Merit source isn't giving merit to local board because he thought it's bias.

[DoubleAweSeven]

3 lang ang Source sa pagkakaalam ko,

Ako na nag apply,
Dabs na Dating Mod
Mr. Big Global Mod

ang Mod kasi alam ko automatic na Source sila, pero as local MS ako lang talaga, actually hindi ako makapag bigay dito katulad ng dati dahil iilan n lang ulit ang activity. Muntik ko ng maipon ung 183 na allocation ko,ngayon nasa 100+ na ulit,...
Much better kasi na dumami ulit ang activity para yung iba eh mag post din dito, halos pare parehong users na lang kasi ang nakikita ko, kaya hindi muna ako nagbibigay baka kasi mapansin at masabi na bias, na kesyo sila sila lang nabibigyan.

Basically, he said that he is not giving merits to our local board because of lack of activity and he said that he is seeing almost the same faces who does quality post in our board. He said that he will not give merits because he is afraid that people might call him bias because he merits this same faces who does quality post. So basically, even if a post is worth a merit, he won't give any just because he is afraid.

Now I ask this, as a merit source, is it really justice to not give merits to those who deserves it just because this merit source will be branded as bias?
Quality post should be encourage right? Why isn't he giving merits to those who deserves it then? Why does he have to hoard those merits just because of lack of activity? Just because we lack activity, does that mean we don't deserve that merit?

Also, isn't better to give those merits so the merit circulation would continue and that those deserving users can have smerits to merit others who deserves it?

Take note, he said in that post that he have 100+ merits. You can also see our local board (which is the Pilipinas) has the worst merit activity in the whole forum. based on this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5284442.msg55467730#msg55467730

I need the opinions of other merit sources here.

[Little Mouse]

Of course everyone should give merit who deserves them regardless of the frequency. The things he is mentioning isn't appropriate but his reasoning is also logical as we recently see a case like that.
If cabalism13 agrees a post worth merit but doesn't give merit to that post, I think that's bias, meriting them can't be bias.

[cabalism13]

LoL,...

can't blame you if you didn't get my point on that post.
Tagalog pa naman.


As for all:

halos pare parehong users na lang kasi ang nakikita ko, kaya hindi muna ako nagbibigay baka kasi mapansin at masabi na bias, na kesyo sila sila lang nabibigyan.

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I've been seeing the same users over and over again, that's why i intend to make a pause on giving them their Merits, for it might get a bad impression of being biased just because they're the only ones who keeps on getting Merits.


I am a Local Merit Source, and also I never did say about stopping and hoarding my sMerits LoL. My suggestion to OP is make a research before judging anyone.

I think that's bias, meriting them can't be bias.

depends on how frequent they received it from me.
(now where did I see suchmoon's post about Meriting someone, might use it here LoL) 😂

[DoubleAweSeven]

LoL,...

can't blame you if you didn't get my point on that post.
Tagalog pa naman.

Explain it then. I quoted what you said and people can see what you posted there so there's nothing to hide here.

As for all:

halos pare parehong users na lang kasi ang nakikita ko, kaya hindi muna ako nagbibigay baka kasi mapansin at masabi na bias, na kesyo sila sila lang nabibigyan.

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I've been seeing the same users over and over again, that's why i intend to make a pause on giving them their Merits, for it might get a bad impression of being biased just because they're the only ones who keeps on getting Merits.

You are basically saying that you aren't giving merits to those who deserve it then, just because people might get the impression of you being biased. How is that fair for those users who deserves it?

I am a Local Merit Source, and also I never did say about stopping and hoarding my sMerits LoL. My suggestion to OP is make a research before judging anyone.

So you basically said you pause meriting from our local board.

Muntik ko ng maipon ung 183 na allocation ko,ngayon nasa 100+ na ulit,...

It means you are hoarding your smerits. You even said that it almost reach 183. How is this not hoarding merit when you are a merit source then? what are you going to do with 100+ merits then? what you gonna make them egg so they multiply?

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] (Thank you mod)

[cabalism13]

...tldr...

If you have some complaint against me being a Source, write a Message to theymos.
If you feel like there are tons of posts that needs to be Merited, Apply as a Source or use LoyceV's thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.0

I don't need to explain everything to you. DYOR.
But I doubt, you can't even get my point even it's on our own language, what's more if it's in English. LoL.

(my last reply, btw)

And please, learn to edit your post and refrain from double posting.

[DoubleAweSeven]

...tldr...

