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As many of you already know, the VAR was created a few years ago in football. Often to the horror of many people and players / coaches.
Who does not remember the quarter finals of Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur 2 seasons ago? However, that is not the reason for my post.
Lately I have been observing football matches with my laptop open to see what the consequences are if you make a bet right after a goal that has yet to be officially approved and viewed by the VAR. For example; a score of 1-1 and the odds for a draw is around 1.80. Then a goal is scored, and the team that has taken the 2-1 lead gets a odds of around 1.12 with 10 minutes to play.
Set your bet at this odds of 1.12 and your bet will be accepted by the system. The VAR then checks this situation and comes to the conclusion that the player has his foot out of play: offside
The goal is disallowed. The score remains 1-1 and the odds of 1.12 are therefore no longer valid. How do bookmakers deal with this situation? Do they leave the bet intact or can it still be canceled?
I want to make the point that you as a player can be both favored and disadvantaged. You could also exploit (abuse) the system by placing a bet on a draw after 2-1 (odds of around 6.50 for example).
If it is then accepted by the system, you have a big advantage because the actual value after the rejected goal must be around 1.80.

Does anyone have experience in this, or does anyone know how bookmakers deal with such a situation? The odds are not locked all the time, so there is the option to bet immediately once the goal has been scored.

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November 04, 2020, 02:30:16 PM
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The only experience I have of this is every bookie I use (online) have a suspended marker when a goal goes in so you can’t bet on something that is affected by VAR. They essentially stop you from betting on the game.


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November 04, 2020, 02:36:35 PM
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The only experience I have of this is every bookie I use (online) have a suspended marker when a goal goes in so you can’t bet on something that is affected by VAR. They essentially stop you from betting on the game.

Well, sometimes the VAR only comes in late when the bookies have already re-opened the betting (with the then incorrect result).

In general all bets are voided then, but as always some bookies might take advantage of the situation and void the bets which are unfavourable for them and let the others stand. I have seen it all Wink

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November 04, 2020, 05:34:43 PM
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In general all bets are voided then, but as always some bookies might take advantage of the situation and void the bets which are unfavourable for them and let the others stand. I have seen it all Wink
The bookies has a business to run so I would not wonder if they decide something in their favor. Fact is they always do LOL
But to be honest that bet should be void always in this type of situation because if the goal is void then the result that happened for this void goal is void too. So, logically voiding the bet should be the best practice.


From my own experience, I have never had this situation. The bookies always have their market suspended until the goal is 100% confirmed. 

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November 04, 2020, 05:36:33 PM
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It also depends on which bookie you have. Not every bookmaker will block all odds at that time.  Even a grey are for 2 seconds can be enough to place the bets.
It would be fairer to block bets altogether until it is clear whether a goal has been scored, but think it might be not easy to do so and complicated.

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November 04, 2020, 06:25:45 PM
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As far as I can see, at least on two sports betting sites...

It isn't possible to place a bet as soon as a goal is scored, even if the VAR is called or not, the betting panel on the site is "frozen" for a few minutes before you can return to betting.
This occurs even on occasions where there is a clear offside and the goal is canceled immediately.

I just didn't get a chance to check how fast they are to freeze the site after a goal is scored.

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November 04, 2020, 07:47:04 PM
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Lately I have been observing football matches with my laptop open to see what the consequences are if you make a bet right after a goal that has yet to be officially approved and viewed by the VAR. For example; a score of 1-1 and the odds for a draw is around 1.80. Then a goal is scored, and the team that has taken the 2-1 lead gets a odds of around 1.12 with 10 minutes to play.
Set your bet at this odds of 1.12 and your bet will be accepted by the system. The VAR then checks this situation and comes to the conclusion that the player has his foot out of play: offside
The goal is disallowed. The score remains 1-1 and the odds of 1.12 are therefore no longer valid. How do bookmakers deal with this situation? Do they leave the bet intact or can it still be canceled?
I want to make the point that you as a player can be both favored and disadvantaged. You could also exploit (abuse) the system by placing a bet on a draw after 2-1 (odds of around 6.50 for example).
If it is then accepted by the system, you have a big advantage because the actual value after the rejected goal must be around 1.80.

