Covid vaccine: First 'milestone' vaccine offers 90% protection

[Charles-Tim]

The first effective coronavirus vaccine can prevent more than 90% of people from getting Covid-19, a preliminary analysis shows. The developers - Pfizer and BioNTech - described it as a "great day for science and humanity". Their vaccine has been tested on 43,500 people in six countries and no safety concerns have been raised.The companies plan to apply for emergency approval to use the vaccine by the end of the month.

How does it work?
There are around a dozen vaccines in the final stages of testing - known as a phase 3 trial - but this is the first to show any results. It uses a completely experimental approach - that involves injecting part of the virus's genetic code - in order to train the immune system. Previous trials have shown the vaccine trains the body to make both antibodies - and another part of the immune system called T-cells to fight the coronavirus.



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[Spendulus]

The first effective coronavirus vaccine can prevent more than 90% of people from getting Covid-19....

I'd be very cautious about believing things like that.

Or all of a sudden, are we able to stop the common cold?

[Natsuu]

The first effective coronavirus vaccine can prevent more than 90% of people from getting Covid-19....

I'd be very cautious about believing things like that.

Or all of a sudden, are we able to stop the common cold?

Can we treat common cold?, the answer is very simple, YES. but why is it that we don't have any vaccine for it?, this is just my opinion and analysis for why is it.

Having a vaccine for such a common cold will drain the income of any pharmaceutical company cause to vaccinate is to "treat with a vaccine to produce immunity against a disease" -google, while with a simple treatment, the cold will be gone but can comeback anytime which will produce a constant income for the pharmaceutical because the medicines needed for the treatment will still be available to be purchased from them.

It is all about business I think. So you will ask me now, why get a vaccine for covid 19?
because they can generate a large income and many competitors already started to find the vaccine for it. If they will stick to their old style plan, they will be left out from this large amount of demand in the market.

[cabron]

Pharms is the most corrupt industry in the entire world, this is why the Chinese alternative medicine and acupuncture still are being practised because its more sensible than taking tons of pills that will just shut your kidneys. Anyway, if the vaccine works I think they pharms should just provide for all and not create varieties of it which the cheaper vaccines are less potent and the pricey ones are very potent.

This thread will once again end up a thread of conspiracy theories.
If there is just a subforum for conspiracy theories in bitcointalk, it will be populated in less than a day. Mods will probably move more threads there.

[tvbcof]

Pharms is the most corrupt industry in the entire world, this is why the Chinese alternative medicine and acupuncture still are being practised because its more sensible than taking tons of pills that will just shut your kidneys. Anyway, if the vaccine works I think they pharms should just provide for all and not create varieties of it which the cheaper vaccines are less potent and the pricey ones are very potent.

This thread will once again end up a thread of conspiracy theories.
If there is just a subforum for conspiracy theories in bitcointalk, it will be populated in less than a day. Mods will probably move more threads there.

How would you define 'conspiracy theory'.  And why?  Examples of what would and would not be classified as a 'conspiracy theory'?

I hope you could make a stab at answering this relatively straightforward question given that you are actively arguing for a 'solution' which is based on editing information based on the classification methods I am asking about.

[BADecker]

How does it work?

Here's how it works. Political science, not medical science. Political science says "WIN," no matter if you need to lie to do it.

What is political science? Whoever talks the most, loudest and best is the winner.

The picture in the OP is a bunch of political science. Let's see the medical and physical science that proves that the political science isn't lies this time. Do we have anybody who is willing to get on the stand and bring actual proof into court?... proof that doesn't include assumptions and guesses?... proof that can't be contradicted in any way?

This is important. We are talking the lives of people and nations here. We need real proof, not just a bunch of blab that anyone can slobber out of that hole in his face.

[o_e_l_e_o]

What is political science? Whoever talks the most, loudest and best is the winner.

You are so close to a revelation.

Do we have anybody who is willing to get on the stand and bring actual proof into court?... proof that doesn't include assumptions and guesses?... proof that can't be contradicted in any way?

Proof, like a randomized, placebo controlled, phase 3 trial with 44,000 participants? Or proof, like anti-vaxxers and conspiracy nuts just making stuff up as they see fit?

We need real proof, not just a bunch of blab that anyone can slobber out of that hole in his face.

So close.

[akram143]

Pharms is the most corrupt industry in the entire world, this is why the Chinese alternative medicine and acupuncture still are being practised because its more sensible than taking tons of pills that will just shut your kidneys. Anyway, if the vaccine works I think they pharms should just provide for all and not create varieties of it which the cheaper vaccines are less potent and the pricey ones are very potent.

This thread will once again end up a thread of conspiracy theories.
If there is just a subforum for conspiracy theories in bitcointalk, it will be populated in less than a day. Mods will probably move more threads there.

Any medicine in the Allopathy treatment may give you side effects and this is an accepted fact in this world, but why people still chooses this treatment when they have natural way of curing with no side effects because the results are instant compared to other methods so any emergency treatment need medicine and people won't care about the consequences which may arise years later.

[o_e_l_e_o]

but why people still chooses this treatment when they have natural way of curing with no side effects because the results are instant compared to other methods

Because the other methods don't work. Acupuncture and alternative medicine are pseudo-scientific quackery, and are only used in modern times to transfer money from the gullible to con men.

[BADecker]

What is political science? Whoever talks the most, loudest and best is the winner.

You are so close to a revelation.

Do we have anybody who is willing to get on the stand and bring actual proof into court?... proof that doesn't include assumptions and guesses?... proof that can't be contradicted in any way?

Proof, like a randomized, placebo controlled, phase 3 trial with 44,000 participants? Or proof, like anti-vaxxers and conspiracy nuts just making stuff up as they see fit?

We need real proof, not just a bunch of blab that anyone can slobber out of that hole in his face.

