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November 14, 2020, 11:27:03 PM
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As my mother taught in a very large university here in Los Angeles, I don't think many of you understand that it was the government's hand in the education system that made it so unaffordable. The government made the whole loan system and colleges saw they could keep increasing tuition costs as long as loans allowed kids to pursue education at the expense of massive debt. College is essentially a talking, writing and reading endeavor. There are no real material costs considering the availability of online "print" - the "textbook" only costs whatever the publisher/author are willing to sell it at for rights as there's so little cost with an eBook.

Indeed, here in France universities are public and costs are very low. Students pay almost nothing, but even for the state the costs aren't major, just a bit higher than high school, basically. So about 5000€/year.

Private schools (mostly commerce schools) charge something like 7000€/year and people find that expensive already.

The prices in the US are totally ridiculous.

However I think for "uneducated people" they can get a high school diploma, then go to a community college, in the US, no ?
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November 14, 2020, 11:31:38 PM
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The election is not yet ended but when it comes to sending uneducated and unemployment into the agricultural sector could also be a good idea.
however, people will not actually follow the instruction. They must adapt to the new things. It can't be done easily.
If the government is able to attract the unemployed youth in the agricultural sector by providing subsidy and readily available of loans with less interest rates to start their business then it is possible they could attract people who are willing to do something productive rather than looking for ways to make easy money dealing with illegal goods. It is a hard task and it will take a long time for these policies and plans to work smoothly.
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November 15, 2020, 01:52:20 AM
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As my mother taught in a very large university here in Los Angeles, I don't think many of you understand that it was the government's hand in the education system that made it so unaffordable. The government made the whole loan system and colleges saw they could keep increasing tuition costs as long as loans allowed kids to pursue education at the expense of massive debt. College is essentially a talking, writing and reading endeavor. There are no real material costs considering the availability of online "print" - the "textbook" only costs whatever the publisher/author are willing to sell it at for rights as there's so little cost with an eBook.

Indeed, here in France universities are public and costs are very low. Students pay almost nothing, but even for the state the costs aren't major, just a bit higher than high school, basically. So about 5000€/year.

Private schools (mostly commerce schools) charge something like 7000€/year and people find that expensive already.

The prices in the US are totally ridiculous.

However I think for "uneducated people" they can get a high school diploma, then go to a community college, in the US, no ?

Yes, you can cut down on the cost of college by attending a community college for a couple years to get the general education requirements completed before finishing an advanced degree at a university.  Community college's often don't offer the type of advanced degrees you would get at a university, so it's difficult to finish a degree there.

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November 16, 2020, 06:31:13 AM
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If not for the Covid19, USA unemployment rate has always been low even during the time of the Barack Obama. I think America voted for Biden based on sentiment and also dislike for Trump. Biden to me look very reserve and you hardly going to know what is going to do until he start working as president. Americans will have to cope with insecurity, high increase in illegal immigrant etc. for the next 4 years especially if Mr Biden lifted the ban on some of the countries Trump had ban.

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November 16, 2020, 09:27:24 PM
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I don't think that the concern here is, who is the politician or the best candidate for the presidency instead it is all about livelihood, employment rate, and since BLM was also mentioned then the race can be another thing to be discussed.

Going back to the topic, regardless of whose president but putting into action the platform on livelihood for unemployed and uneducated citizens is necessary not only in the US but to other countries as well and this move of Biden already shows he is already starting to make his promises into reality.

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November 16, 2020, 10:36:48 PM
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If not for the Covid19, USA unemployment rate has always been low even during the time of the Barack Obama. I think America voted for Biden based on sentiment and also dislike for Trump. Biden to me look very reserve and you hardly going to know what is going to do until he start working as president. Americans will have to cope with insecurity, high increase in illegal immigrant etc. for the next 4 years especially if Mr Biden lifted the ban on some of the countries Trump had ban.
Unemployment is a recurring issue that every country is facing whatever country it is.  Neither Trump nor Biden can hardly end this unemployment unless if the citizens would simply settle in this program.  Bringing these folks to a different location IMO isn't bad at all instead of relying on the support they are getting from the government then it will be better to gamble and try their luck in other places which might possibly give them a positive outcome in the future.

In this case, we just need to wait if these promises made by Biden will be put into action once he took the presidency from Trump because this still remains as plan until we will be able to see the outcome by 2021.

Anyway, thank you for showing that graphs, it's proven that there's something in the Trump administration.

