y' 'we hate government' and so on just gets the message lost in the crowd where government have no clue what people actually want
but if you plan out the needs of a certain subject matter. and actually explain solutions. and formulate it into a written request with 100k+ signatures confirming it. its not that easy to then have the government ignore it. it wont confuse them.

many idiots think the womens suffragettes just run around being radicals and damaging property. but they were not. that just media spin. they actually caused positive change by doing petitions and actually getting their message heard in government.

so dont just think 'if i turn up and chant.. things will change' they wont. it will just seem like your not being heard and some idiots then resort to violence thinking that will make them heard. again no.

governments like things on paper. lists of demands and desires in a nice easy to understand format that makes it clear what they can do to fulfil the desires

take police reform
just having idiots screaming 'defund the pigs' gets nothing
instead. listing what retraining police forces should offer. what certain arrest methods should be abolished(knee on head). and if police should even raise their gun on just suspicion or actual visual confirmation the suspect has a weapon in their hand pointing at the cop.(because in america just having a gun is not a crime so no one should be shot for just having a gun)

actually write down the desires and solutions. then get it recognised as a public desire by petition signatures. then get some higher up recognition/endorsement by local council/representatives.. then get it properly infront of the eyes of the whitehouse and congress
make it so there is no excuses to ignore or pretend they dont understand whats needed
dont make it just a frat street party

oh and to all those anonymous radicals. if you are too afraid to put your name forward to a cause that means something to you. maybe it doesnt mean that much after all. maybe you just want an excuse to get angry and destroy something. if so. just dont

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[BADecker]

When the people believe they have something to protest about, you should have done your due diligence before upsetting them.


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[Gyfts]

You are using too much logic and rationality to describe these protestors wanting their "police reform", or whatever the fuck that means. These rioters will use "police reform" as a blanket phrase in order to justify ACAB "all cops are bastards/pigs/Nazi's" logic. They essentially want to unload all their feelings about systemic racism, inequality, inequity, and blame it on the police who in reality don't have anything to do with the things rioters are advocating against.

You'll see here - https://6abc.com/walter-wallace-west-philly-shooting-philadelphia-police-locust-street/7394645/

Man was shot because he charged at police officers with a knife. It was caught on video, it was a justified shooting. Yet people hit the streets last night to riot/protest over a justified shooting. Do you think any of these people would petition for change? Would they coordinate and gather themselves, educate themselves over the issue, study policy, and advocate for change democratically? Or would they rather just through things at police and screech at the top of their lungs?

Unfortunately, it's the latter. We're going to rinse and repeat every time there's a shooting involving a black person.

[BADecker]

^^^ Shooting a person with a knife, who is charging police, is not logical. Police have money behind them. Develop a net-shooting gun to stop these idiots rather than shoot them.

It might be something that is logical for a non-police person who doesn't have access to methods to make a net-gun.

Just the same, in Arizona, if an average person shoots a guy with a knife who is attacking him, there will be debate. The self-defending shooter might wind up doing prison time for not protecting with a similar type of weapon as the attacker.

Why not the police, who can easily develop a net-gun for all people who don't have a gun?

[franky1]

anyways .. protests..

peaceful protests dont result in law changes
riot dont either
but getting recognition that a law needs to change on paper. whereby its backed up by a reasonable amount of the community and has some recognition/support by local representatives gets less ignored

yes police reform/retraining/re supply more effective but less lethal equipment is something that america needs to address. but there are many other causes too. and the tips in the main post can all use those tips.
even things like bitcoin regulations/freedoms. just shouting in forums/streets wont change anything.

you dont need expensive lobby groups. you dont even need a suite and a seat in congress. you just have to be more organised on presenting your cause in a better way then just chanting in the streets

[Savemore]

A protest should be done peacefully where in there is no protesters that are getting hurt and also the law enforcers that getting hurt. The protester should be also educate their selves because they are times that they are vandalizing some private property out there. There will be no casualties if the both side will understand each other, a lot of people nowadays are focusing in the negative sides where in they attract that energy that gives them energy to hate others. Protest are good because it symbolize freedom but it should be done properly. Law enforcers have also responsibility and it is to protect the citizen and understand what they are saying. They should be the one that help them and not to hurt them . There are some riots that are happening just because of small trigger and I think it is the reason why in the 1st place they should understand each other.   