So close.

Have you seen a virus?
It is claimed that they are so small that only an Electron Microscope (EM) can see them.
Other "seeing" of viruses is based on chemical actions that are assumed to present the reality of a virus.

EM viruses are "dead" viruses, which are not active. There is much assumption going on regarding what a dead virus would have done and has done in its "living" position in some human body.

Personally, I believe that with the advent of the Microsphere Nanoscope (MN) - a microscope that can see living viruses in living tissues - researchers are finding that a lot of past assumptions about viruses are being proven wrong. Since the MN was only invented in 2011, and there are many forms of it being put together, we are finding out through them, that there is a whole lot of complexity about the whole living system, that makes our past simple assumptions about viruses and what they do, to be a whole lot of science fiction.


The proof for viruses and what they do and how they "live" would not be forthcoming in a court of law. We might get some medical experts who say that they believe that this or that is happening, but there is no proof that it is not something else that is happening. The virus is still outside of our range of true knowing.

This also makes virus treatment something that is outside the range of our knowing. And when you look at the record of treated viruses in a pandemic, there is nothing that proves that it was the vaccines or medicines that cause the collapse of the pandemic. Many pandemics were on their way to being gone before the medical stepped in with their supposed cures.


The point is, we don't really have proof for viruses and what they do.

[Soldierswitlittlefaith]

@Charles

"...Their vaccine has been tested on 43,500 people in six countries and no safety concerns have been raised..."

You forgot to mention that it should be preversed with 0- (-5) degree temp. for it t be effective)

This is crap! The is no need of mentioning any % in regards to the protection. The developers should go ahead to test this vaccines first on their children,wife, family members ..

[Spendulus]

...
Proof, like a randomized, placebo controlled, phase 3 trial with 44,000 participants?
...

I'm good with the vaccine and the study, and this being a go...just saying take the 90% with a grain of salt.

For example, 90% of exactly what? Age? Pre existing? Ethnic? You know the drill.

[franky1]

ok lets clear up the inaccuracies

1. the pfizer vaccine is not taking the rna of the neucleus(central part that tells a cell what to replicate)
2. the pfizer vaccine is taking rna from the spikey shell that 'knocks on door' of a cell asking to be let in
3. the 90% is not 90% of all 22k vaccine participants

the 90% is based on this
44k total participants .. 22k had the vaccine 22k had a placeblo
out of all 44k so far only ~95 people then got covid. where ~85 were in the placebo group and 9 were in the vaccine group

so the ASSUMPTION is that the 2 groups should have had same risk of getting covid. and by a placebo group having 85 cases and vaccine group only having 9. they judge it as a v9:85p thus 90% effectivity

but these numbers are based on only 100 of the 44k being exposed to covid. meaning its too early to actually know

[KaneVWE]

ok lets clear up the inaccuracies

1. the pfizer vaccine is not taking the rna of the neucleus(central part that tells a cell what to replicate)
2. the pfizer vaccine is taking rna from the spikey shell that 'knocks on door' of a cell asking to be let in
3. the 90% is not 90% of all 22k vaccine participants

the 90% is based on this
44k total participants .. 22k had the vaccine 22k had a placeblo
out of all 44k so far only ~95 people then got covid. where ~85 were in the placebo group and 9 were in the vaccine group

so the ASSUMPTION is that the 2 groups should have had same risk of getting covid. and by a placebo group having 85 cases and vaccine group only having 9. they judge it as a v9:85p thus 90% effectivity

but these numbers are based on only 100 of the 44k being exposed to covid. meaning its too early to actually know

Do you mean 100 were initially for sure exposed to covid in sufficient dose to certainly infect non vaccinated people?
Maybe better to have dosed the entire sample with covid and see the difference?


I will try to read about the entire experiment more deeply.
The 90% seems a open to a few factors that were not controlled and could have contributed to the difference between the groups other than the vaccine. Then again I'm not clear on the conditions or duration of experient. Will have look.

[franky1]

ok lets clear up the inaccuracies

1. the pfizer vaccine is not taking the rna of the neucleus(central part that tells a cell what to replicate)
2. the pfizer vaccine is taking rna from the spikey shell that 'knocks on door' of a cell asking to be let in
3. the 90% is not 90% of all 22k vaccine participants

the 90% is based on this
44k total participants .. 22k had the vaccine 22k had a placeblo
out of all 44k so far only ~95 people then got covid. where ~85 were in the placebo group and 9 were in the vaccine group

Do you mean 100 were initially for sure exposed to covid in sufficient dose to certainly infect non vaccinated people?
Maybe better to have dosed the entire sample with covid and see the difference?

pfizer/biontech were not giving people the vaccine/placebo. and then later giving people covid
instead they give the vaccine/placebo and tell the participants to go away and do normal life stuff and if the participants then get covid in their normal lives. tell the trial about it.
so far only 94 people have been exposed to covid in their normal lives and when biontech look at which groups those 94 fall into they found 9 in the vaccine group and 85 in the placebo group

meaning 21.9k from each group have yet to be exposed.
meaning less than 0.05% exposure rate
meaning to soon to be of an international indicator for advocating its good for billions of people to take

..
im all for vaccines. but so far its too soon to call it

[Fortify]

It's great news that a vaccine has been found, although we should definitely be cautious about celebrating too soon. As you can see with scenarios like the mink farms in Denmark, it is possible for the virus to mutate and this might make the vaccine less effective if the mutation spreads widely. At least now there is some additional the ability to fight back and help the world get back to a semblance of normality. All efforts need to be made to ensure that only a totally safe vaccine is released, otherwise if there are any currently unknown side effects - it might stop people from taking future vaccines and this could be even more devastating in the long term.

[Renampun]

...