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November 16, 2020, 10:55:40 PM
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I don't think that the concern here is, who is the politician or the best candidate for the presidency instead it is all about livelihood, employment rate, and since BLM was also mentioned then the race can be another thing to be discussed.
Going back to the topic, regardless of whose president but putting into action the platform on livelihood for unemployed and uneducated citizens is necessary not only in the US but to other countries as well and this move of Biden already shows he is already starting to make his promises into reality.
We will be able to talk about Biden's real steps only after the inauguration takes place and the newly elected President takes office, and we can only talk about plans for this. Although of course it is correct that this issue of social justice has started to be raised because it is wrong when entire racial and ethno-cultural segments of the population have less opportunities to earn money for their daily bread. The most important thing is not to infringe on the rights of another part of the population in order to restore justice,because this will not be quite fair.
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November 17, 2020, 01:42:57 AM
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As my mother taught in a very large university here in Los Angeles, I don't think many of you understand that it was the government's hand in the education system that made it so unaffordable. The government made the whole loan system and colleges saw they could keep increasing tuition costs as long as loans allowed kids to pursue education at the expense of massive debt. College is essentially a talking, writing and reading endeavor. There are no real material costs considering the availability of online "print" - the "textbook" only costs whatever the publisher/author are willing to sell it at for rights as there's so little cost with an eBook.

The major cost of "higher levels of learning" is the whole advertising the schools do, their sports program and the whole prestige aspect. If you took all that nonsense away, a professor making $150K/year could take a year off of some real world work to teach a class of 30 students (let's assume the students don't change for simplicity). That equals $5k/yr per student. Figure at most $1k for books and if it's a science based class another $1k for materials. USC and Harvard charging $60K/yr - there's some real cheating going on and it's not the students. The whole system is a scam.

We should just go back to trade schools and apprenticeships for the masses. Spending $250K in 4 years while putting out no product only to make an extra $10K/yr over 25 years - what are these people expecting?

Biden will only increase that teacher pay to even higher levels - paid for by taxpayers.

While you're on the right track with the fact that government subsidizing student loans has led to a huge increase in the cost of tuition because it creates inelastic demand, it's simply wrong to say that the main costs of colleges are advertising and sports programs. Colleges have huge administrative cost and the cost of professors is probably the largest expense items, as well as all the other staff-related costs. And the sports programs are huge sources of revenue for big colleges, so it's not like all that money they consume comes from tuition. Most large football programs subsidize the cost of all the other unprofitable sports programs.

By the way, the president has nothing to do with college teacher pay. None whatsoever.

I know just how much college professors make as my mother was one. They don't really start draining the system until they're tenured and then their pay exceeds that of the POTUS is many cases and they receive state pension for teaching at state schools like UCLA and Berkley. That insane pay is not a result of output - those professors are making that money off prestiging - bringing in money from old alumni. My wife's good friend donated $5 million to U of W dental school and was saddened when the school spent it on building a low income clinic... in Bellevue, WA lol. Basically it was a handout for free money to ivory tower clinicians. There are no poor people in Bellevue going to that clinic - such a pork project - but it's a beautiful building.

The lowly professor teaching the classes at UCLA filled with 100 to 350 students at a time is only making about $100/hour. The only reason they keep at that cheap rate is to hopefully get tenure where they can milk the system of state taxpayers. It's not a merit based system.

The only reason you think the sports programs make money from the school is that the school advertises it as such. In reality, when you look at all the cheating that is done by the athletic programs it becomes apparent that they steal tuition. Football players using disabled placards. Priority access to classes for athletes. Discounted meal and housing for athletes. New construction of athletic training/playing facilities that don't have enough income from ticket sales to offset the cost of the construction and property taxes. At UCLA, for example, the new tennis stadium still has not been paid for by more than 32% after 10 years. The budget for planning and environmental studies for the project actually came from the general fund so that wasn't even ticketed in the cost. I know people who work at UCLA in the athletic departments and this is how I know this. You can find articles about similar stories if you dig deep enough, but usually the front page on the newspaper talks about how great the sports teams are for the schools. Remember newspapers and print media make quite a bit from collegiate sports, it's in their interest to feed their narrative. The coaches and managers at universities are usually the highest paid entities in the school and it even makes news on the aforementioned media. You rarely see them putting on the front page stories about their alumni achieving scientific breakthroughs. Let me know when Goodenough becomes as famous as Pete Carroll or John Wooden.