[jrrsparkles]

No matter how peacefully a protest done,it will become a riot at the end so police and government will charge at the people and arrest them so these protest will come to an end without any conclusions.

Do you ever wondered why these are turning into riots? These are just turned into riot by the government itself with the help of impersonators in the middle of protests.

[bitcoinblog]

Majority of protest get violent due to Hijacking by adding anti-party or governments stooges. Their main aim is to make peaceful protest violent. So they either burn / throw stones / break properties and in result Police too was instructed to apply force.

This is really very hard work to keep your protest peaceful unless they are limited people. Once the protest take mass support that is the time when protest got hijacked.

I don't know how to keep it peaceful.

[Mauser]

so in the last 6 months we have seen many protests. and most end up just turning into riots/media circuses but dont cause actual change. and here is the reason
many idiots think a protest is about causing a riot/damage to get media attention under the hope that they can blackmail government into changing laws just to get the property damage to stop.
sorry this never works

I fully agree with you, this form of protesting is not about changing the system you live in, the riots are all about destruction and personal gain. The people looting are outright thieves and should be treated as such. They are not interested in changing their country, only in breaking things. And just look at the all the people they are hurting. Imagine one of your family member gets attacked by the riot, or their business is getting destroyed. Do you thing your family is going to vote for Democrats? These riots just make it worse. Already Mahatma Gandhi understand that protest needs to be peaceful.

[TwitchySeal]

so in the last 6 months we have seen many protests. and most end up just turning into riots/media circuses

Not true.

Over the summer there were more than 8,000 protests, 94% of them resulted in zero violence or destruction. 


https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/

Despite what you may hear politicians claim or see in the media, the vast majority of recent protests in America were peaceful.

[Gyfts]

so in the last 6 months we have seen many protests. and most end up just turning into riots/media circuses

Not true.

Over the summer there were more than 8,000 protests, 94% of them resulted in zero violence or destruction. 

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Despite what you may hear politicians claim or see in the media, the vast majority of recent protests in America were peaceful.

Ted Bundy was also 99% peaceful for this life. The only times he was violent was the 1% where he was viscously murdering and women and shoving knifes into their necks. Clearly a peaceful man behind a peaceful cause! 

And btw, your source reads like it was written by a left wing think tank. I stopped reading when it tried to make the argument that things weren't going to shit in Portland because the rioting that's gone on for months on end is only limited to certain "blocks of the city". What a joke. Not like a federal court house was sieged upon for weeks or anything. Not like the Portland DA is a coward and is dropping all charges filed against rioters meaning they get arrested, released, not charged, and back on to rioting.

I can't even find the methodology they used to determine what was considered peaceful and what wasn't. Perhaps I didn't read it close enough (I probably didn't). Large number of police forces in the U.S. were just told to fall back and not arrest rioters causing damages so we don't even have the data to work with.

And ironically enough, you say this as people are currently rioting and looting in Philadelphia over yet AGAIN another justified shooting of a black man. Is it not tiresome to see this trash happen over and over again? Or is it the polices' fault still? 

[TwitchySeal]

Ted Bundy was also 99% peaceful for this life. The only times he was violent was the 1% where he was viscously murdering and women and shoving knifes into their necks. Clearly a peaceful man behind a peaceful cause!  

Not the best analogy since the issue here is inaccurately generalizing millions of people, and Ted Bundy is only one person.  But with that aside, if someone said "Ted Bundy was violent for most of his life.", they would also be wrong, just like eddie.