I welcome this good news...
I hope this information is valid and the vaccine is 100% safe for the human body. since the outbreak of this outbreak, many countries claim they have found a vaccine but until now that is just nonsense. those affected by this epidemic must be eagerly awaiting this good news to be spread so that the economy returns to normal and jobs are opened again.

[BADecker]

The test on which this was based was some 43,000 people. The results were based on only 94 people. And these people could have been located anywhere in the world since Pfizer has tests going in about 150 countries. This means that nobody knows if the results of 94 people might match YOU or not. In addition, there are no long-term results.

The test is a big scam. 94 people matching billions of people in the world? No long-term results? What a joke! But you are convinced, right?

[Rabi3]

i think it's just the same crap we heard multiple times from Russia and the US, but it's still better than the drug they tried in Brazil that resulted in
a death of a volunteer, let's just hope for the best, we can't do anything about it, it's in their hands.

[BADecker]

LIVERPOOL LOCKDOWN - Watch the video. Is this what you want to happen to you? It's what biden would do.

Aided by British military, Liverpool have initiated a mass covid testing program on its population, in an attempt “to control #Covid19”. No matter how often tests prove to be inaccurate, it doesn’t seem to be stopping governing authorities in Europe, and parts of the US, from tightening their grip on the people. But there is hope. True to the spirit and tradition of Liverpool lore, the people, and elements of the science and academia, are challenging the draconian measures.

[franky1]

badecker. you fully know there are area's full of idiots that ignore the small advisory things.
then more cases happen due to the ignorance.
then the advisories end up having to get stronger. and some still ignore it
then people get peed off with following it for so long and not see it getting better so they take risks

it then gets to a point where something really has to be done to try to get people to not loiter around others, not gather when they are infected.

the PCR test is more accurate and can pick up covid by day 2. but people are only able to take the test when they have symptoms or been told they been in contact within 5 days. and they dont take the test until the following day and dont get results until the day after that.

this means if someone is infected on day 0 and starts getting symptoms on day 5 they wont be told to stay home until day 7 meaning with it being infectious to other people on day 3. means thats 4 days of people still gathering and loitering

the 'quick'/rapid test. will pick up the virus on day 3,, an tell peopel results same day meaning there is only a 1 day risk of them passing it on.. far better than 4day risk of other slower test

however it only really works great if people have a rapid test 2 times a week. every week so they can be isolated quickly to reduce the risk of passing it on

if this works. then they can cut the infection spread down dramatically within days/weeks rather then months
and by getting the spread down. then the restrictions can be relaxec

so here is the point for once actually think about following the rules and get people you know to follow the rules too. and you will find the combined effort of you and others limiting the spread risk. you wil find the restriction rules being relaxed sooner

the more your community ignore the rules and protests the rules. the longer the rules will be in force

[franky1]

The test on which this was based was some 43,000 people. The results were based on only 94 people. And these people could have been located anywhere in the world since Pfizer has tests going in about 150 countries. This means that nobody knows if the results of 94 people might match YOU or not. In addition, there are no long-term results.

The test is a big scam. 94 people matching billions of people in the world? No long-term results? What a joke! But you are convinced, right?

you have no clue. there is no 'might match you'

its 44k with 22k having vaccine and 22k having a placebo
out of the whole group so far only 94 people have been exposed to covid. where 85 are the placebo group

it simply means the HOPE that the vaccine group is better because they only had 9 exposures. meaning the HOPE is that there were more but the vaccine dealt with it quick and easy

but this is not 100% science of knowing ~95 on each side had it or purposefully exposed

it can simply be that out of the 2 groups. the placebo group took more risks and gathered more and loitered more to have more people get covid.

its still too early
personally id rather see 11k+ of each 22k put into high risk proximity of sick people. and have them get it and see that a vaccine has a nice high % of asymptomatics in the vaccine group far higher then the placebo group

[BADecker]

badecker. you fully know there are area's full of idiots that ignore the small advisory things.
then more cases happen due to the ignorance.
then the advisories end up having to get stronger. and some still ignore it
then people get peed off with following it for so long and not see it getting better so they take risks

As long as you fail to recognize that the PCR test simply multiplies whatever is fed to it - multiplies it within the test itself - so that it looks like a problem that doesn't really exist, there isn't any reason to even read what you say.

Since the PCR test suggests that cases are going up, up, up... but since the deaths are going down, down, down... the PCR test is shown to be the wrong thing, or else Covid isn't all that dangerous.

Covid Testing Fraud Uncovered - https://www.bitchute.com/video/d7NLLMTDXfSA/. Watch the video.

As cases of coronavirus rise across America, shouldn’t death rates be going up too? Del breaks down how #COVID tests may be seriously flawed by providing less than accurate results and why the majority of positive cases could be false.

[franky1]

Since the PCR test suggests that cases are going up, up, up... but since the deaths are going down, down, down... the PCR test is shown to be the wrong thing, or else Covid isn't all that dangerous.

end of september-start of october had ~700 deaths a day
mid-late october seen 900
start of november seen 1000
mid november is at 1400

here is the thing there is a 2-4 week delay from someone getting covid vs when they die
so while october had only ~60k infection test results. november had 180k
meaning deaths will surpass 1.8k a day.

yep death stats are on the rise
but the sudden covid positive 3x in the last 2weeks means a 3x expectation of deaths in december
emphasis december.. because people dont die instantly

funny how you think deaths are going down..
maybe your stuck reading conspiracy propaganda from May

wake up its november

[Mauser]

i think it's just the same crap we heard multiple times from Russia and the US, but it's still better than the drug they tried in Brazil that resulted in
a death of a volunteer, let's just hope for the best, we can't do anything about it, it's in their hands.