Does anyone have experience in this, or does anyone know how bookmakers deal with such a situation? The odds are not locked all the time, so there is the option to bet immediately once the goal has been scored.
This is so thoughtful of you, I wonder how I've not thought of experimenting this or just having to ask myself what might it be should that be the case or perhaps, most of us aren't found of bettingbon live games. If referee turns out to disallow goal and your stock with 1.12 in a supposed draw match and your already sure of loosing as you've made a stake in win, it's going to hurt so bad. That's the irony of the whole situation but fair as it goes both ways. Hence, it's best your watching the game to have a personal satisfaction before placing such bets with hopes that the referees will go along with your good judgment.
I applaud users on the forum, you guys are really thoughtful and it's very encouraging on others to do the same. Nice one.

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It also depends on which bookie you have. Not every bookmaker will block all odds at that time.  Even a grey are for 2 seconds can be enough to place the bets.
It would be fairer to block bets altogether until it is clear whether a goal has been scored, but think it might be not easy to do so and complicated.
If they're very fast in accepting live bets it's possible but most of the live betting i've experienced with bitcoin bookies takes like 5-10 seconds to get accepted.

And even if someone gets away with the VAR delay it's only a matter of time until they'll add a delay or another solution similar to it.

In general all bets are voided then, but as always some bookies might take advantage of the situation and void the bets which are unfavourable for them and let the others stand. I have seen it all Wink
I've experienced this too, sometimes they'll have a few weird rules just to turn down a winning bet.

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November 05, 2020, 08:07:52 AM
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personally i haven't experienced this one but i think this is good topic to discuss for what i have remember i read a user from some sports betting ann thread discuss this topic. it looks like most of the bookies will always decide in favor of themselves.

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November 05, 2020, 09:08:29 AM
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All the major sport bookies immediately suspend any betting once a goal is scored and sometimes directly when a penalty is awarded.How fast a bookie responds to these events depend on the bookies,some respond faster and some slower but one thing is for sure,betting is suspended from a few seconds to a few minutes depending on the case.So far I have not seen any VAR related problem for the bookies.


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November 05, 2020, 09:39:12 AM
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Lately I have been observing football matches with my laptop open to see what the consequences are if you make a bet right after a goal that has yet to be officially approved and viewed by the VAR. For example; a score of 1-1 and the odds for a draw is around 1.80. Then a goal is scored, and the team that has taken the 2-1 lead gets a odds of around 1.12 with 10 minutes to play.
Set your bet at this odds of 1.12 and your bet will be accepted by the system. The VAR then checks this situation and comes to the conclusion that the player has his foot out of play: offside
The goal is disallowed. The score remains 1-1 and the odds of 1.12 are therefore no longer valid. How do bookmakers deal with this situation? Do they leave the bet intact or can it still be canceled?
I want to make the point that you as a player can be both favored and disadvantaged. You could also exploit (abuse) the system by placing a bet on a draw after 2-1 (odds of around 6.50 for example).

Does anyone have experience in this, or does anyone know how bookmakers deal with such a situation? The odds are not locked all the time, so there is the option to bet immediately once the goal has been scored.

In general all bets are voided then, but as always some bookies might take advantage of the situation and void the bets which are unfavourable for them and let the others stand. I have seen it all Wink
The bookies has a business to run so I would not wonder if they decide something in their favor. Fact is they always do LOL
But to be honest that bet should be void always in this type of situation because if the goal is void then the result that happened for this void goal is void too. So, logically voiding the bet should be the best practice.


From my own experience, I have never had this situation. The bookies always have their market suspended until the goal is 100% confirmed.  

@wildan88 usually I sympathise with the gambler if his bookie cancels his winning bet due to a technicality, but in this case I would throw my support in the bookies favour because the gambler is intentionally cheating, and I also feel that it’s unethical to do this. @BitcoinGirl.Club you’re right the bet will definitely be voided, and I feel that the gambler’s account could be suspended too for trying to cheat the system.

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November 05, 2020, 10:14:53 AM
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Do they leave the bet intact or can it still be canceled?
I have not seen this before, but betting sites are very transparent in a way customers will not be cheated, if such happen, I am 100% sure the bet will be canceled. After the match has finished, you will see your fund back on your betting balance, it will be intact, nothing will be added and nothing will be deducted. Like the betting site I am using, you will even be sent message, telling you the reason for the bet to have been canceled. But, also know that if the game later led to 2:1 or 3:1, the game will still be canceled because of the alteration.