And btw, your source reads like it was written by a left wing think tank. I stopped reading when it tried to make the argument that things weren't going to shit in Portland because the rioting that's gone on for months on end is only limited to certain "blocks of the city". What a joke. Not like a federal court house was sieged upon for weeks or anything. Not like the Portland DA is a coward and is dropping all charges filed against rioters meaning they get arrested, released, not charged, and back on to rioting.

I can't even find the methodology they used to determine what was considered peaceful and what wasn't. Perhaps I didn't read it close enough (I probably didn't). Large number of police forces in the U.S. were just told to fall back and not arrest rioters causing damages so we don't even have the data to work with.

And ironically enough, you say this as people are currently rioting and looting in Philadelphia over yet AGAIN another justified shooting of a black man. Is it not tiresome to see this trash happen over and over again? Or is it the polices' fault still?  

Are you trying to say that I'm wrong, and most of the protests actually did turn into riots?

I'm aware of the violent protests and not trying to say that they aren't an issue.   I'm not defending the violence and crime, or even the BLM movement.  In case it's not clear, I'm defending the peaceful protestors that are being painted as violent criminals.  

[Gyfts]

Not the best analogy since the issue here is inaccurately generalizing millions of people, and Ted Bundy is only one person.  But with that aside, if someone said "Ted Bundy was violent for most of his life.", they would also be wrong, just like eddie

So according to you, if someone said Ted Bundy was a violent person, this would be a false statement?

BLM is a violent organization, and their protests have been violent. I don't mind treating them as a monolithic because the these protests have all been promoting the same message. Maybe you might disagree.

It's such a horrible take to play semantics and calculate all the BLM demonstrations, then make some percentage using the minority that went violent to paint this picture that its been a peaceful movement. If we're using that as a metric, we might as well use the same logic and call Ted Bundy as a mostly non-violent guy.

Are you trying to say that I'm wrong, and most of the protests actually did turn into riots?

I'm aware of the violent protests and not trying to say that they aren't an issue.   I'm not defending the violence and crime, or even the BLM movement.  In case it's not clear, I'm defending the peaceful protestors that are being painted as violent criminals.  

You're right, it's just a REALLY bad take. These protests have been violent in nature when looking at the totality of what went on from May 25th to now so when someone says "mostly", it's not as if they are talking about all individual protests tallied up. They treat them collectively.

Also, what sort of metrics was your source using? Did it account for how large violent demonstrations were? Did it account for lack of arrest records? How did they measure the extent of the violence, and was it weighed heavier compared to a smaller non-violent demonstration? Too many uncertainties to whip up a percentage.

I don't think you're defending violence and crimes, but you shouldn't be defending these BLM protestors in the midst of the rioting/looting knee jerk reaction in response to literally every shooting of a black man. Not saying all the BLM protestors are engaged in crime obviously, they just continue to push really shitty ideas.

[franky1]

my point is even peaceful protests alone dont change laws. they are just street parties. they have about as much power as tailgate parties outside the stadium have power on actual football games.
people think the chanting affects the game. but really money and decisions on the pitch affect the game more
yea you get to see a bunch of people who are a fan of a certain team. but it doesnt change the score of the game

this lack of change can lead to frustration and then cause people think they are not being seen. and thus they decide to revolt and can cause trouble hoping it will get them some attention/notoriety.
much like football yobs/mobs

having gatherings/tailgate parties dont change whats happening inside senate/stadiums
government/footballers still function whether there are citizens/fans or not. fans just need to buy season tickets but are not required to turn up for football to continue
citizens just need to pay tax but are not required to vote/protest for government to continue

so what needs to be done is more then just gather/party/chant. you actually need to contract a government to change. which involves petitions and getting some congress/senate/presidential acknowledgement/pledge.. then hold them to it

so dont waste weeks just planning a gathering/party. spend them weeks gathering names of people that want change.


as for gyfts assumption that BLM is a violent group. no. BLM are a mass group of individuals with different levels of desire/peace-frustration/anger

when the angry members protest. they dont want peace they dont want petitions they just want criminal damage
when the peaceful members protest. they dont want anger, they dont want petitions they just want to party/gather
they both miss the point. unite and petition and get government to acknowledge and pledge for change

walking the streets peacefully or violently wont get governments to act

[TwitchySeal]

Not the best analogy since the issue here is inaccurately generalizing millions of people, and Ted Bundy is only one person.  But with that aside, if someone said "Ted Bundy was violent for most of his life.", they would also be wrong, just like eddie

So according to you, if someone said Ted Bundy was a violent person, this would be a false statement?