But Pfizer and biontech are both listed companies, both of them need to accept other forms of supervision than the Russian government. I don't think it's possible to say you have a vaccine which doesn't actually work. Just look at the large number of investors in the companies. The stock prices made insane jumps. Imagine it's just a hoax, they could be sued for billions probably by investors. And Pfizer is such a huge company with so many different divisions.

[franky1]

i think it's just the same crap we heard multiple times from Russia and the US, but it's still better than the drug they tried in Brazil that resulted in
a death of a volunteer, let's just hope for the best, we can't do anything about it, it's in their hands.

But Pfizer and biontech are both listed companies, both of them need to accept other forms of supervision than the Russian government. I don't think it's possible to say you have a vaccine which doesn't actually work. Just look at the large number of investors in the companies. The stock prices made insane jumps. Imagine it's just a hoax, they could be sued for billions probably by investors. And Pfizer is such a huge company with so many different divisions.

they have stated facts. that out of 95 that got infected 90% are in placebo group and 10% in vaccine group . so them saying they seen a 90% better result in the vaccine group. is accurate

however its only 95 people being exposed to covid out of 44000. so its too early to tell

its like funding 2 groups of students totalling 44000 student to have scholarships
only 95 people have had midterm exams. where its 85fail rate in one group and 9 in another group

far to soon to be saying 'every scholorship will have 90% better results than other group at final exams'

id prefer to wait for a few thousand in each group to have been exposed to covid.
and not base 44k on just 95 results

they do say 'preliminary.intermediary results' so legally they are covered. but the way media and press grab it and exagerate it as a final exams instead of just midterms. just means media are not stating the facts

media is also saying people will get vaccines in december
but the pfizer/biontech guys are saying if people get the vaccine to any high herd amount then things might start getting back to normal by winter 2021. but wont be any noticable change in spring-summer 2021

[BADecker]

But if the vaccine doesn't work, or isn't accepted by the people, Canada has the answer. Go to the site. The pictures are terrific.


Canadian government publishes bid request for “Programmable Hydraulic Guillotines” needed “in support of Canada’s response to COVID-19”

The Canadian government, on its official acquisition website (Buyandsell.gc.ca) is requesting bids for “Programmable Hydraulic Guillotines” as part of, “products and services in support of Canada’s response to COVID-19.”

The listing number is 45045-190091/A, and it is found at this link:
https://buyandsell.gc.ca/procurement-data/tender-notice/PW-PD-005-78707

Additional details on the bid include:

Reference number: PW-$$PD-005-78707
Solicitation number: 45045-190091/A
Region of delivery: National Capital Region
Notice type: Notice of Proposed Procurement (NPP)
GSIN: N7520: Office Devices and Accessories
Procurement entity: Public Works and Government Services Canada

The “Programmable Hydraulic Guillotines” listing on the Canadian government’s website is explained on the site as “products and services in support of Canada’s response to COVID-19.”

“Guillotine” is a term that describes a mechanical device with a powerful chopping blade that can slice things apart. Although there are industrial uses for cutting devices — such as in the book publishing industry — the term “guillotine” specifically refers to a device intended to execute human beings.

As the Cambridge online dictionary explains, “guillotine” is a device that’s used to kill people by cutting off their heads:

 

Here’s an image of a paper cutting machine, which is more commonly called a “shear” or cutting machine. This is not a guillotine, even though paper cutting companies might be used as a front for acquiring actual guillotines:

Antifa and left-wing BLM terrorists have recently displayed mock-up guillotines on the streets of America as part of their protest actions, demanding that the people with whom they disagree be executed via guillotine. Guillotines were also used in the French Revolution to execute political dissidents who opposed the incoming socialist regime.


Canadian official asks why covid camps are being constructed in Canada, gets silenced

[Gyfts]

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Big%20Gretch%22

Disclaimer: I understand Twitter leftist do not represent real life liberals, but god damn do democrats bend the knee to these mentally deficient people.


"Big Gretch" is trending by a bunch of brain dead twitter leftist because apparently, they think it is empowering and courageous to implement state wide lockdowns. Read through some of these tweets under the hashtag if you want to lose brain cells. Leftist are praising the Governor of Michigan because she is closing down high schools/colleges, gyms, in door dining, ect.

There isn't any significant scientific evidence that COVID-19 spread is going on at schools, yet this useless Governor is halting in class learning. She is shutting down colleges as well, despite the college aged crowd having a mortality rate of <.1%

American Academy of Pediatrics endorse opening schools - https://services.aap.org/en/news-room/news-releases/aap/2020/pediatricians-educators-and-superintendents-urge-a-safe-return-to-school-this-fall/


Leftist want shut downs because they want the government to baby them, and democrats are trying to save themselves from the liability of COVID-19 deaths by shutting down their states partly because of pressure from the far left. These people don't have lives, they don't have jobs, yet this is what the democratic party has come down to, obeying these deranged twitter leftist. The clear and effective strategy is to protect the most vulnerable. Healthcare capacity is not overwhelmed, no point in a state wide shut down in Michigan.

It's amazing to me that Biden's message was that he would follow the science. Perhaps he should consult his fellow democrats.

I also think reading through this hashtag it shows fundamental differences between people with common sense and twitter leftist. Twitter leftist are afraid to leave their cardboard box and venture out into the world. They let a disease that has a <1% mortality rate dominate their lives to the point that they believe it's appropriate to lock down until a vaccine is available. Again, this is what the democratic party has amounted to. Normally no one would give these guys the time of day, but not anymore. In case anyone was wondering how the Republicans picked up 10 seats in the house, you have your answer.

[Spendulus]

But if the vaccine doesn't work, or isn't accepted by the people, Canada has the answer. Go to the site. The pictures are terrific.


Canadian government publishes bid request for “Programmable Hydraulic Guillotines” ...

for laboratory mice...