If you have some complaint against me being a Source, write a Message to theymos.
If you feel like there are tons of posts that needs to be Merited, Apply as a Source or use LoyceV's thread.

I don't need to explain everything to you. DYOR.
But I doubt, you can't even get my point even it's on our own language, what's more if it's in English. LoL.

(my last reply, btw)

Do you even get my point? Why are you not meriting people who deserves merit just because we lack activity in Pilipinas? If they really deserve it, then you wouldn't be branded as bias, right?

If a post is really of high quality, then people wouldn't question why you merit it in the first place. You've applied as a merit source because you know what are quality posts, right? why are you so afraid if people will question it just because you are meriting the same users who does quality posts?

If they really deserve it, then why not merit them? why do you have to pause just because we lack activity in Pilipinas? what does lacking in activity in our local board got to do with meriting deserving post?

You can't even explain this simple things.

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Hayz kapwa pinoy pero hindi magawang ma merit kahit na deserving nila. Iba talaga pinoy. Utak alimango basta sa kapwa pinoy.
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[The Sceptical Chymist]

Now I ask this, as a merit source, is it really justice to not give merits to those who deserves it just because this merit source will be branded as bias?

On a local board, I would think it'd be hard to avoid meriting the same posters over and over--outstanding posters are like big fish and a fairly small pond, and I do think the good posts should be merited, even if it might result in the appearance of the merit source being biased. 

Quality post should be encourage right? Why isn't he giving merits to those who deserves it then? Why does he have to hoard those merits just because of lack of activity? Just because we lack activity, does that mean we don't deserve that merit?

I can't read his mind, but it sounds to me as if he's concerned about his own reputation and doesn't want it to look like he's favoring certain members.  I don't know how many members you have on the Philippines board, but I do know there are a LOT of Filipino shitposters--no offense, but it's something I've observed in the last five years. 

I don't see a problem with cabalism13 taking a short break from handing out merit.  It's not like the world is going to come to an end if he does that.  A merit source has no obligation to constantly be giving out merits.  I'm a merit source and I can go days without giving any (though I try not to do that).  I also know that it's my choice as to what posts I'm going to merit; I have pretty high standards, but each merit source has his/her own.

[OcTradism]

- Merit source is a free task and not an official job on the forum.
- theymos does not force sources to distribute all monthly smerit they are given.
- Meriting a post is subjective and you won't get a consensus on why this post is merited and why that post is not. Why this post is received 10 merit or why that post received only 1 merit.
- Merit sources can hoard their sendable merit if they don't find good posts or sometimes they are busy and can not spend time to find good posts.
- Good posts will get merit from sources and from members in your local.

If you are good posters you can rank up, from merit in local board and international board. Your topic shows that your English is not bad (and in your nation, English is a big and common language)
If you are from Philippines, you can make posts in good English. If you are not from Philippines, why do you dig into this local board?

I agree with this approach. I considered giving merit proportional to activity, but I decided not to because doing so would probably give far more undeserved merit than deserved merit in total. But undoubtedly some people got screwed by this, and if they have decent posts, by all means, give them the 250 or 500 merit that they need to rank-up.

I also agree with the idea of (free) "reviewer" topics in general, for finding high-quality posts that went unnoticed. Barcode_ created one in the Chinese section, as well.

This post of theymos can be understood differently.

- Good sources will dump 10 to 50 merit (maximum 50 merit each month) to a good poster to help the ranking up process. They can dump 50 merit to 50 posts or to 1 post. The latter one can cause debate or suspicious thoughts but if receivers are good posters they deserve that dump.
- The bad use is when sources or members dump many merit to a low quality users. They try to take the post of theymos that they are doing the right thing. No one agrees with them.

Merit source unapplication - Vlad2Vlad

[DoubleAweSeven]

I don't see a problem with cabalism13 taking a short break from handing out merit.  It's not like the world is going to come to an end if he does that.  A merit source has no obligation to constantly be giving out merits.  I'm a merit source and I can go days without giving any (though I try not to do that).  I also know that it's my choice as to what posts I'm going to merit; I have pretty high standards, but each merit source has his/her own.

One of the reason why he is pausing from meriting from our local board is because it lacks activity (He said that, not me). That's straight up bias towards other boards besides Pilipinas. Just because there's a lot of shitposters here, that doesn't doesn't the fact that we have quality posters that deserves merits. How can we merit our fellow Filipinos if we don't have merits to give and our only local merit source isn't giving anything to those who deserves it?