No.  

According to you, if Ted Bundy was also a BLM protestor, would that make BLM protestors serial killers?

Would you get mad if someone said 'Only Ted Bundy is a serial killer, not the rest of them'?

This isn't a 'BLM is good/bad' debate.  All I'm saying is that by far, most of the protests are peaceful.  

The ACLED has been tracking civil unrest around the world for a while.  They do a pretty good job at explaining how they collect and organize their data.   This will answer all your questions: ACLED Methodology and Coding Decisions around Political
Violence and Demonstrations in the United States of America

If you have a better source, let me know.

[Gyfts]

No.  

According to you, if Ted Bundy was also a BLM protestor, would that make BLM protestors serial killers?

Would you get mad if someone said 'Only Ted Bundy is a serial killer, not the rest of them'?

This isn't a 'BLM is good/bad' debate.  All I'm saying is that by far, most of the protests are peaceful.

No, according to you, Ted Bundy was 99% peaceful if you want to use the same logic and claim 94% of BLM protests were peaceful. Ted Bundy is a monolithic, and BLM is a monolithic. Why? Because each one of these protests are projecting the same exact message.

The ACLED has been tracking civil unrest around the world for a while.  They do a pretty good job at explaining how they collect and organize their data.   This will answer all your questions: ACLED Methodology and Coding Decisions around Political
Violence and Demonstrations in the United States of America

If you have a better source, let me know.

Ohh, now I get it.

Why your source is worthless. This is what they constitute as not BLM related.

ACLED does not code BLM as an associated actor when:
● the demonstration concerns police brutality in general (without a racial element);
● when the demonstration concerns police brutality against another identity group (e.g.
Latinx);
● when the demonstration concerns the police killing of a specific person who is not Black; or
● when the demonstration concerns other issues related to racial tensions or racial inequality.

BLM was an organization that was founded on the killing of Trayvon Martin, a non-police involved shooting in which the BLM was protesting on issues related to racial tensions and inequality. So I have no clue what the last bullet point is suppose to mean.

As if anyone cared enough to go out in the streets and protest about police brutality post George Floyd's death. Gee, guess we can't link this to BLM. Crazy.

I'm not going to bother spending much more time reading 19 pages but, at a glance, I did not see a discussion on how they weigh events. Ie- a BLM protest of 50 in some local town that was non-violent -- does this count as one tally the same as a Portland riot causing tens of thousands of dollars worth of damage, comprised of 300 people?

And it's worth noting that this study will be thrown in the trash where it belongs when Chauvin and crew get acquitted. We really haven't seen much yet.

I'll just finish with this. Again, horrible take saying 94% of these protests were peaceful. Practically all the left wing news sites ran with this study, conveniently ignoring the 2 billion dollar price tag of damages left behind.

[Dorodha]

It is only natural that the government will suppress any tension provocation which is harmful to life and property. But when that repression is unilateral it is dangerous for the nation demonstrations or public outrage must be handled 6 But we have to go to the root of that dissatisfaction Identify the problem and solve it for the welfare of the people If it is not done, that anger will resurface again 6 at a time If the government does everything right the protests will come down a lot.

[Natsuu]

~~SNIP~~

As if anyone cared enough to go out in the streets and protest about police brutality post George Floyd's death. Gee, guess we can't link this to BLM. Crazy.

I'm not going to bother spending much more time reading 19 pages but, at a glance, I did not see a discussion on how they weigh events. Ie- a BLM protest of 50 in some local town that was non-violent -- does this count as one tally the same as a Portland riot causing tens of thousands of dollars worth of damage, comprised of 300 people?