[franky1]

"Big Gretch" is trending by a bunch of brain dead twitter leftist because apparently, they think it is empowering and courageous to implement state wide lockdowns. Read through some of these tweets under the hashtag if you want to lose brain cells. Leftist are praising the Governor of Michigan because she is closing down high schools/colleges, gyms, in door dining, ect.

There isn't any significant scientific evidence that COVID-19 spread is going on at schools, yet this useless Governor is halting in class learning. She is shutting down colleges as well, despite the college aged crowd having a mortality rate of <.1%

reduce the spread now in november. or suffer even more in december.
by this i mean even stronger restrictions in december = cancel christmas if nothing done now

gyfts you say there isnt any evidence
https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98163_98173_102480---,00.html
ill summerise it, as it seems your afraid to click links and check sites
as of 9th november 49 schools have an outbreak(there is a table listing them as 'new outbreaks')
in the last few weeks prior there is more(i cant be assed to count them)
but the point is. yep schools are spreaders

by this it shows every week there have been outbreaks affecting many schools

i know your an adult but ill pretend that your concerned emotionally about schools because you have kids.
so you must know even if kids dont die. they are still runny nosed snotty coughing cesspits of bugs and nasties. every parent always has spare tissues handy to clean up their kids

so if you think that kids need to die to be spreaders. maybe you need to re-assess your 'science'
kids care less about hygiene. teenagers bathrooms and bedrooms are evidence of that.
they dont even do their own laundry. so just think of the lack of respect they have for hygiene

you will realise shutting down schools and gyms for 3 weeks now my help get infection numbers down. (nothing to do with death) but getting infection rate down. thus less spread to pass onto weak immune people in december. meaning less need to shut down in december. meaning happy christmas

[franky1]

the pfizer/biontech vaccine wanted to release results with only 94 exposures .. mhm 94 out of 44000
moderna just releast results at 54 exposures.. mhm 54 of 30000


but here is the funny. in as early as july america/UK said that they will be paying out money upfront to mass produce many millions of each candidate vaccine 'just incase' one passes tests to then have stocks ready an waiting to then give to people when its ready to give to people

well in both cases no mass doses are stockpiled.
pfizer is saying 1month just to have a few million of the 40mill the UK ordered
if i ordered 40mill in july.. i would want them to be produced already. and jsut waiting in refrigerators
yet as of this week they are saying they dont even have the refrigerators let alone the stockpiles

..
but anyways these preliminary results are small scale initial findings. and not what any science would call final victory results worthy of enabling a safety certificate for mass population injecting

they can be used to atleast get the ball rolling to show its worthy of mass producing thus accepting government money to mass produce and thus start the profit train of share prices. but dont expect things to be back to normal and herd vaccinated before summer 2021

i am provaccine. but these results are just too small scale to even think of telling my elderly parents they should rush to get first in line. for now im prefering to tell them to hold off a lil longer and wait for more results in spring-summer results before deciding

[tvbcof]

the pfizer/biontech vaccine wanted to release results with only 94 exposures .. mhm 94 out of 44000
moderna just releast results at 54 exposures.. mhm 54 of 30000

but here is the funny. in as early as july america/UK said that they will be paying out money upfront to mass produce many millions of each candidate vaccine 'just incase' one passes tests to then have stocks ready an waiting to then give to people when its ready to give to people

well in both cases no mass doses are stockpiled.
pfizer is saying 1month just to have a few million of the 40mill the UK ordered
if i ordered 40mill in july.. i would want them to be produced already. and jsut waiting in refrigerators
yet as of this week they are saying they dont even have the refrigerators let alone the stockpiles

Pfizer's needs to be at -94 F !?!  I'm still trying to figure out what that's all about but it certainly doesn't seem to be 'normal'.  I mean we are down into superconductor cryogenics at those kinds of temps.  WTF is going on here?

To bad I didn't invest in very specialized and unusual cryogenic refrigeration units which nobody has but every hospital (in a few wealthy Western countries) suddenly needs in two weeks time.

..
but anyways these preliminary results are small scale initial findings. and not what any science would call final victory results worthy of enabling a safety certificate for mass population injecting

they can be used to atleast get the ball rolling to show its worthy of mass producing thus accepting government money to mass produce and thus start the profit train of share prices. but dont expect things to be back to normal and herd vaccinated before summer 2021

The vaccine doesn't stop people from getting an spreading this common cold.  Haven't you heard?  It's not tested for it and it doesn't do it.  If it makes the symptoms noticeably less (for a 'disease' which for most people is so mild they don't notice it and is a minor sniffle for a day or two for most of the rest) then it is a 'success' and big pharma can start raking in tax dollars for their product.  And Bill Gates can meet his objectives as well whatever they might be...he talks a lot about population problems...

People with a very modest understanding of the science will recognize that the above translates into 'herd immunity' being no longer a factor in the vaccination program.  So, Mr. Frank-n-beans, what is?  Inquiring minds wanna know.

i am provaccine. but these results are just too small scale to even think of telling my elderly parents they should rush to get first in line. for now im prefering to tell them to hold off a lil longer and wait for more results in spring-summer results before deciding

Dude!  People are not supposed to live much past their productive years (which for most people starts on the day they were born given the rapidly advancing state of technology.)  Getting cold feet on Technocracy now are we?

