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January 02, 2021, 12:05:51 AM
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Thanks guys for explaining me. I remember that maybe 10 years I was wondering why images in emails is disabled by default. I didn't understood how it can be privacy issue. So, now it's good to finally know exact answer why it can be dangerous.
@Pmalek, it's not just Hotmail or Yahoo, but also Gmail and probably all others more or less popular email providers by default have disabled images in spam folder.




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January 14, 2021, 05:57:44 PM
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My friend just sent me the new email he received. I am laughing about it, but I can understand how some people might find this frightening.
The email begins by stating his name, address and phone number. The image below shows the beautifully crafted content that comes after. For some reason I can't copy/paste the email here. The pasted content becomes some gibberish. Pasting it into Word and changing the font doesn't work either.



What is not it?
How do you know how much crypto I have. You should have included my addresses to be more convincing.

Does anyone know what kind of font/formatting this is and why can't it be copy-pasted in a post on Bitcointalk?
I tried to look up those addresses on a block explorer, but they either don't exist or whatever font/formatting/encoding he used messed it all up. Neither of the two addresses can be copy/pasted into a block explorer after removing the special characters.

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Does anyone know what kind of font/formatting this is and why can't it be copy-pasted in a post on Bitcointalk?
I tried to look up those addresses on a block explorer, but they either don't exist or whatever font/formatting/encoding he used messed it all up. Neither of the two addresses can be copy/pasted into a block explorer after removing the special characters.

It is difficult (if not impossible) to determine the encoding based only on a screenshot. Have you tried copy/paste on pastebin or put in [ code ] tags?

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January 15, 2021, 01:32:29 PM
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I have tried both. The message can be pasted on pastebin, but if you try to copy it from there to paste on the forum, it doesn't work.
I have put the addresses in quote and code tags. Take a look. It stays completely blank.

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𝚋𝚌𝟷𝚚𝚐𝟺𝚕𝚐𝚠𝚓𝚐𝚟𝟸𝚢𝚏𝚏𝚐𝚣𝚙𝚍𝚓𝚣𝚢𝚎𝚙𝟿𝚟𝚡𝚓𝚣𝟿𝚗𝟺𝟸𝚚𝚢𝚚𝚜𝚜𝟹𝚗𝚚
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And here is how it looks when you copy/paste the message in a post:

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𝚃𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚒𝚝. 𝙸 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚢𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚊𝚋𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞.

𝙸𝚗 𝚊𝚍𝚍𝚒𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗, 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚑𝚊𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚖𝚊𝚒𝚗𝚝𝚊𝚒𝚗 𝚊 𝚐𝚘𝚘𝚍 𝚊𝚖𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚝 𝚘𝚏 𝚌𝚛𝚢𝚙𝚝𝚘. 𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚊𝚋𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚗𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 (𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚘𝚛𝚎) 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚕𝚘𝚌𝚊𝚕 𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚊 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚊.

𝙳𝚘 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚛𝚢 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚢𝚎𝚝! 𝙱𝚞𝚝, 𝚒𝚏 𝙸 𝚘𝚌𝚌𝚞𝚛 𝚝𝚘 𝚍𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜, 𝚌𝚊𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚒𝚖𝚊𝚐𝚒𝚗𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚙𝚘𝚜𝚜𝚒𝚋𝚕𝚎 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚌𝚎𝚚𝚞𝚎𝚗𝚌𝚎𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚌𝚊𝚗 𝚑𝚊𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚘𝚗𝚎𝚜?

𝚃𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚒𝚏𝚢𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚛𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝? 𝙱𝚞𝚝, 𝚒𝚝 𝚍𝚘𝚎𝚜𝚗'𝚝 𝚗𝚎𝚎𝚍𝚜 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚠𝚊𝚢. 𝙸 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚊 𝚠𝚊𝚢 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜.

