Using the trust system for personal Vendetta

[icopress]

Questions related to the red tag and further actions / The original version of the OP has been moved to the archive - https://archive.is/FpUEO
It all started with the fact that I asked the question of why Theymos adds users to the DT list whose reciprocal trust list consists of unwanted accounts. The discussion then continued in the spirit of “latest blacklist updates”. LoyceV has kindly advised that if there are any obvious abuses, they should be reported on the sockpuppets thread, which I understand Theymos sometimes looks over when he forms new blacklists.

• Then I posted another example (shown below).

What is this rule for then?

- You must not be banned or manually blacklisted from selection.

It doesn't fit in my head anyway ... Is it so difficult to view the list of new members of the DT before publishing? ^{Thinking out loud..}
Yeah, obviously A-Bolt and WhiteManWhite are just victims .... I emphasized directly linked accounts

Trust list for: A-Bolt (Trust: neutral) (450 Merit earned) (Trust list) A-Bolt's judgement is Trusted by: 1. Balthazar (Trust: +3 / =1 / -1) (322 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 2. Vadi2323 (Trust: +1 / =2 / -0) (170 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 3. kzv (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (725 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 4. be.open (Trust: +0 / =2 / -6) (332 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 5. Sancho18 (Trust: +0 / =1 / -4) (114 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 6. xenon131 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 644 Merit earned) (Trust list) 7. sne.su (Trust: +0 / =2 / -6) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 8. F1ak (Trust: neutral) (229 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 9. Smartprofit (Trust: neutral) (403 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 10. FontSeli (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (729 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 11. The0ldl_lser (Trust: neutral) (185 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list for: WhiteManWhite (Trust: neutral) (117 Merit earned) (Trust list) WhiteManWhite's judgement is Trusted by: 1. TECSHARE (Trust: +38 / =6 / -3) (939 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 2. peloso (Trust: +2 / =3 / -5) (175 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 3. bamb (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 4. Vadi2323 (Trust: +1 / =2 / -0) (170 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 5. klarki (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 265 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 6. my luck (Trust: neutral) (46 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 7. johhnyUA (Trust: +0 / =1 / -2) (DT1 (-6) 840 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 8. TheFuzzStone (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (932 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 9. popachubby (Trust: neutral) (8 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 10. endlasuresh (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (3 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 11. be.open (Trust: +0 / =2 / -6) (332 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 12. Sancho18 (Trust: +0 / =1 / -4) (114 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 13. sne.su (Trust: +0 / =2 / -6) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 14. fzkto (Trust: neutral) (288 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 15. F1ak (Trust: neutral) (229 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 16. 3meek (Trust: neutral) (DT1 (-4) 246 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 17. Bazinga442 (Trust: +0 / =0 / -7) (24 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 18. tvplus006 (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (1339 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 19. witcher_sense (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (1563 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 20. chickinini (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (11 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 21. cryptorgasm (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 22. Pablojob (Trust: +0 / =0 / -4) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 23. PiningGarcia (Trust: +0 / =0 / -4) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 24. PingGermoco (Trust: +0 / =0 / -4) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 25. cryptopov (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 26. poypototoy (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 27. Alex_Sr (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (938 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 28. Zin-Zang (Trust: +0 / =1 / -7) (11 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 29. cryptobenn (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 30. DabLjat (Trust: neutral) (70 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 31. Rooivalk Banned! (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (155 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 32. The0ldl_lser (Trust: neutral) (185 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 33. twiki (Trust: neutral) (11 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 34. H8bussesNbicycles (Trust: +0 / =1 / -12) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 35. ito-marketing (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 36. gwsukabokepjepang (Trust: +0 / =0 / -11) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 37. Ratimov (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! ( 2788 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 38. protrader786 (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (61 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) 39. smartcontracts100 (Trust: +0 / =1 / -5) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

• But apparently WMW took my message as a personal insult ..

And in the local section, WhiteManWhite responded to this post with a rude insult to all the people who have Lauda in the trust list, ^{[including me]}. Quoting the rest of the provocative posts I think is inappropriate, since we are discussing an abuse of trust and not WMW's manners.

He yймeтcя никaк cyчьe лayдoвcкoe плeмя в дeлeжкe кopытa.

• One day later, he accused me of plagiarizing images. ^{WMW You hold a grudge, don't you?}

Plagiarism without author link and claim copyright holder
User: icopress

33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.

For this serious violation, this user should be banned

• WMW ^DT1 said he would wait for a response from the moderator, as you can see he received it (but the tag is active).

I refrained from answering and from provocations from WMW until a response from the moderator was received, (The user was also notified).

I think the moderator will judge who is right and who is not.

33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e] - Does this rule apply to images?

AFAIK no, it doesn't apply to images.

Thank you, can I quote you?

Feel free.

• After the notification, the WhiteManWhite did not remove the red tag, but added another one! Referring to the post I added to the title.