If you think the POTUS has nothing to do with college teacher pay then that's your prerogative. Ultimately the POTUS does pick a cabinet member that become sec of education and that sec determines K-12 schooling agenda which does influence college level pay as well as union and lobbying efforts. California Teacher Association is the largest lobbyist in the US and they vote with one party almost on a 1:1 basis. To think that college professors don't align themselves the same way as K-12 teacher unions - well I guess you've been gone from the school tenure narrative for 70 years. Nothing will get between a teacher and their pension - not even a rape or child molestation conviction. You say something to the contrary and you will be beaten up in the media like the 200 pound 3rd grader sitting on other 3rd graders over by the tether-ball courts. Only in a society where teachers are held to sainthood can a teacher who feeds semen laced cookies to kids be defended by the teacher union that's supposed to protect kids. That narrative carries all the way up to colleges.

BTW all my kids teachers in public school make approximately 30% more than an urgent care physician on a per hour basis. $90/hr for urgent care at Kaiser in California. $118/hr for my kids teachers in K-6.
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November 17, 2020, 04:00:54 AM
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Joe Biden government will be more better than Donald Trump government, where terrorist and corona virus were keep rising in the country, that was causing fear to the life of the citizens in the country. With the promise Joe Biden made, during his campaign rally concerning uneducated and unemployment, he said he will put an end to it, if he is elected as a US president come November 3. Joe Biden was declared winner for the US presidential election that took place on 3rd of November that make Biden to pulled 306 vote to defeat his incumbent Donald Trump who pulled 230 for the concluded election.
Joe Biden will do everything possible to improve US economy and also improve in the areas of education, by building more schools that will create more employment for the graduate in the country and a good learning center for the citizens. Many scholarship will be giving to some students, to go any country of their choice to study and also sponsor some students to any school of their choice without payment till he or she graduate from the school.
US citizens love Joe Biden very well, that is why they gave him a massive vote during the election because they believe that him will be more better than Donald Trump in the areas of creating employment for the youths in the country and also to improve all their digital learning center in the country.

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November 17, 2020, 07:22:14 AM
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The biden have Plan to start working big places for BLM and for white people who is unemployed and un educated.

No, for all people. For all people of all races, all Americans...probably some immigrants too. I'd expect the Biden team to remove some of the work visa restrictions put in place by Trump. There's a lot of work to be done in America, a lot of work to be done by a lot of people from a lot of different educational and socioeconomic backgrounds.

And personally, education is the biggest issue for America to resolve...to fix the foolish trust placed in "fake news" and the lies that spread through facebook accounts. America needs to teach its people how to think critically again.
Visa restriction is important. You cant deny the benefits of it. Only people who live outside the US territory want it to be removed. If I a US citizen, I will definitely put my country above all and force illegal immigrations to move out the country. You cant trust all of them although maybe they only want to change their life. Those peole are likely to avoid tax, sell drugs or involve with terrorism

Education is also an issue. It is a foundation of a whole country driving both economy and politic. You cant stop the fake news. Even big media tries to spread rumours and lies about the incumbent President - Donald Trump. Though, I believe Biden will know how to meliorate the current belief of the US citizens and enhance the education system for the much better future

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November 18, 2020, 02:48:19 PM
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People think that just because of corona the unemployment went up a lot (record breaking for a long period of time) but that is not the case only, it was also not recovering fast enough that costed a lot more jobs to be lost and not rehired.

It was always expected that many people would have lost their jobs during a pandemic, nobody could deny that you would lose your job during pandemic and president is not responsible for it, but where Trump lost voters (which wasn't much if you look at election results, dude got second highest vote ever in history) we can say that it was the recovery period where Trump could have done a lot more to stop Covid spread and he didn't which caused a lot of jobs to be lost, a lot of business' to be closed and that was the period where people blamed him.
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November 18, 2020, 02:59:46 PM
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How is this in any way connected to Bitcoin?

It would have been fine if Biden said that he would create "work-from-home" jobs linked to Crypto currencies, but that is not the case here.  Roll Eyes

Even though I am not a big supporter of both Trump and Biden for different reasons, I still think Trump did a lot for the USA citizens with all the trade restrictions that was implemented. It forced the USA to create work opportunities for things that was previously imported. Yes, it had a negative side too.. because some exported goods and services was negatively influenced from the counter restrictions that was implemented from China.

Whatever is said during elections should never be taken seriously .... rather look at the actions that happens after the elections.. to judge these politicians.  Wink

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