𝚂𝚎𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚎 𝚎𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝟶.𝟹 𝙱𝚃𝙲 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚌𝟷𝚚𝚐𝟺𝚕𝚐𝚠𝚓𝚐𝚟𝟸𝚢𝚏𝚏𝚐𝚣𝚙𝚍𝚓𝚣𝚢𝚎𝚙𝟿𝚟𝚡𝚓𝚣𝟿𝚗𝟺𝟸𝚚𝚢𝚚𝚜𝚜^^𝟹𝚗𝚚 𝚘𝚛 𝟷𝟶 𝙴𝚃𝙷 𝚝𝚘 𝟶𝚡𝟹𝚍𝟸𝟺𝟸𝟿𝟽𝟺𝟺𝟾𝚎𝙰𝙳𝟷𝟼𝟷^^𝚊𝟷𝙳𝟺𝙱𝟿𝟹𝟼𝟼𝟷𝚊𝟶𝚌𝟷𝟸𝟷𝚎𝟽𝟼𝚋𝚎𝟶𝟶𝚋 [𝙲𝙰𝚂𝙴-𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚜𝚒𝚝𝚒𝚟𝚎, 𝚌𝚘𝚙𝚢 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚙𝚊𝚜𝚝𝚎 𝚒𝚝, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚛𝚎𝚖𝚘𝚟𝚎 ^^ 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚒𝚝] 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚗𝚎𝚡𝚝 𝚝𝚠𝚎𝚗𝚝𝚢 𝚏𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝙸 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚙𝚞𝚝 𝚊 𝚜𝚝𝚘𝚙 𝚘𝚗 𝚖𝚢 𝚙𝚕𝚊𝚗. 𝚈𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚜𝚘𝚗𝚊𝚕 𝚍𝚊𝚝𝚊 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚋𝚎 𝚎𝚛𝚊𝚜𝚎𝚍 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝙸 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚊𝚕𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛.

𝙸𝚏 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚜𝚘𝚗, 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚏𝚊𝚒𝚕 𝚝𝚘 𝚏𝚞𝚕𝚏𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚖𝚢 𝚍𝚎𝚖𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚒𝚗 𝚗𝚎𝚡𝚝 𝚃𝚠𝚎𝚗𝚝𝚢-𝚏𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚜, 𝙸 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚌𝚎𝚛𝚝𝚊𝚒𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚖𝚘𝚟𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚠𝚊𝚛𝚍 𝚊𝚕𝚘𝚗𝚐 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚖𝚢 𝚙𝚕𝚊𝚗 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚗𝚘 𝚖𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 𝚠𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚑𝚊𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚗𝚜 𝚗𝚎𝚡𝚝 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚋𝚎 𝚘𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞.

𝙸 𝚑𝚘𝚙𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚍𝚘 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚛𝚞𝚒𝚗 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚢 𝚕𝚒𝚝𝚝𝚕𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚏 𝚋𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚛𝚘𝚗𝚐 𝚌𝚑𝚘𝚒𝚌𝚎.

Edit: Wow, that's freaky. The message actually displays just fine. But clicking on the preview button doesn't work.

This is what I get when previewing the message before posting it.


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January 15, 2021, 01:50:44 PM
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Those characters are unicode, which is why they don't show up in preview. The same is true of any unicode, such as custom emojis like this one - 😀

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But it's "OK"... Ledger are now going to delete all our personal data "as fast as possible": https://www.ledger.com/blog/update-efforts-to-protect-your-data-and-prosecute-the-scammers

I assume that includes the data of the extra 20,000 victims of the Shopify leak that have come to light Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Those characters are unicode, which is why they don't show up in preview. The same is true of any unicode, such as custom emojis like this one - 😀
All right, thanks for explaining o_e_l_e_o!

But it's "OK"... Ledger are now going to delete all our personal data "as fast as possible"
It is really a ridiculous report. Ledger deleting customer's personal data after a huge leak is like starting to wear condoms for your own protection after being infected with AIDS. Very useful.

I assume that includes the data of the extra 20,000 victims of the Shopify leak that have come to light Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
I don't think Ledger can be held responsible for the data that Shopify customer service reps stole. Some people are suggesting they are. They can be held responsible for using and trusting Shopify with their customer's private data, but not what happens on Shopify.

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Those characters are unicode, which is why they don't show up in preview. The same is true of any unicode, such as custom emojis like this one - 😀

But why would people with bad intention do it? Wouldn't it makes the email more likely filtered by spam filter feature?

