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November 02, 2020, 08:15:04 AM Last edit: November 02, 2020, 08:28:09 AM by Ucy |
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I think it's totally immoral to get paid for not doing your job well or solving problems. The problem in this regard is to help your students/listeners properly understand what you are teaching them. If they don't properly understand what you teach them, it means you are not solving any problem (or not solving the problem well enough), and you are getting paid for not solving the problems or doing your job well. This is actually immoral and can be considered theft/cheating, especially if you are doing it intentionally.
How can teachers know they are doing their jobs well or solving problems? I believe one of the ways to know this is by regularly testing or asking students questions to make sure they correctly understand what is being taught. Those who aren't understanding what is being taught should be understood individually, and probably taught specially. They may be unique people who need to be taught in different/unique ways, or ways that are different from how the rest of the class are taught. It doesn't necessarily mean the students are dumb or unintelligent. It's also very important to make sure your students easily know and understand every bit of what they are taught (especially in a way that is not boring to them). You don't assume they know them already or can easily understand them. And always make sure your students inability to learn properly are not due to spiritual issues, poor nutrition, illness, health issues, emotional problems, etc. These problems should be well treated before you continue teaching the affected students.
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November 02, 2020, 08:48:13 AM |
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I think it's totally immoral to get paid for not doing your job well or solving problems. The problem in this regard is to help your students/listeners properly understand what you are teaching them. If they don't properly understand what you teach them, it means you are not solving any problem (or not solving the problem well enough), and you are getting paid for not solving the problems or doing your job well. This is actually immoral and can be considered theft/cheating, especially if you are doing it intentionally.
How can teachers know they are doing their jobs well or solving problems? I believe one of the ways to know this is by regularly testing or asking students questions to make sure they correctly understand what is being taught. Those who aren't understanding what is being taught should be understood individually, and probably taught specially. They may be unique people who need to be taught in different/unique ways, or ways that are different from how the rest of the class are taught. It doesn't necessarily mean the students are dumb or unintelligent. It's also very important to make sure your students easily know and understand every bit of what they are taught (especially in a way that is not boring to them). You don't assume they know them already or can easily understand them. And always make sure your students inability to learn properly are not due to spiritual issues, poor nutrition, illness, health issues, emotional problems, etc. These problems should be well treated before you continue teaching the affected students.
I probably forgot this very important one:Make sure what you are teaching isn't false or doesn't make sense to them (your students/listeners/readers). Make sure they are correct and make sense. If you teach truth in a way that is clear, people of different personalities, tribes, cultures, religions etc would be able to understand easily. Truth is never complicated!
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November 02, 2020, 08:52:26 AM |
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The education system differs from country to country.
If there is a shortage of teachers in certain areas, if it's not a volunteer teacher, they will hire an instructor. Well, the description itself differs from the main teaching job description.
It's a sad part of the education system that there are teachers that don't care about their students. But despite that shortage and lack of commitment to their chosen profession. There are the real teachers that wouldn't mind the toughness and salary they get as long as they will deliver the lesson and teach the right lessons to their students.
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I don't think so, because the teacher should be able to make the children understand what is being taught... Current teachers are too lazy to teach students, they always argue that the children are very naughty or stupid so they can't understand what is being taught. being a teacher is not easy, so heavy is the burden to bear.
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Teachers usually teach students in fact teachers have many problems i have already said that our salary structure If a teacher has job security good salary then he can teach well. It is a reflection of their moral decay a teacher is a craftsman he teaches this is his job but there have been some recent developments which are a reflection of the moral decay that exists at every level of our society.
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November 03, 2020, 04:52:40 AM |
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No, It is not immoral if a teacher gets paid when the student still gets fails.Job of the teacher is to teach the things and they are not responsible for what student make up from those lessons.Teaching profession is one of the most underpaid jobs all around the world because they are grooming the whole world people but they are getting the tips not a real salary when we consider the amount job they have done to the community.
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It is your obligation to teach the student as teacher and also it is the student obligation to learn from you,Payments must be done constantly because that is a profession . But if you are a teacher that has pride and good attitude then you Know when to stop teaching and quit if all your student does not learning from you.
But if the concern here are some hard headed student or those delay in mind students,then for me this is completely moral.
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November 03, 2020, 10:35:41 AM |
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I don't think so, because the teacher should be able to make the children understand what is being taught... Current teachers are too lazy to teach students, they always argue that the children are very naughty or stupid so they can't understand what is being taught. being a teacher is not easy, so heavy is the burden to bear.
Ofcourse. I think that is why it's important to allow mostly talented, natural, & probably skilled teachers to teach. People who aren't natural in teaching will likely not do their jobs well when they encounter such challenges. The unfortunate thing about the world is that when a job offers high pay, the unqualified/untalented will scoop up the positions, while the truely qualified/talented won't be accepted for not meeting employers unnecessary standards. If you make it a voluntary or low paid job, you will likely find lots of the qualified/talented part of the job if they are aware of it. So, I think it will be much better if selection is based on merit.
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Is it moral? Well it depends on whether the teacher understands the topic. If he does, and he doesn't impart his knowledge, then he is a bf teacher. The immorality comes in when the teacher is just promoting propaganda without understanding the background or the topic. Training doctors to promote pharmaceuticals without understanding the causes of ill health is one modern example.