[suchmoon]

A couple of things here:

• Red trust for plagiarism is probably unnecessary unless it involves something else that is scammy - e.g. shitbumping scams with plagiarized content. Plagiarism should be reported to moderators.
• You have more examples of plagiarism in your post history than just the ones pointed out by WhiteManWhite. Indirect references through your blog may not be enough. If a moderator can't see the reference in your post - you'll get into trouble sooner or later.

[LoyceV]

I'll quote my post here:

He said me that the reference to his copyright is mandatory.

First: I think you may find some images without source reference if you search back my oldest posts. But just like in this case, I don't think the user who posts it claims it as their own work. Just to be sure, I nowadays always add a source link to images, but not all users do that. Especially in the Wall Observer thread I've seen many (innocent) cases.

Plagiarism isn't the same as a copyright violation. Plagiarism can get you banned, copyright violations can get you into other problems. Either way, plagiarism is handled by forum rules, and shouldn't be used for negative feedback:

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Got your message to reply here, OP, and I will.  Give me a few hours.

[KaneVWE]

What makes you sure it is a personal vendetta?

You yourself appear to have left me a red tag after I commented on your shitty awards thread? Was that a vendetta??

I mean you have no reference for the red trust you left on my account?. The reason is less sensible than whitemanwhites and yours is entirely stupid. People have me on ignore= redtag?
Fuck off you pathetic crying plagiarist weasel.

Now crying when others point out you are guilty of using others work without their permission
Did they make those images for your use? To support something you said? How many different occasions with different images ?
I wonder if you are now editing a ton of posts??



Even so, as you enjoy using the trust system for whatever you like which has nothing to do with scamming or financially motivated wrongdoing then so can anyone else ?

Or are the rules for others and not yourself? Or rather the lack of rules.

Looking through your post history you look to be a plausible alt lauda.
Stop whining about your specific gripes with red trust and start to realize that you're guilty of worse that what you're accusing others of..

If he wants to red tag you for anything he can.
If a member can be tagged by a DT scammer for presenting evidence of their scamming then there are no rules.

It is quite simple his tag would be 1000x more credible and valid than your own.

[Steamtyme]

I have done enough community work on the forum as for one person and on this basis, I see this situation as an abuse of the trust system for personal vendetta (using formalities).

Then you should know how to deal with "feedback issues".

Appeal to the user; if it fails as in most cases see next step
Ask yourself are they on DT? If yes, appeal to whoever has them included giving providing them a DT position
If that fails then maybe the feedback is warranted.

In this case it's pretty easy, this is not what the trust system is intended for so I don't see them getting into or remaining on DT.

I'll quote my post here:

Plagiarism isn't the same as a copyright violation. Plagiarism can get you banned, copyright violations can get you into other problems. Either way, plagiarism is handled by forum rules, and shouldn't be used for negative feedback:

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

Correct. Images where discussed when the first wave of autobans hit the forum for plagiarism. I can't remember where it was stated but images were definitely excluded from the "plagiarism" category on forum.

You have more examples of plagiarism in your post history than just the ones pointed out by WhiteManWhite. Indirect references through your blog may not be enough. If a moderator can't see the reference in your post - you'll get into trouble sooner or later.

That's concerning.

[WhiteManWhite]

And in the local section, WhiteManWhite responded to this post with a rude insult to all the people who have Lauda in the trust list, (including me)

Dude! You're also a liar or an inattentive person Clearly highlighted in red that I meant you.

Ecли кoнeчнo я пpaвильнo тeбя пoнял и ты oтнocишь к "лayдoвcкoмy cyчью" мeня...

Этoгo дocтaтoчнo, пoкa.

[icopress]

Dude! You're also a liar or an inattentive person Clearly highlighted in red that I meant you.

I quote / you added this clarification an hour later, which does not change the essence. You allow yourself to publish groundless insults for no reason.

But we will return to this conversation later 

[WhiteManWhite]

Dude! You're also a liar or an inattentive person Clearly highlighted in red that I meant you.

I quote / you added this clarification an hour later, which does not change the essence. You allow yourself to publish groundless insults for no reason.

But we will return to this conversation later 

A lie once again, edit was not about this phrase. And this is my personal opinion about you based on your actions on this forum. Am I entitled to that opinion of you?

[icopress]

Taм был дaльний зaxoд c пoдвыпoдвepтoм. He yймeтcя никaк cyчьe лayдoвcкoe плeмя в дeлeжкe кopытa.
Чyвaк дaжe нe зaмopaчивaлcя c пoдcчeтoм, пpoxoжy ли нa гoлocoвaниe или нeт бeз нoyнeйм шaйки oт лayды. Я пoмню чтo oни пaчкoй пoявилиcь cpaзy пocлe пepвыx тepoк пpo DT и pyccкoй лoкaли. Ho видимo кypить мaнyaлы пepeд зaявлeниями, этo нe для гocпoд y кoтopыx кeпкa, пoxoдy, пoджимaeт oблacть нaxoждeния мeжyшнoгo гaнглия.