And it's worth noting that this study will be thrown in the trash where it belongs when Chauvin and crew get acquitted. We really haven't seen much yet.

I'll just finish with this. Again, horrible take saying 94% of these protests were peaceful. Practically all the left wing news sites ran with this study, conveniently ignoring the 2 billion dollar price tag of damages left behind.

Regarding your comment in the first and second sentences, you did know that the protest doesn't just happen in a few cities, big or small, right? here is a link for some of the protests in different places you didn't know. https://www.cntraveler.com/gallery/black-lives-matter-protests-around-the-world These protests right here is peaceful and not the way you other cities interpret. In addition, you did know that there is information circulating around the internet regarding police disguising as protesters just to destroy things and make things look ugly. There is also information that they pay cash for people to do some things to spark some riots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D47p7Yv77Mw
https://www.newsbreak.com/district-of-columbia/washington/news/1575364433906/undercover-cop-dressed-as-protester-caught-exiting-unmarked-police-vehicle-occupied-by-two-other-ucs

In regards to the OP, protests are meant to be loud and noticeable. Paperworks are handed to the authorities before the protests that includes the reasons, and issues they want to take light and have a reasonable justice.

[Crptomagma]

Yes it’s important we bring these topic to the understanding of everyone, lots of catastrophe has been recorded in different protests. That was supposed to be a peaceful protest. Sometimes many people joining the protests don’t even know the aim of the demonstrations so they capitalize on that process to damage properties and sometimes resulting to lose of lives. They think protests is a time to vandalize government properties, social amenities and cause troubles on the street and with all these illegal acts they still want the government to intervene and grant their request.

There are lots of unjust activities going on in the political system of many countries in the world and the citizens are not finding the condition funny anymore,  situations like these the people needs to protest to cry out to the government and seek for other bodies to come to their rescue. And these can only be achieved with a peaceful protest not causing damages. I think people should be oriented about the purpose of protest and protesters should be guided by the police during these demonstrations to ensure peace and serenity in the environment.

[Gyfts]

~~SNIP~~

As if anyone cared enough to go out in the streets and protest about police brutality post George Floyd's death. Gee, guess we can't link this to BLM. Crazy.

I'm not going to bother spending much more time reading 19 pages but, at a glance, I did not see a discussion on how they weigh events. Ie- a BLM protest of 50 in some local town that was non-violent -- does this count as one tally the same as a Portland riot causing tens of thousands of dollars worth of damage, comprised of 300 people?

And it's worth noting that this study will be thrown in the trash where it belongs when Chauvin and crew get acquitted. We really haven't seen much yet.

I'll just finish with this. Again, horrible take saying 94% of these protests were peaceful. Practically all the left wing news sites ran with this study, conveniently ignoring the 2 billion dollar price tag of damages left behind.

Regarding your comment in the first and second sentences, you did know that the protest doesn't just happen in a few cities, big or small, right? here is a link for some of the protests in different places you didn't know. https://www.cntraveler.com/gallery/black-lives-matter-protests-around-the-world These protests right here is peaceful and not the way you other cities interpret. In addition, you did know that there is information circulating around the internet regarding police disguising as protesters just to destroy things and make things look ugly. There is also information that they pay cash for people to do some things to spark some riots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D47p7Yv77Mw
https://www.newsbreak.com/district-of-columbia/washington/news/1575364433906/undercover-cop-dressed-as-protester-caught-exiting-unmarked-police-vehicle-occupied-by-two-other-ucs

In regards to the OP, protests are meant to be loud and noticeable. Paperworks are handed to the authorities before the protests that includes the reasons, and issues they want to take light and have a reasonable justice.

What goes on in other countries doesn't concern me. The George Floyd incident took place in the U.S., and that's where most of the violence originated.

No, I do not believe this George Soros "pay rioters to riot" bullshit. This paid actor conspiracy circulated in 2016 too. Wasn't true then, it isn't now.