[Trump vs Biden] Free Debate Thread, Untainted by Mainstream Propaganda

[Spendulus]

^^^ I feel badly, too... when someone shows me how I thwarted myself as badly as you thwarted yourself. But, come on, man. Life goes on. Take it easy. You're liable to bust a gut when you get all upset like that. Lol.

Well yeah I admit it, I did bust a gut, I lmao at your retarded posts.... as per usual...

....statewide vote counts for each candidate to see if the data set does indeed follow Benford's Law?
I did. And it does. ...

And in your opinion, that means...

What?

The vote count follows Benford's Law.
Why do you need my opinion? You already know it. I'm not here to debate silly voter fraud nonsense.
....

Because I was/am curious if you could/di pick the right group, or subgroup, to measure.

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[Hamukione]

I personally hoped to see Donald take another 4 years, but if Biden won fair and square, then it is what it is.

But Trump did not do as bad as msm is trying to but it.

Lots of peace deals in the middle east, North Korea finally chatting up South Korea and a bit more.

Looking forward to see if msm is going to be as harsh on Biden, as they were on Trump.
#RussiaGate xD

[BADecker]

^^^ I feel badly, too... when someone shows me how I thwarted myself as badly as you thwarted yourself. But, come on, man. Life goes on. Take it easy. You're liable to bust a gut when you get all upset like that. Lol.

Well yeah I admit it, I did bust a gut, I lmao at your retarded posts.... as per usual...

....statewide vote counts for each candidate to see if the data set does indeed follow Benford's Law?
I did. And it does. ...

And in your opinion, that means...

What?

The vote count follows Benford's Law.
Why do you need my opinion? You already know it. I'm not here to debate silly voter fraud nonsense.

Even though we obviously differ in ideology, I enjoy reading your non political  posts, they show a lot of intelligence.
Which is why I'm baffled at your refusing to accept reality, I honestly thought you were better than that.
Your guy lost. Republicans know it, Trump even knows it. This is all theater to appease his base, and it's getting ridiculous. Let it go man.

Yep! Benford's Law is another great evidence asset for the Republicans, showing that Trump must have won.


Benford’s law proves Biden didn’t win election

Play-pretend “President-Elect” Joe Biden is in more hot water after it was determined using Benford’s law that there is almost no chance he legitimately won the state of Michigan – or any other key swing state, for that matter.

Though many are unfamiliar with it, Benford’s law is a computational system that has been used time and time again to unearth election fraud. It was used in the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections, for instance, as well as in the 2003 California gubernatorial election. It has also been admitted as evidence in criminal cases at the federal, state and local levels.

When plugging in data straight from the city of Detroit’s election results page, for instance, Benford’s law shows that something very unnatural occurred on the Biden side, while Trump’s side showed a natural distribution of votes.

In laymen’s terms, Biden’s vote totals do not make any logical sense apart from fraud. Using Benford’s law calculations, his final numbers in Michigan do not match at a 99.999% significance level, meaning they are obviously and almost undeniably fraudulent.

[Spendulus]

Looking forward to see if msm is going to be as harsh on Biden, as they were on Trump.
#RussiaGate xD

No you're not. You know the answer.

[Zanab247]

The November US presidential election just concluded by giving out the results of the election which make Joe Biden who pulled 306, to defeat his incumbent Donald Trump who pulled 250 that make him to lose the election to Joe Biden, who citizens really voted massively to make sure Biden fulfill his campaign promises.
The battle is not yet over with Donald Trump which many secret behind the election rigging that make the electoral college not to count some vote that belong to Donald Trump. I think it will hard for the election to favour Trump because many citizens don't want him back to be their president 2021. Joe Biden is the choice of US citizen that is the reason why they surprise Biden with massive vote.