Этoгo дocтaтoчнo, пoкa.
Избaгoйcя и вoзьми пиpoжoк c пoлки, пpaвдopyб ты нaш, нeзaинтepecoвaнный
Ecли ecть вoпpocы, тeбe дядя cкaзaл гдe мoжнo cпop oткpыть. Taм cмoжeм пoдиcкyтиpoвaть.

Я eщe мoгy в пpямoм эфиpe в пeшee эpoтичecкoe пyтeшecтвиe пocлaть Oт дyши, пo-pyccки.

Interpretation of facts / I did not claim that you edited the post, I said that you added a clarification, (this implied another post). I recommend that you read this thread carefully and this one (post 1992, 1994 and 1995). After that, you should apologize, then I will consider the incident settled.

Fixed: Additions to baseless insults added after 24 hours.

best regards
icopress

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Got your message to reply here, OP, and I will.  Give me a few hours.

Same, I will respond properly tomorrow. I haven’t forgotten bro.

[WhiteManWhite]

Interpretation of facts / I did not claim that you edited the post, I said that you added a clarification (this implied another post). I recommend that you read this thread carefully and this one (post 1992, 1994 and 1995). After that, you should apologize, then I will consider the incident settled.

best regards
icopress

I have to apologize? Man, LOL )
You should apologize and all those who will write nonsense to my trust. This is crazy manipulation, without waiting for the decision of the forum administration.

[Vod]

Got your message to reply here, OP, and I will.  Give me a few hours.

Same, I will respond properly tomorrow. I haven’t forgotten bro.

How many of us did he PM?   

[icopress]

How many of us did he PM?   

Vod, 6-7 (Only those whose judgments I trust)  

[The Sceptical Chymist]

This looks like an issue of negative feedback being left for posting an image from the internet and considering that plagiarism.  I don't agree with that, and it isn't even necessary to leave a neg for an outright plagiarist of the written word (though I don't consider it a major transgression if one is left).

What is this rude response by WhiteManWhite?  I can't read Russian.

I also don't see why WMW took offense to that "victim" statement by OP.  It didn't look to be negatively aimed at WMW from my point of view. 

You have more examples of plagiarism in your post history than just the ones pointed out by WhiteManWhite. Indirect references through your blog may not be enough. If a moderator can't see the reference in your post - you'll get into trouble sooner or later.

That's concerning.

Indeed, and I'd like to hear from icopress about that.

Is WhiteManWhite on DT or what?  I don't even know how to tell anymore without searching Meta for Theymos's monthly update thread, and even then I don't know who's on DT2.

[WhiteManWhite]

I also don't see why WMW took offense to that "victim" statement by OP.  It didn't look to be negatively aimed at WMW from my point of view.

I don't take offense to people from the Internet, it would be stupid And I've already started getting a red trust for myself, it's so cool
But his statement, the way he prepared it, showed it, and the time spent on it clearly indicated a veiled accusation.

Is WhiteManWhite on DT or what?

Yes, it is.

[Yogee]

....Is WhiteManWhite on DT or what?  I don't even know how to tell anymore without searching Meta for Theymos's monthly update thread, and even then I don't know who's on DT2.

I think bpip.org has this
- DT1 https://bpip.org/Report?r=dtstrength
- DT2 https://bpip.org/Report?r=dt2strength

I can't be sure if that's all the list. Maybe suchmoon can confirm later.

[suchmoon]

I think bpip.org has this
- DT1 https://bpip.org/Report?r=dtstrength
- DT2 https://bpip.org/Report?r=dt2strength

I can't be sure if that's all the list. Maybe suchmoon can confirm later.

Hmmm... these don't seem to be accurate. I'll check what's going on there.

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=WhiteManWhite

Hover on DT1 under the avatar - it shows strength 4. That's accurate.

[Yogee]

.....
Hmmm... these don't seem to be accurate. I'll check what's going on there.

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=WhiteManWhite

Hover on DT1 under the avatar - it shows strength 4. That's accurate.

I was only looking for the list of DT1 and DT2 actually but I can't see it on the home page [can this be done?] so I tried the "report". The inaccuracy in strength is just a coincidence. I don't even understand what is it for.

[suchmoon]

I was only looking for the list of DT1 and DT2 actually but I can't see it on the home page [can this be done?] so I tried the "report". The inaccuracy in strength is just a coincidence. I don't even understand what is it for.

That's the difference between how many DT1 members include or exclude that user. If strength is 0 or more - the user is in DT, if it's negative then not in DT. So if that number is not accurate then the whole list might be inaccurate... that's why I said I'll need to double-check it.

Edit: it's probably accurate but at the end of the DT2 list there are DT1 members shown with "0" strength. That's what looked suspicious to me. I don't think they should be there. But otherwise the lists seem to be fine. Carry on