But it's "OK"... Ledger are now going to delete all our personal data "as fast as possible": https://www.ledger.com/blog/update-efforts-to-protect-your-data-and-prosecute-the-scammers

At least it's useful for Ledger customer who're not affected by previous data leaks and future Ledger customer, assuming they actually and successfully do it.

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Those characters are unicode, which is why they don't show up in preview. The same is true of any unicode, such as custom emojis like this one - 😀

But why would people with bad intention do it? Wouldn't it makes the email more likely filtered by spam filter feature?
Possibly the opposite depending on how advanced the spam filter is. By making it unicode, it's possible that a lot of the more basic "keyword" type spam filters will be unable to actually scan the message.

It is a strange tactic tho... because it seems like their instructions to copy/paste and remove the ^^'s might fail if you try and copy/paste the message into apps that don't support unicode characters etc.


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At least it's useful for Ledger customer who're not affected by previous data leaks and future Ledger customer, assuming they actually and successfully do it.
And also something they should have been doing from the very start... or at least encrypting stored data Roll Eyes They should know that... I mean, they work in the "cryptosphere" FFS! Roll Eyes

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January 17, 2021, 09:25:27 AM
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But why would people with bad intention do it? Wouldn't it makes the email more likely filtered by spam filter feature?
Possibly the opposite depending on how advanced the spam filter is. By making it unicode, it's possible that a lot of the more basic "keyword" type spam filters will be unable to actually scan the message.

That makes sense

It is a strange tactic tho... because it seems like their instructions to copy/paste and remove the ^^'s might fail if you try and copy/paste the message into apps that don't support unicode characters etc.

I tried creating watch only wallet by copy the address from @Pmalek post and as you expected, it's failed. But at least few people will have second thought not to send the Bitcoin to scammer.

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At least it's useful for Ledger customer who're not affected by previous data leaks and future Ledger customer, assuming they actually and successfully do it.
And also something they should have been doing from the very start... or at least encrypting stored data Roll Eyes They should know that... I mean, they work in the "cryptosphere" FFS! Roll Eyes

Ledger prove working on certain field doesn't you're expert on that field or use it outside their core business.

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March 13, 2021, 07:34:07 AM
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It seems that the situation with phishing emails is slowing down. Me and my friend haven't seen any new scamming attempts for weeks. But the scammers aren't asleep and they are trying new things. I just noticed one example that ended up in a spam folder on an email address that is not connected with my Ledger purchase. The mail was sent 2 days ago.   

They are now expanding the scope of their activities to Trezor users hoping that the same group that purchased Ledger hardware wallets, own Trezor devices as well. The content of the email is pretty much the same. Customers are informed that Trezor servers have been hacked and infected with malware. To prevent the loss of funds, they instruct users to download updated software and input their seed phrases.


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April 27, 2021, 05:21:54 PM
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So someone mentioned there was a leak of a few hundred dollar thousand addresses.  Is there a link to this? 


Then again, having an article or link that shows the addresses of everyone... how is that good at all?


Anyone check that site and tell me if their address was on there or not?
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There is a "Search engine" for the database leak here: https://www.argent.xyz/ledgerhack/

You simply enter your email address associated with your Ledger purchase and it will tell you if:

a. it didn't find that email address at all
b. it found only your email address in the leaked data
c. it found your email address and other details like address and phone number etc in the leaked data

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There is a "Search engine" for the database leak here: https://www.argent.xyz/ledgerhack/

You simply enter your email address associated with your Ledger purchase and it will tell you if:

a. it didn't find that email address at all
b. it found only your email address in the leaked data
c. it found your email address and other details like address and phone number etc in the leaked data


Thanks for that information.  But its for sure putting your email here won't do anything bad to it right? 


Im curious but for people here... did most of you found your email address leaked or not and if some of you had other things like address and phone number leak?  I mean... email isn't that big of a deal... but then again if you keep getting ledger scam emails, isn' it obviously your email was leaked?