[BADecker]

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TRUMP WON WITH 407 ELECTORAL VOTES!!!
Louie Gohmert reports on Scytl server raid in Germany tied to Dominion Voting Systems

https://twitter.com/dochartdc/status/1328507075044012032?s=21&fbclid=IwAR3Wndn_a-esyvqbImejvIhZZ0WlqXkRgrq4CcIe5Mw_l1d9JNEZWa1SZFE

[Spendulus]

The November US presidential election just concluded....

Not quite yet, the best is yet to come...

[mu_enrico]

2012:
Obama: 65,915,795
Romney: 60,933,504
Total: 126,849,299

2016:
Trump: 62,984,828
Hillary: 65,853,514
Total: 128,838,342

2020:
Trump: 73,698,667
Biden: 79,683,304
Total: 153,381,971

*data from Wikipedia

Try to look at the total number of votes as it has abnormal growth in 2016 -> 2020. Based on this reason alone, if Trump's score is legitimate, he won by a landslide.

[TwitchySeal]

2012:
Obama: 65,915,795
Romney: 60,933,504
Total: 126,849,299

2016:
Trump: 62,984,828
Hillary: 65,853,514
Total: 128,838,342

2020:
Trump: 73,698,667
Biden: 79,683,304
Total: 153,381,971

*data from Wikipedia

Try to look at the total number of votes as it has abnormal growth in 2016 -> 2020. Based on this reason alone, if Trump's score is legitimate, he won by a landslide.

It's true. If we subtract 14 million votes from Biden, and subtract zero votes for Trump, Trump won in a landslide.  lol.

[Spendulus]

2012:
Obama: 65,915,795
Romney: 60,933,504
Total: 126,849,299

2016:
Trump: 62,984,828
Hillary: 65,853,514
Total: 128,838,342

2020:
Trump: 73,698,667
Biden: 79,683,304
Total: 153,381,971

*data from Wikipedia

Try to look at the total number of votes as it has abnormal growth in 2016 -> 2020. Based on this reason alone, if Trump's score is legitimate, he won by a landslide.

It's true. If we subtract 14 million votes from Biden, and subtract zero votes for Trump, Trump won in a landslide.  lol.

Wait...you mean the Biden voters were supposed to only vote once?




https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/20/dominion-voting-systems-lawyers-up-abruptly-backs-out-of-pa-state-house-fact-finding-hearing/

Dominion Voting Systems ‘Lawyers Up,’ Abruptly Backs Out of PA State House Fact-Finding Hearing

By Debra Heine

November 20, 2020
Dominion Voting Systems Thursday night abruptly backed out of attending a fact-finding hearing that was set for Friday morning with the Pennsylvania House State Government Committee.

At a press conference Friday morning, State Govt Committee Chair Seth Grove said the 1.3. million Pennsylvanians who used Dominion’s voting machines have been “hung out to dry and slapped in their faces.”

Pennsylvania lawmakers had scheduled the hearing with the voting machine manufacturer “to help identify and correct any irregularities in the election process,” according to the House Republican Caucus.

[TwitchySeal]

2012:
Obama: 65,915,795
Romney: 60,933,504
Total: 126,849,299

2016:
Trump: 62,984,828
Hillary: 65,853,514
Total: 128,838,342

2020:
Trump: 73,698,667
Biden: 79,683,304
Total: 153,381,971

*data from Wikipedia

Try to look at the total number of votes as it has abnormal growth in 2016 -> 2020. Based on this reason alone, if Trump's score is legitimate, he won by a landslide.

It's true. If we subtract 14 million votes from Biden, and subtract zero votes for Trump, Trump won in a landslide.  lol.

Wait...you mean the Biden voters were supposed to only vote once?




https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/20/dominion-voting-systems-lawyers-up-abruptly-backs-out-of-pa-state-house-fact-finding-hearing/

Dominion Voting Systems ‘Lawyers Up,’ Abruptly Backs Out of PA State House Fact-Finding Hearing

By Debra Heine

November 20, 2020
Dominion Voting Systems Thursday night abruptly backed out of attending a fact-finding hearing that was set for Friday morning with the Pennsylvania House State Government Committee.