At least those quality posters are not stopping their activity in our local board or else our Pilipinas board would have died already, they should at least deserve a merit for doing a good job at bringing quality post to our local board. Biases? no one will complain if he really merits deserving post, it's not like people can complain about it. They can complain but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a quality post.

- Merit source is a free task and not an official job on the forum.
- Theymos does not force sources to distribute all monthly smerit they are given.
- Meriting a post is subjective and you won't get a consensus on why this post is meritted and why that post is not. Why this post is received 10 merit or why that post received only 1 merit.
- Merit sources can hoard their smerit if they don't find good posts or sometimes they are busy and can not spend time to find good posts.

If you are good posters you can rank up, from merit in local board and international board. Your topic shows that your English is not bad (and in your nation, English is a big and common language)

It's not like it's that hard to merit someone. If he see someone that has a good post, he only needs to click a few button to merit him. But NO, he has a reputation to defend.

If you are from Philippines, you can make posts in good English. If you are not from Philippines, why do you dig into this local board?

I'm from the Philippines which is why I want to bring awareness to our local board.

[mu_enrico]

Perhaps the situation is similar to the Indonesian board, where only a small group of old users post useful things. It's not fun where you only see the same guys over and over, so stop giving them merit (or a bit more stingy) is justifiable IMO. I did that (I'm not a merit source).

But I'm sure cabalism will still meriting useful posts made by newbies. No worries.

[DoubleAweSeven]

Perhaps the situation is similar to the Indonesian board, where only a small group of old users post useful things. It's not fun where you only see the same guys over and over, so stop giving them merit (or a bit more stingy) is justifiable IMO. I did that (I'm not a merit source).

But I'm sure cabalism will still meriting useful posts made by newbies. No worries.

So basically, you are saying that meriting someone should be fun? that's probably why you are not a merit source.

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ahhh Of course he will merit someone who agrees to him but not Filipinos in our local board who deserves it.

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I agree with this approach. I considered giving merit proportional to activity, but I decided not to because doing so would probably give far more undeserved merit than deserved merit in total. But undoubtedly some people got screwed by this, and if they have decent posts, by all means, give them the 250 or 500 merit that they need to rank-up.

I also agree with the idea of (free) "reviewer" topics in general, for finding high-quality posts that went unnoticed. Barcode_ created one in the Chinese section, as well.

This post of theymos can be understood differently.

- Good sources will dump 10 to 50 merit (maximum 50 merit each month) to a good poster to help the ranking up process. They can dump 50 merit to 50 posts or to 1 post. The latter one can cause debate or suspicious thoughts but if receivers are good posters they deserve that dump.
- The bad use is when sources or members dump many merit to a low quality users. They try to take the post of theymos that they are doing the right thing. No one agrees with them.

Merit source unapplication - Vlad2Vlad

I would merit you if I only have some for bringing this to our attention.

[Findingnemo]

Being a merit source is an volunteer job so they are not forced to give merits and complete their merit source quota everytime. If you feel that quality posts are not getting enough merits then you can also apply to become a merit source and merit all the worthy posts in your local board.

[OcTradism]

I would merit you if I only have some for bringing this to our attention.

Thank you but I don't send you one to receive one back. Please read the post of theymos and understand its message correctly.

I doubt on what you discussed in your local and I looked at your post history. Your first post is in August (the account was created in July) and it was in Meta about Trust and TECSHARE.

As a newbie, it is best if newbie digs to learn knowledge (you must spend months or years here to learn all knowledge) and worst to dig about merit, trust. My 2 cents.

This is obviously an alt that doesn't care about reputation and criticism but does my account matter when it comes to what I am saying right now?

It does not matter.

I agree with this approach. I considered giving merit proportional to activity, but I decided not to because doing so would probably give far more undeserved merit than deserved merit in total. But undoubtedly some people got screwed by this, and if they have decent posts, by all means, give them the 250 or 500 merit that they need to rank-up.

I also agree with the idea of (free) "reviewer" topics in general, for finding high-quality posts that went unnoticed. Barcode_ created one in the Chinese section, as well.

That post answers your question and if you need more you can see another one. You can understand that rule for the merit source as merit sources have their rights to decide posts to receive merit and how many.
- If merit sources send merit like an sold merit, community will detect it.
- If merit sources hoard their merit, they don't do anything wrong.

23. When deciding if a user has broken the rules, the staff have the right to follow their interpretation of the rules.[e]

[mu_enrico]

So basically, you are saying that meriting someone should be fun? that's probably why you are not a merit source.

No, is that what you understand from my post?

I think you don't want an answer but only want to create a reputation drama. Good luck with that, bye~

[DoubleAweSeven]

I would merit you if I only have some for bringing this to our attention.