And obviously phone leak is not that bad... but address leak is obviously the worst etc.
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April 27, 2021, 11:16:14 PM
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They say they won't store your email address... at worst, they might be creating their own list of "ledger owner email addresses"... at best they're doing the community a favour. Up to you to decide if you trust them or not. Tongue

Email address isn't a "huge" deal... they're easy enough to change and/or filter... you'll just get spam... and likely face hacking attempts on your email accounts (make sure your passwords are strong!)

Phone number is relatively annoying... no so easy to change and/or filter... people are being bombarded with texts and robo-calls. Also, opens you up to the possibility of "sim swap" attack, so any SMS based 2FA could be at risk.

Address is "dangerous"... at the very extreme, you could potentially face the threat of home invasion. Undecided

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April 28, 2021, 10:14:22 AM
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But its for sure putting your email here won't do anything bad to it right? 
Security-wise, nothing can happen to your email address if you enter it there or on sites like haveibeenpwned. It might not be the best thing to do from a privacy perspective. Whoever created the site can connect anyone who enters his email there as being an owner of a Ledger device. Why else would you search his database?

Have you received targeted phishing emails already? If you have, your data has probably been leeked. If not, no reason to search the database because if your info was public somewhere, I doubt you could have gone this far without receiving some kind of crap. What this source can show you is if only your email got leeked, or more of your private info.

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But its for sure putting your email here won't do anything bad to it right? 
Security-wise, nothing can happen to your email address if you enter it there or on sites like haveibeenpwned. It might not be the best thing to do from a privacy perspective. Whoever created the site can connect anyone who enters his email there as being an owner of a Ledger device. Why else would you search his database?

Have you received targeted phishing emails already? If you have, your data has probably been leeked. If not, no reason to search the database because if your info was public somewhere, I doubt you could have gone this far without receiving some kind of crap. What this source can show you is if only your email got leeked, or more of your private info.


Yes i know about that on the haveibeenpwned site.  But i wonder if entering email address on the one hcp posted would be good or not because wouldn't they record any email address typed in though even though it says it won't?  Like if someone enters an email address on that site...its because well they want to see if their info is there which mean they own a ledger.  So you are saying anyone that put their email address in it... surely that person can see every email entered right?


I received targeting phishing emails a while back... the ones where it say we see your ledger has been logged in russia or some country like that etc.  Also i receive ton of crypto like spam email... but its possibly that is coincidence?  I got to assume maybe even regular people receive ton of that spam mail nowadays?


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April 29, 2021, 07:25:45 AM
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Also i receive ton of crypto like spam email... but its possibly that is coincidence?  I got to assume maybe even regular people receive ton of that spam mail nowadays?
My partner, who knows pretty much nothing about crypto (other than the fact that some of my crypto bought her some amazon giftcards for her B'day Tongue) gets emails every other day about Doge or Crypto.com or "DeFi" or <insert crypto "scam" here> etc... Roll Eyes

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Also i receive ton of crypto like spam email... but its possibly that is coincidence?  I got to assume maybe even regular people receive ton of that spam mail nowadays?
My partner, who knows pretty much nothing about crypto (other than the fact that some of my crypto bought her some amazon giftcards for her B'day Tongue) gets emails every other day about Doge or Crypto.com or "DeFi" or <insert crypto "scam" here> etc... Roll Eyes

And I get emails that I have watched adult movies and they recorded it on webcam. But that can't be possible because I don't have a Webcam.......at that PC.  Cheesy
Once the scammers have your email adress you get bombarded with spam emails.

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April 29, 2021, 10:41:00 AM
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But i wonder if entering email address on the one hcp posted would be good or not because wouldn't they record any email address typed in though even though it says it won't?
That is a possibility, yes. No one can tell you that with certainty. Only the owner of the site can, and he can lie about it. If you think your data has been leeked, make a search to see what exactly is out there. But don't do it just to cure your curiosity. 

I received targeting phishing emails a while back... the ones where it say we see your ledger has been logged in russia or some country like that etc.
That's different. Spam mails like that were sent even before the Ledger hack. Have you received the type of emails described in this thread? The ones telling you your assets are at risk, and you need to download a new version of the LL software?

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