At a press conference Friday morning, State Govt Committee Chair Seth Grove said the 1.3. million Pennsylvanians who used Dominion’s voting machines have been “hung out to dry and slapped in their faces.”

Pennsylvania lawmakers had scheduled the hearing with the voting machine manufacturer “to help identify and correct any irregularities in the election process,” according to the House Republican Caucus.

If suddenly I was at the center of a qanon level crazy conspiracy and millions of delusional Trump followers were convinced I was helping Hugo Chavez make America Communist by changing millions of votes...I wouldn't be making any public appearances for a while either.  No matter what I said or did or proved, if it's critical of Trump - it's bias fake news, witch hunt, etc.  If it's critical of Trumps enemies, it's 100% true and oh so obvious.

[Spendulus]

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If suddenly I was at the center of a qanon level crazy conspiracy and millions of delusional Trump followers were convinced I was helping Hugo Chavez make America Communist by changing millions of votes...I wouldn't be making any public appearances for a while either.  No matter what I said or did or proved, if it's critical of Trump - it's bias fake news, witch hunt, etc.  If it's critical of Trumps enemies, it's 100% true and oh so obvious.

Odd how it's the same people that were pushing the Russian Collusion Conspiracy theory on Election Interference for several years are now ...

Wait, that' you!

[BADecker]

Judge Orders Release Of Dominion Voting Machine Report Saying Machines INTENTIONALLY FLIPPING VOTES


Judge Orders Release Of Dominion Voting Machine Report Saying Machines INTENTIONALLY FLIPPING VOTES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqyfCRkayRs

[squatz1]

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If suddenly I was at the center of a qanon level crazy conspiracy and millions of delusional Trump followers were convinced I was helping Hugo Chavez make America Communist by changing millions of votes...I wouldn't be making any public appearances for a while either.  No matter what I said or did or proved, if it's critical of Trump - it's bias fake news, witch hunt, etc.  If it's critical of Trumps enemies, it's 100% true and oh so obvious.

Odd how it's the same people that were pushing the Russian Collusion Conspiracy theory on Election Interference for several years are now ...

Wait, that' you!

But there was merit to the Russian stuff. The info relating to Russia buying ads and sowing disinformation online to get people to be divided is something that did happen, and there is evidence to support it. Multiple people charged.

Did Donald Trump collude? No. There's no evidence to support that. But did the Russians sow disinformation and try to divide Americans from one another? Yes. That was the goal and that is what happened.

What's the goal here Spendulus?

[Gyfts]

Trump tweeted that 92% of Republicans think the election was rigged...

Depending on the definition of "rigged", he might be right. If you include media bias/interference a part of the word rigged, the number sounds believable.

I think a better polling question would be something related to the amount of voter fraud. Something like - "Do you believe there was enough voter fraud present to overturn the election results". The percentage would probably drop considerably.

 

[squatz1]

Trump tweeted that 92% of Republicans think the election was rigged...

Depending on the definition of "rigged", he might be right. If you include media bias/interference a part of the word rigged, the number sounds believable.

I think a better polling question would be something related to the amount of voter fraud. Something like - "Do you believe there was enough voter fraud present to overturn the election results". The percentage would probably drop considerably.

 

Lot of Republicans doubt the fairness of the election, this poll is saying somewhere in the realm of 60-70% of them, though these same Republicans who were polled do still think (a majority of them at least) that Joe Biden won the Presidency.

Ton of Republicans think that vote counts / mail in ballots caused fraud too, this poll is saying above 80% of them think that.

So yes, Republicans think the election was rigged. Doesn't change if it was or not. I like your question though, that's a good one.


https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/12/11/who-won-the-2020-presidential-election-joe-biden-or-donald-trump-depends-whom-you-ask/

[Gyfts]

Trump tweeted that 92% of Republicans think the election was rigged...

Depending on the definition of "rigged", he might be right. If you include media bias/interference a part of the word rigged, the number sounds believable.