Thank you but I don't send you one to receive one back. Please read the post of theymos and understand its message correctly.

I doubt on what you discussed in your local and I looked at your post history. Your first post is in August (the account was created in July) and it was in Meta about Trust and TECSHARE.

As a newbie, it is best if newbie digs to learn knowledge (you must spend months or years here to learn all knowledge) and worst to dig about merit, trust. My 2 cents.

This is obviously an alt that doesn't care about reputation and criticism but does my account matter when it comes to what I am saying right now?

[cryptoaddictchie]

So basically, you are saying that meriting someone should be fun? that's probably why you are not a merit source.

From my interpretation of what he said. Its not that merit giving should be in a fun but it could be. It also depends on the user's taste whether a certain post is worthy at all. It could be a direct to the point response, or a very helpful and quality one. If you know a certain member TMAN, he gave some huge bulk of merits to anyone he thinks deserved it regardless of the frequency. Anyway, I understand you as well. But it totally depends on the merit source of local board to disperse the available merits.

I know him for a long time and he has unique method to distribute merits. Dont take it the wrong way since he even longer member than us. There's a reason he was granted as merit source by theymos. Im not a merit source though but sharing my opinion here.

[DoubleAweSeven]

So basically, you are saying that meriting someone should be fun? that's probably why you are not a merit source.

It also depends on the user's taste whether a certain post is worthy at all.

Exactly. He saw worthy post but doesn't want to merit because our local board was lacking in activity and he doesn't want to merit only certain people who deserves it just because he was afraid to be branded as bias. How can he be branded as bias when the people really deserves it? who will question it? does others opinion matter if their opinion doesn't make sense? If he merits a good quality post, then no one would question it.

Dont take it the wrong way since he even longer member than us.

What's that got to do with being a longer member or not? what if I'm a user from 2010? does that matter?  

[cryptoaddictchie]

How can he be branded as bias when the people really deserves it? who will question it? does others opinion matter if their opinion doesn't make sense? If he merits a good quality post, then no one would question it.

Okay dude. Relax, it sound like you havent received merit and drag a whole drama here. Im sure if there are users who arent satisfied with his judgement they can also come out. But he did respond to you already.

If you have some complaint against me being a Source, write a Message to theymos.
If you feel like there are tons of posts that needs to be Merited, Apply as a Source or use LoyceV's thread.

What's that got to do with being a longer member or not? what if I'm a user from 2010? does that matter?

Im saying that he is awarded the position as merit source based on theynos judgement. Its okay to question him if his bias or not thats free of course and opinion always have room. Okay gtg. Just saying my thought. You can locked this thread or message theymos for complained if you feel like cabalism13 doesnt do his job ( which is not an actual but voluntary one).

[DoubleAweSeven]

Okay dude. Relax, it sound like you havent received merit and drag a whole drama here. Im sure if there are users who arent satisfied with his judgement they can also come out. But he did respond to you already.

It's not like I care about merits. I only care about the unfair treatment in our local board.

I don't care about him not meriting our local board, I'd understand that as long as it's a fair judgement. What really got me is that he is our only merit source yet it confuses me that the fact that he sees worthy post in our local board yet he refuses to merits those even if they deserves it, why? because our local board isn't active and he only sees few people worthy of merits in our local board. Then why don't you merit those people? Tell me, how is this fair judgement?

[DdmrDdmr]

I recall having similar conflicting thoughts back in the day. I’d seen @Paxmao, a Merit Source from my local board, being dragged here on Meta for ungrounded alleged Merit abuse (see this post). The visible apparent effect of Merit concentration, was simply due to the fact that not that many people were decent posters then on the local board (nor now), which obviously, for anyone who read into the context of the board and the merited posts themselves, would understand. Numbers are potential indicators to things, but it’s the context that often gives proper meaning to them.

At a later time, a person from my local forum asked me why I has eased on meriting him, despite him posting more or less in the same manner. I told him that it was basically due to having to morally merit him every day, based on the content he created, and that that might have looked bad. Despite that, I did not stop meriting him, but I may have slowed down recurrence a bit for a while back then.

Taking a look at the profiles I’ve given merit to overtime, the top four are from my local board. It’s pretty unavoidable really, since I visit it every day, and those, amongst a few others, are the ones that keep the board on its feet with decent enough content. If anything, they are somewhat unfortunate: I’ve always been rather mean, meriting in TXs of 1 sMerit (now moved on a bit more to 2 sMerits once in a while).