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this issue is complex firstly. teachers are not paid well in bottom level state schools. and their 8-6 shifts are filled with teaching and marking homework, they do not get much paid time to prepare lessons or update info that changes each year. so many teachers are just in an endless cycle of just repeating the same lesson plans as previous years. thus inheriting any outdated stuff
they are also not well supported. in classes of 30 students+ they cannot really do custom classes tailored to the type of students learning style each student requires. some students learn better in written format some visually, some vocally and some need dependant/prompting individually. so its a 1 in 4 chance of getting good concentration and attention to whats being taught. for all students
yes teachers can try to set lesson plans to be multiformat to cover the 3 main styles, so have visual, vocal and written elements to each class. but again that takes prepwork and also slows down the lesson time of what can be learned in each lesson if that one teacher has to offer the info in 3 different formats to try getting maximum attention/concentration
new tech such as letting students use tablets/laptops can help by letting the students have a bit of freedom of their own learning style. some can google text extracts, some can youtube. so things have improved. but not all issues are solved. .. in many cases schools have several class levels of the smart kids vs the not so smart kids and so the teachers that do well and able to teach well get to teach the smart kids. and the les productive teachers get given the spot to teach the less smart kids. however this can cause a wider divide in education of certain groups of students.
issues such as failing to teach kids how to read and write in elementary/primary schools can lead to further problems at secondary/high school. which is hard to then find the time to 'retrain' kids in the basics once in the highschool level whilst also doing the normal lesson plan
and all of this is due to funding. teachers are not paid alot. most of the school budget is wasted at the school head/admin part you can usually spot this by the different quality of transport the teachers have vs the head of the school you can also spot when some schools average 23 students per teacher vs 35 students per teacher. the teacher does not get a better lifestyle/better transport affordability. yet the school heads vehicle and house value does improve. which is more signs that money is wasted at the top
however. after saying all of this. school budgets should be organised better. where when state funded. each student should represent an X+Y payment. where X is the basic rate no matter what the students results are per term/simester/year. and Y is a bonus if the student gets good results. thus incentivising teachers to do well. and ensure these amounts are ringfenced for the teachers. as for other school costs that should be a separate ringfensed budget. thus the school head/admin cant syphon funds away from the students/teachers
i done a little study recently. (not formal) but when schools got extra budget for their food programs for the poor. the head/admin department income increased yet the quality of food for the students did not. this occured in a few of the schools in the area i looked into.
so sometimes the problem is not the teacher. but the organisation of the whole school. employing cheap unexperienced teachers just to keep their budget down for one area of labour. to then have more money left over to give more salary to the head/admin. yep some schools were even awarded extra grants for 'teaching assistants' yet the number of assistants did not increase on the same proportion as the grant award.
so before thinking teachers are paid too much. think the school an a whole is not utilising the budget properly and too much is being syphoned away from area's that do impact the students. and more so used to improve the lifestyle of the school employees that are not directly impacting students lives
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In order for a child to be able to competently manage the information received, he or she must be able to memorize the material. To do this, it is necessary to pay attention to the following points, which can be summarized in a sequential way: -Awareness of why it is necessary to memorize the material; -Analysis of material, revealing the connection between concepts and phenomena; -Selection of the most important, essence in the material to be remembered; -Explanation of the content; -Memorization. Besides, there are several simple memorization techniques. The child may think about what will happen if he doesn't remember what he needs to remember. You can also predict pleasant consequences, as long as they are important enough for him. You should remember that exhaustion, anxiety are the enemies of memory. Good health is necessary for good memorization. There are many methods, practical exercises, games for memory development and training. The main thing is that both parents and teachers should remember that intellectual abilities are the luggage with which a schoolboy will go into adult life, with the help of which he will choose and master a profession. And adults, of course, must help him in this. Therefore, I believe that the teacher's duties also include helping the student to master the material, its more detailed explanation. It seems to me that if the teacher is good, he will be able to explain the material to even the most underperforming pupil (unless he has real problems).
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November 03, 2020, 09:57:27 PM |
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I dont want to think its an immoral, maybe lack of concern for not doing his/her responsibility as a teacher knowing its your chosen profession.
Every students are different, some of them can easily get the lesson while others are finding it difficult and hard to grasp. So the teacher is responsible to know if every students understand the lesson before moving forward.
Thus its a must to give another explanation that is more enjoyable and try to give real life examples wherein they can relate or much easy for them to comprehend.
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November 03, 2020, 10:08:23 PM |
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Is it moral? Well it depends on whether the teacher understands the topic. If he does, and he doesn't impart his knowledge, then he is a bf teacher. The immorality comes in when the teacher is just promoting propaganda without understanding the background or the topic. Training doctors to promote pharmaceuticals without understanding the causes of ill health is one modern example.
Nice example. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Actually doctors should not promote the use of drugs/meds, I believe they should promote more on healthy living to avoid getting sick or diseases. If they believe that medicine is the answer to every sickness, then I don't think they are good doctors. But in case of this teacher scenario. I believe you have moral responsibility to know if your student is learning from what you're teaching. If not, you failed your mission and you have to find alternative ways how to make your student understand the topics your teaching.
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Educators also help children in ways other than learning our current understanding of the world. A teacher gifted with with superior social skills could help in many ways.
Even the pope doesn't understand what he is teaching - he changes his mind every few years. You can see his lifestyle as a result of his teachings - is he moral?
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