[franky1]

to answer tvbcof..
dont know why your asking me. google has answers. try it. its how i find things out. i do the research
anyway:

why -90^oF
when dealing with elements/substances at the nano level. they can be interfered with and break down very easily from simple things like light and room temperatire
so freezing them is kinda 'noise cancelling' out normal room temperature/light interference

the thing is. they knew of these temperature requirements in may-july. they had 6 months to do something
the other thing is for example the main governments take UK example they sidelined enough funds for 360mill doses for the 8 main candidates (8x40mill)
this again was public knowledge in july
the idea was to before any results were in. to have stockpiles ready.
but its november.. and no stockpile. no storage facility.

their hope now is to skip storage and just fit refrigerated trucks that pick up daily production and take it straight to doctors practices within 48 hours. and repeat repeat repeat. basically only allowing each practice to administer only so many a day where practices will have to fight over demand.


no vaccine for common cold
there are vaccines for common flu. and thats the seasonal flu jab
but the common cold attacks the body in a different way and is so varied they cant create a identifier safe pathogen that will help trigger your immune systems response long term

its kind of like having road rules for cars but then saying 'well cyclists dont have these rules so cars shouldnt have rules'
sorry they are two different things and cyclists dont have licence plates to easily identify a bad rider to then punish them

it becomes common after multiple seasons where it has varied so much that its hard to identify any single varient that is spreading
you can usually spot the difference because a common cold has been around so long that the bodies first defense in the nose and mouth are triggered (runny nose and flemmy mouth coughs)
new viruses are soo new the bodies first defense doesnt recognise it. so no runny nose. thus less removeal at the entrance to the body.

technocrisy
i dont fear technology. i dont fear science..i dont fear vaccines. but when private capitalist companies exagerate science to make:
people have hope 6 months before theres a chance.
claims that affect share prices before actually helping a single person

i dont fear calling out media stories if they are exagerating things. but i also call out idiots making conspiracy
i try to stick to the facts no matter what side they lean

darwins law
i understand you think people should die naturally. but my opinion is if there is ways to improve peoples lives and let them live happily and longer by not being killed off by bad luck.
EG if 100people are 90yo. and 3 dies due to bad luck of getting covid. thats got nothing to do with 'oh well their 90 they should die' its 'they could have lived along with the other people of their age if covid was not involved.

100 years ago the average life expectancy was 45..
so when you reach 45.. should you suicide yourself because you expired passed the 'natural' un healthcare life expectancy? i know sarcastically you will say you would volunteer to kill yourself. but deep down your happy to expect to live to 85+

[tvbcof]

to answer tvbcof..
dont know why your asking me. google has answers. try it. its how i find things out. i do the research
anyway:

why -90^oF
when dealing with elements/substances at the nano level.

Fascinating.  Tell me more about the 'nano level' stuff in the vaccine.  Google isn't helping much.  And, given that cryogenic cooling is not commonplace thus necessitating a logistics panic, seems that there is something new and interesting going on here.  I wonder what it could be...

they can be interfered with and break down very easily from simple things like light

That's it!  My key to riches:  Invent and patent a container which doesn't allow light to enter!

and room temperatire

There's a pretty big difference between 'room temp' and -94 F.

so freezing them is kinda 'noise cancelling' out normal room temperature/light interference

Ah.  Wow.  Makes perfect sense!  Thanks for the enlightenment.  How didja get so smart? :^)

...
but deep down your happy to expect to live to 85+

That's the age that all my grandparents lived to except one who made it into his 90's (in spite of all having had cancer.)  So ya, I'll most likely hit that age.  Assuming, of course, I can avoid the programmable death 'nano level stuff'.

I think the evidence is that humans have always lived to that age in significant numbers (assuming food resources) and have the bodies to do it.  Earlier the mortality rate of people in their earlier years due to warfare, hunting accidents, childbirth, etc, was a lot higher so the 'life expectancy' was drastically lower on a population level basis, but physiologically humans have not changed almost at all in the last several thousand years.  Most people are to innumerate to grasp the concept...one of the goals of the public educational system.  The 'trans-humanists' have a plan to finally accelerate the rate of change, and it happens to align well with the needs of the 0.001%.  That's most likely what the so-called 'covid-19' so-called 'vaccine' is all about.

[Ridcan]

43500 person is too many.  This news is very special news for the world.  The fact that the founders of the bioNTech company mentioned in the news are two Turkish scientists is another source of pride for us.  It was a very descriptive and beautiful post.  about to meet again after we got our coronavirus vaccine Thanks for this good news @Charles-Tim

[tvbcof]

43500 person is too many.  This news is very special news for the world.  The fact that the founders of the bioNTech company mentioned in the news are two Turkish scientists is another source of pride for us.  It was a very descriptive and beautiful post.  about to meet again after we got our coronavirus vaccine Thanks for this good news @Charles-Tim

Take a good look at the people who are going to be designing your genetic material when you take the so-called 'vaccine':



Lovely.  Who's your daddy?

[o_e_l_e_o]

Moderna now reporting similar results with their vaccine, with a 94% protection rate. Having spent hundreds of hours over the last several months personally treating the sickest COVID patients and watching countless people suffer and die lonely deaths without their loved ones being able to visit and the devastation this virus is causing to families, I'll be jumping at the chance to take either of these vaccines. Thankfully, I'll be one of the first they are offered to when they are rolled out.

If I suddenly start talking about how great Microsoft is you'll know for sure that the nanochip inside them is working.

[Spendulus]

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There's a pretty big difference between 'room temp' and -94 F.
...

Lots of good stuff in your posts, but FYI liquid nitrogen is extremely common and very cheap. It lasts a really long time in a styrofoam dewar.

[tvbcof]

Moderna now reporting similar results with their vaccine, with a 94% protection rate.

'protection' being defined as having 'less severe' symptoms when you get the virus.  'Less severe' than nothing in most cases and less severe than a day long runny nose in most of the rest.  That's the kind of definitions you get out of 'testing' which is designed to succeed.

Having spent hundreds of hours over the last several months personally treating the sickest COVID patients and watching countless people suffer and die lonely deaths without their loved ones being able to visit and the devastation this virus is causing to families,

Fewer and fewer people believe your sob-story bullshit as the months drift by and, upon surprise inspection, the 'covid bed' is empty upon inspection because the 'patient' needed to go home and feed his pigs.

