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October 31, 2020, 03:17:24 AM
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Whats the right approach towards politics?

Left leaning vs Right leaning? Both have differing ideologies on how to govern a country, but would the best way forward be a centrist instead? As this allows politicians to draw the best ideas from both sides and unite the left & right parties.

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October 31, 2020, 07:50:37 AM
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would the best way forward be a centrist instead?

The tendency towards centrism is what robs our democracies of true choice.
Imagine a country with two main political parties. The one on the left gets the votes of everyone who is more left-wing than the party - because this is the choice that best represents their interests. Similar for the one on the right. But the one on the right is more centrist, and so has a greater proportion of the population for whom they are the most representative choice. The party on the left responds by becoming more centrist - they still pick up all the votes of those to the left of them, as although they are a worse choice than before, they're still better than voting for the other party. At the same time, they pull in a lot of new votes from people who are closer to the centre. We started from the top picture below, and have moved to the bottom picture. The 'left' is now in power. The right will respond by becoming more centrist.



I've picked yellow and purple because red and blue would be too obvious. This trend continues until the two main parties are almost indistinguishable from one another, and voters are robbed of choice. I could continue with what happens next, but will leave it there.







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October 31, 2020, 03:27:10 PM
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would the best way forward be a centrist instead?

The tendency towards centrism is what robs our democracies of true choice.
Imagine a country with two main political parties. The one on the left gets the votes of everyone who is more left-wing than the party - because this is the choice that best represents their interests. Similar for the one on the right. But the one on the right is more centrist, and so has a greater proportion of the population for whom they are the most representative choice. The party on the left responds by becoming more centrist - they still pick up all the votes of those to the left of them, as although they are a worse choice than before, they're still better than voting for the other party. At the same time, they pull in a lot of new votes from people who are closer to the centre. We started from the top picture below, and have moved to the bottom picture. The 'left' is now in power. The right will respond by becoming more centrist.



I've picked yellow and purple because red and blue would be too obvious. This trend continues until the two main parties are almost indistinguishable from one another, and voters are robbed of choice. I could continue with what happens next, but will leave it there.


I agree that this phenomena exists, but along with others.

For example, yellow may gain control, and try to aggressively implement their more extreme policies. This causes purple to move further divergent, and a majority are attracted to that.
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November 02, 2020, 08:25:21 AM
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I agree that this phenomena exists, but along with others.

For example, yellow may gain control, and try to aggressively implement their more extreme policies. This causes purple to move further divergent, and a majority are attracted to that.

I agree that there are certainly other phenomena, one of which is similar to the position you outline.
A consequence of the parties moving towards the centre, and becoming more similar to one another is that many voters start to feel that they have no real choice other than voting to perpetuate the status quo, and that neither of the mainstream candidates represent them. This causes people to move away from politics altogether, and creates an army of available potential voters... a huge power just waiting to be harnessed. This I think is why in recent years, after we've had the move to the centre, we are now seeing the rise of more extreme candidates from both left and right, anti-establishment outsiders (and people posing as such) who rail against the system and promise to create something different and better.

We have seen the election of right-wing populists in quite a few countries around the globe, but the left-wing populists for the most part remain out of power. A couple of reasons for this I think are:
a) The mainstream media are controlled by millionaire/billionaire individuals who for personal reasons will always favour a right-wing leader, and so go out of their way to demonise any left-wing alternative, and the more left-wing the contender, the more extreme and vitriolic the media aggression.
b) Left-wing populism is more abstract and tends to appeal more to theorists, restructuring tax brackets, renationalising previously privatised utilities, etc... whereas right-wing populism is more in-your-face everyday stuff: keep the immigrants out, don't pay poor people to sit around and do nothing, etc. Right-wing populism is aggressively oppositional, and stokes the fires of resentment, which is a powerful motivator.






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November 03, 2020, 03:43:52 AM
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No one can say what is the right approach towards politics there is always disagreement among them proper leadership can instill leadership qualities in everyone in his team remember your team cannot do all the work alone you cannot answer all the questions alone. But your inexhaustible life force is very important which will get you to your goal but the more you become sectarian minded the more you will mislead this social system so much that if you want to change the power then the people's war will start at the moment things are getting so ugly that even on social media, digital bandits have come down to spark slander against each other it is as if a sectarian war has started.
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