I think a better polling question would be something related to the amount of voter fraud. Something like - "Do you believe there was enough voter fraud present to overturn the election results". The percentage would probably drop considerably.

 

Lot of Republicans doubt the fairness of the election, this poll is saying somewhere in the realm of 60-70% of them, though these same Republicans who were polled do still think (a majority of them at least) that Joe Biden won the Presidency.

Ton of Republicans think that vote counts / mail in ballots caused fraud too, this poll is saying above 80% of them think that.

So yes, Republicans think the election was rigged. Doesn't change if it was or not. I like your question though, that's a good one.


https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/12/11/who-won-the-2020-presidential-election-joe-biden-or-donald-trump-depends-whom-you-ask/

Interesting source. It mentions that a survey found over 50 percent of Republicans believe that Trump actually won.

I'm not sure if there's a twist to this. You can't misinterpret "winning" an election, there's no ambiguity. Hope there's not that many delusional Republicans.

[squatz1]

Trump tweeted that 92% of Republicans think the election was rigged...

Depending on the definition of "rigged", he might be right. If you include media bias/interference a part of the word rigged, the number sounds believable.

I think a better polling question would be something related to the amount of voter fraud. Something like - "Do you believe there was enough voter fraud present to overturn the election results". The percentage would probably drop considerably.

 

Lot of Republicans doubt the fairness of the election, this poll is saying somewhere in the realm of 60-70% of them, though these same Republicans who were polled do still think (a majority of them at least) that Joe Biden won the Presidency.

Ton of Republicans think that vote counts / mail in ballots caused fraud too, this poll is saying above 80% of them think that.

So yes, Republicans think the election was rigged. Doesn't change if it was or not. I like your question though, that's a good one.


https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/12/11/who-won-the-2020-presidential-election-joe-biden-or-donald-trump-depends-whom-you-ask/

Interesting source. It mentions that a survey found over 50 percent of Republicans believe that Trump actually won.

I'm not sure if there's a twist to this. You can't misinterpret "winning" an election, there's no ambiguity. Hope there's not that many delusional Republicans.

Here are some more polling outlets talking about all of this

Politico - https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/republicans-free-fair-elections-435488 - 70% of Republicans think the election wasn't free/fair, 78% beleive there was fraud from the mail in ballots,.

NY Times has an interesting spin on things, as partisanship cause people to think that there's no way their candidate could lose without fraud. They go the angle of seeing how many Republicans actually believe these claims - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/upshot/republican-voters-election-doubts.html

I like the NY Times way of this, as many said the same thing in 2016 in regards to actual fraud when it comes to ballots (which the Russians never did), and probably in 2012 and 2008 as well.

[Natsuu]

~SNIP~

Here are some more polling outlets talking about all of this

Politico - https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/republicans-free-fair-elections-435488 - 70% of Republicans think the election wasn't free/fair, 78% beleive there was fraud from the mail in ballots,.

NY Times has an interesting spin on things, as partisanship cause people to think that there's no way their candidate could lose without fraud. They go the angle of seeing how many Republicans actually believe these claims - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/upshot/republican-voters-election-doubts.html

I like the NY Times way of this, as many said the same thing in 2016 in regards to actual fraud when it comes to ballots (which the Russians never did), and probably in 2012 and 2008 as well.

nice take, but those partisans especially the rights there say, don't like news like this that gives sounded opinions regarding the issue. Someone even accused NY Times like you mentioned to be racist in every post they made, but the link you provide, doesn't even have the slight hint of racism in it.

the Idea of idolizing someone from political parties never really suits me well. Political leaders must be supported but never be idolized, he is the one who leads and represent the country, so especially in a democratic country, the leader must act accordingly.

[mu_enrico]

I still don't buy how Biden could score 80 million votes and managed to flip states in a very narrow margin. However, I don't live in the US to feel if the hate for Trump is so overwhelming to make this phenomenon happen.

Meanwhile, the Indonesian regional elections were successfully held despite Covid*.

*Lot's of officials got infected lol, that's the price for a democracy