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November 05, 2020, 10:38:40 AM
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@wildan88 usually I sympathise with the gambler if his bookie cancels his winning bet due to a technicality, but in this case I would throw my support in the bookies favour because the gambler is intentionally cheating, and I also feel that it’s unethical to do this.

It's not always the users fault or having bad intentions. Especially in the early days when VAR was introduced, the bookies just re-opened the markets no matter what after a goal was scored and everyone believed the score was correct - even the players, teams, officials. So the punters placed their bets, that got accepted and then suddenly the VAR came into play to check things.

Nowadays all involved parties have learned better how to deal with the VAR and you basically can't cheat the system no more, even if you wanted Wink It's still a race for the bookies as to who is the fastest to re-open betting to get the biggest piece of the cake, but they wait way longer in comparison to when this was introduced and make sure the score is correct and VAR won't intervene no more.

But then again I wouldn't rule out the possibilty of bookies still taking advantage, because it's easy for them. Lets say they kind of know that a scored goal will get nullified. But they still re-open the markets to get action. They can just void the bets they don't like (with the reasoning, hey you tried to cheat us) and let the other bets stand. And if it turns out, that the standing bets surprisingly win in the end, they can just void them after the final whistle too Wink


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@wildan88 usually I sympathise with the gambler if his bookie cancels his winning bet due to a technicality, but in this case I would throw my support in the bookies favour because the gambler is intentionally cheating, and I also feel that it’s unethical to do this. @BitcoinGirl.Club you’re right the bet will definitely be voided, and I feel that the gambler’s account could be suspended too for trying to cheat the system.
I do not thing there is any cheating.

A goal has scored and referee signaled it's a goal
A punter now bet on the team to win
After 30 seconds somethings happens and the referee wants to check the goal (VAR comes)
The goal is disallowed
The market goes back to normal

In this case the punter actually did not cheat. The bookie can void the bet but if the match ends against the bet that was placed for the error in the game then the punter is losing money here.

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November 05, 2020, 11:05:51 AM
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What Op is asking is just as it is seen in cash outing system in the cash out system, you have the chance to do your cash out transaction when the cash out is allowed, meaning when you have the signal but can't do that when signal is off. Likewise this too I think the betting won't be active when the VAR issue isn't resolved.
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November 05, 2020, 11:13:02 AM
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Does anyone have experience in this, or does anyone know how bookmakers deal with such a situation? The odds are not locked all the time, so there is the option to bet immediately once the goal has been scored.

Thanks for bringing up this topic. I have recently faced exactly this issue while I was doing live betting. It happened on FortuneJack. I set a bet for which team is going to score next right after a goal was happened. The game went on, but after around 30 seconds after kick-off, the match was interrupted by the referee because VAR detected a foul right before the goal was happened. After short check the goal was cancelled. As you described the odds immediatley changed again and FortuneJack cancelled my bet and credited my stake. I think this is the best option a bookmaker can do.

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November 05, 2020, 12:45:29 PM
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As you described the odds immediatley changed again and FortuneJack cancelled my bet and credited my stake. I think this is the best option a bookmaker can do.
FortuneJack did the right thing and this is what we are talking about too. If a goal is cancelled then anythings that changed because of this error should be settled down as void. But I bet all the bookies will not think the same. I would not wonder if I see any bookie is not voiding or voiding a bet to favor themselves of a situation.

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November 05, 2020, 01:17:26 PM
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What the Fortunejack did was a good one but I highly doubted too if the other sports betting website will do the same thing. This is actually a good topic to discuss with personally I haven't experienced this before hopefully all of the bookmakers would void the bet but it looks like the player can't do anything if the bookmakers don't void the player's bet.

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November 05, 2020, 02:47:59 PM
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Stake have exception with this VAR I remember when Manchester United get winning at the last minutes after VAR give penalty kick for Manchester United after view VAR, The referee blew the long whistle and the score was 1-1, but there was an incident at the last minute and Manchester United got a penalty, even though the match was over even the players had entered the dressing room. It is very controversial for things that happen like this, there are even some clubs that benefit more from the existence of VAR, maybe next season a league is better without VAR so that football has its own art.

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November 05, 2020, 05:01:45 PM
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Nice idea, but it would never work with my bookies or my connection. I actually try to bet live sometimes and I do watch when my team Spurs is behind,,, I immediately want to bet on them to win or sometimes give them a 0.5 handicap so I can hope my team scores and wins.

But markets is always suspended when goal happens and then now they wait for VAR before they restore the market:)

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