I'll be jumping at the chance to take either of these vaccines. Thankfully, I'll be one of the first they are offered to when they are rolled out.

Here's the kind of shots that insiders get:  https://www.bitchute.com/video/cKGyvH3evLPQ/

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In other news, loooook at what the researchers at thehighwire dug up!  Holy sheep-shit!  Brace for impact when the vaccine is injected because the U.K. govt is expecting fireworks.

Vid:  THE DEADLY IMPACT OF LOCKDOWN - 1:34:00

https://thehighwire.com/watch/

[o_e_l_e_o]

'Less severe' than nothing in most cases and less severe than a day long runny nose in most of the rest.

I'm hoping for less severe than "dying alone on a ventilator".

Fewer and fewer people believe your sob-story bullshit as the months drift by and, upon surprise inspection, the 'covid bed' is empty upon inspection because the 'patient' needed to go home and feed his pigs.

Right. Every hospital and every member of healthcare staff in the United States world is in on a massive secret conspiracy to tell everyone that hospitals are working beyond capacity for some top secret reason, but you've figured it all out based on zero evidence at all. Well done you!

[franky1]

Fewer and fewer people believe your sob-story bullshit as the months drift by and, upon surprise inspection, the 'covid bed' is empty upon inspection because the 'patient' needed to go home and feed his pigs.

when an idiot looks at a video of another idiot that stands in the lobby entrance of a hospital. and just walks around the lobby. never going into a ward. and then screams 'where are the patients'
the smart answer is they dont put beds in the lobby. the covid wards are separate and secure. random people cant just walk into them

whats next go to a hotel and because theres no couples making love on beds at reception your going to say the hotel is fake.
or will you take a braincell and use it to remember that hotels dont have beds in the reception area

if you are one of those people that do sleep on the floor ofthe reception area of a hotel. maybe, just maybe you should actually rent a room. trust me its a whole different experience than sleeping in at reception

but before even trying to rent a room.. find that braincell

[BADecker]

'Less severe' than nothing in most cases and less severe than a day long runny nose in most of the rest.

I'm hoping for less severe than "dying alone on a ventilator".

Fewer and fewer people believe your sob-story bullshit as the months drift by and, upon surprise inspection, the 'covid bed' is empty upon inspection because the 'patient' needed to go home and feed his pigs.

Right. Every hospital and every member of healthcare staff in the United States world is in on a massive secret conspiracy to tell everyone that hospitals are working beyond capacity for some top secret reason, but you've figured it all out based on zero evidence at all. Well done you!

You're kinda are getting the point. But the conspiracy isn't the one you are thinking about. The conspiracy is a conspiracy of keeping their job and making money.

There are only a literal handful of people in the world who might have isolated the Covid virus so that they really know what it is. Even the CDC has said that they don't have any stocks of Covid to compare tests to, so that they can see if a particular test is really showing Covid.

This shows us what the conspiracy is. It's a conspiracy of basic ignorance being played out in the desire for money and job security, with the excuse being, "Well, I really don't know personally. I am trusting my superiors who will discipline me if I don't trust them."

Fortunately we have thousands of medical people around the world coming out and showing all kinds of truth about what the pandemic and Covid really are... like America's Frontline Doctors (https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/). But it seems that a whole bunch of more-ignorant medical people (some of them acting criminally) want to keep the pandemic going, rather than work with the easy Covid cures already in existence.

[tvbcof]

'Less severe' than nothing in most cases and less severe than a day long runny nose in most of the rest.

I'm hoping for less severe than "dying alone on a ventilator".

That's what happens when you pay a hospital $40,000 for every poor sap you can stick on a vent, and the administrative staff keeps the family away so they don't see the murder.  Even the nurses put the tubes outside the room so they didn't have to witness it at Elmhusrt.  At least that's what some of the whistleblowers reported.

All it takes is for creepy so-called 'doctors' to go along with the hoax.  It only takes a small percentage since signing various death-inducing 'treatment' orders only takes a minute.
 

Fewer and fewer people believe your sob-story bullshit as the months drift by and, upon surprise inspection, the 'covid bed' is empty upon inspection because the 'patient' needed to go home and feed his pigs.

Right. Every hospital and every member of healthcare staff in the United States world is in on a massive secret conspiracy to tell everyone that hospitals are working beyond capacity for some top secret reason, but you've figured it all out based on zero evidence at all. Well done you!

We've all seen the videos from all over the world of the ghost-town hospitals.  Like the one in Brazil which was supposed to have 50,000 victims and when some people broke in there wasn't anyone but some medical staff chilling out.

The doctors and nurses in the country I am in cannot even really maintain the fraud of being 'overloaded'.   The best they can do is ask for a 'time out' to prepare for the onslaught which is supposed to be just around the corner.  Any month now it's going to hit.  Just you wait!

The people here have had enough.  All of a sudden almost nobody in my neighborhood are wearing masks over their face, and many don't even have one hanging around their necks.  Kids are out riding their bikes again.  It really hit pretty quickly.

I do have some trepidation because I've heard that the plan is to use 'SARS-cov-2', which just had a tweak to make it transmit differently, and the mainstream media to get people injected.  If that doesn't work they'll hit us with the MERS variant or one in that category which, to quote Bill Gates about 'the next one', 'will get people's attention.'  The mortality of that one could well be up in the 30% range.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/tANGAQ9aCu6E/

[o_e_l_e_o]

Congrats, you've even managed to surpass BADecker in the "most insane bullshit I can make up with zero evidence" stakes!

I guess all those people I've been putting on ventilators have just been faking their sats of 60% and pO₂ of 7 kPa. How devious of them!

[tvbcof]

....

There's a pretty big difference between 'room temp' and -94 F.
...

Lots of good stuff in your posts, but FYI liquid nitrogen is extremely common and very cheap. It lasts a really long time in a styrofoam dewar.

Well enough.  Clearly they are needing an unusual amount of refrigeration for this particular 'vaccine' else there would not be the novel logistics problems which are being reported.

You are, in fact, one of the tiny minority of people on this board who can speak intelligently about scientific stuff when you try.  What do you think is going on with this thing?

We all know that Moderna, Pfizer, and Astrazeneca at the least are trying to get nucleic acid plasmids churning out viral appearing component proteins and structures.  We know that getting it through the cell walls is one of the development problems.  Maderna is trying to zap holes in cells using high voltage shocks.  Astrazeneca is trying to have an adenovirus shuffle it in.  What is Pfizer doing?  Is the extreme low temps associated with their attempted solution?

I'm not asking you for an answer.  I'll root around a bit more when I have time.  If you've looked into it it would be interesting to know what you've found.

[tvbcof]

Congrats, you've even managed to surpass BADecker in the "most insane bullshit I can make up with zero evidence" stakes!

I guess all those people I've been putting on ventilators have just been faking their sats of 60% and pO₂ of 7 kPa. How devious of them!

90% of them are dead.  Nice work there 'doc'.  You should stick to trolling the Bitcoin forum for the good of your (probably imaginary) patients.

[BADecker]

Congrats, you've even managed to surpass BADecker in the "most insane bullshit I can make up with zero evidence" stakes!

I guess all those people I've been putting on ventilators have just been faking their sats of 60% and pO₂ of 7 kPa. How devious of them!

Thanks, o_e_l_e_o. The little link I showed (https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/) is only one of many all over the place. Blindly go back to looking into a microscope, or whatever else it is you do. The world is coming out into the open about this fake pandemic. And here is an example of how it is firmly starting - https://www.bitchute.com/video/coctfqJyHuwu/.

[tvbcof]

...

... Blindly go back to looking into a microscope, or whatever else it is you do.  ...

They call it LARPing.

[o_e_l_e_o]

90% of them are dead.

3 posts ago you said the virus only caused the sniffles. Now it has a 90% death rate? I realize you are just making stuff up as you go, but at least try to remain consistent with your nonsense, yeah?

[BADecker]

^^^ constantly avoiding the main point...

The test results were on only 94 people of a test group of 43,500 from around the world... where it is not known if the 94 test subjects have any anatomical resemblance to you.

Ninety-four people are the norm for all the billions of people around the world? Mwahahahahahaha.

[franky1]

the doctors badecker keeps linking are the ones that are profiting at the cost of peoples health
you can tell because badecker is promoting the products they are selling
the problem is those doctors are not virologists. most are not even active doctors treating patients
those that are treating patients are ones that are child doctors. thus they have no clue about the illnesses of adults/vulnerables..

but hey badecker will still try to advertise stuff for people that dont need it and deny its utility for those that do..
sounds like badecker and tvbcof are both pro eugenics and pro euthaniasia.. 'coz darwin'

when will they even bother daring to do some research
the silly questions they ask the nonsense answers they make. can all be worked out and actually solved using facts with a 2 minute google search. so why after 8 months are they still acting like idiots that only look at conspiracy sites.

maybe they are on some parental lock that doesnt let them search the wider internet
maybe they are unable to read unless its transcribed to voice and only certain sites can transcribe
maybe they are just pretending to be dumb..

who knows.. but one thing is for sure. they have had plenty of time to find the real truth away from conspiracy sites. so they cannot claim they havnt had time/oppertunity.

EDIT:
note to reply to the idiot below
no. american 'clinic' doctors that own their own practice have some that are profiteering pill mills
but more are actually moral doctors.
then there are doctors that work in hospitals. they are not pill mills
then you have to realise. america is capitalist but the other 7.5billion population in 200 other countries are not capitalist.

UK for instance does not sell prescriptions.
canada does not sell prescriptions
europe does not sell prescriptions
there are far more doctors that dont sell prescriptions than those that do

if your doctor acts like a prescription salesman. maybe you should change your doctor..
isnt that the whole point of americans not wanting social healthcare 'choice of doctor' lame arguments.
use that choice and find another doctor
by the way even in social healthcare systems you can change your doctor too. no cost, no debate. just change

[BADecker]

^^^ Don't you even realize that most doctors are in it to make a profit? If bricks could talk, wouldn't you be among them?

[franky1]

The have been other vaccines lately. I hope that we will get a good working one really soon. I am sick of it all

these preliminary results. are not health results big enough for a true safety validation. they are more so first results to ease shareholders minds they are on the right path.

pfizer results based on under 100 people out of 44k(22k on vaccine)
moderna results based on under 60 people out of 30k(15k on vaccine)
oxford might reveal something in the next few weeks.

i am pro-vaccine im just saying these are not final/definitive results.

game tester analogy
employing 30k game testers. and having only 100 game testers coming back saying they completed the game
with 90 on easy mode and 10 on difficult mode. does not prove the beta test game is ready for release
yes the 3 main games announced this month are saying the game wont break the console even on old generation consoles. but yet to prove that the game will entertain all game players

these vaccine announcements are more for governments to say ok start mass producing ready for proper results next year.
(unlike their announcement to have already began mass production before any results in summer)

[BADecker]

A vaccine that:
1. Only will help in 10% of the mild cases;
2. Has loads of acknowledged side effects;
3. Has only been tested for safety on less than 100 of the people in a 43,500 test group out of 7.5 billion people;
4. And is being applied to government for public use status by its maker;
5. Where the maker won't accept liability, and expressely won't for beyond 4 years;
is the kind of vaccine that not only is a failure, but is shown to be dangerous by its maker.

There ain't no 90% protection that anyone knows of.

[B1tUnl0ck3r]

bitcoin is older than those "vaccines" and still in beta... that's why money rule the world and not healthcare .