Is lying or cheating in support of stealing an election okay?

[Spendulus]

Just curious what the attitudes were on this subject.

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[Gyfts]

No, it's not okay under any circumstances. We just need proof. I can't go around pointing to election fraud and have nothing when someone asks me for proof of actual ballots that were submitted fraudulently.

[Broly46]

Fist fight is the fairest competition, in the jungle all men should have no weapon equiped and fight the tiger and lion with barehand, it’s the fair fight. Assuming using spear, knife, gun, nuke is a cheating.
Btw human should fight with stick and stone but not with mouth fight.

[Natsuu]

It will never be okay, first if you support a candidate who you know to be cheating, then you must expect that there will be a high chance of corruption that will happen in that term. Second, stick with "Innocent until proven guilty" cause even if it is the president, if he/she is proven guilty, he must be punished under the law. And lastly, You don't want a thief or a cheater to be the representative, and head of your country.

[Juggy777]

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@Spendulus it’s not okay at all because there’s something called as conscience, and how can any one even sleep at night knowing that they cheated to support their candidate. Lastly I was just reading news reports that the lawyers of the law firms employed by Trump are not happy that they’re helping in endorsing Trump claims that elections results were manipulated, and one of those lawyers even resigned in support of his beliefs.

Source:

https://electionlawblog.org/?p=118412

[Spendulus]

Fist fight is the fairest competition, in the jungle all men should have no weapon equiped and fight the tiger and lion with barehand, it’s the fair fight. Assuming using spear, knife, gun, nuke is a cheating.
Btw human should fight with stick and stone but not with mouth fight.

Well, that's certainly a point of view I did not consider.

[Broly46]

Fist fight is the fairest competition, in the jungle all men should have no weapon equiped and fight the tiger and lion with barehand, it’s the fair fight. Assuming using spear, knife, gun, nuke is a cheating.
Btw human should fight with stick and stone but not with mouth fight.

Well, that's certainly a point of view I did not consider.

Cheating and stealing is everywhere even in bitcoin mining there is stealing and cheating, election won’t be the last of them, there is more everyday happening is unfair that require attention immediately and people tend to give election a lot of damn than anything else, btw nobody would change that unfairness, election would always be always as cheating as possible just like any thing that people fighting to win over it.

[BADecker]

Fist fight is the fairest competition, in the jungle all men should have no weapon equiped and fight the tiger and lion with barehand, it’s the fair fight. Assuming using spear, knife, gun, nuke is a cheating.
Btw human should fight with stick and stone but not with mouth fight.

Well, that's certainly a point of view I did not consider.

I think the Broly46 post is lacking. We have an explanation of "stick," but not of "stone." Or can you find it? But the stick definition contradicts some of the rest of his talk. However, the definition fits right in with what's going on these days. Check it out below.


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[Renampun]

for me of course that is very sinful, it has hurt democracy...
democracy is agreeing on the results of the majority vote, so if we support those who commit fraud in the general election we automatically support the fraudsters to become leaders. a fraudster who gets elected during a general election will only be a disaster for the citizens.

[Broly46]

Fist fight is the fairest competition, in the jungle all men should have no weapon equiped and fight the tiger and lion with barehand, it’s the fair fight. Assuming using spear, knife, gun, nuke is a cheating.
Btw human should fight with stick and stone but not with mouth fight.

Well, that's certainly a point of view I did not consider.

I think the Broly46 post is lacking. We have an explanation of "stick," but not of "stone." Or can you find it? But the stick definition contradicts some of the rest of his talk. However, the definition fits right in with what's going on these days. Check it out below.


This Is My Boomstick!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFriRcIwqNU





EDIT: If you want to see our power for what is right and what is wrong, see this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GULItNlBvJc.

Some believe block chain technology would make a fair election result, that’s baffling, the whole point of bitcoin 51% attack is the abuse of voting system at its finest, I think it would make the election even better to manipulate.

[Spendulus]

for me of course that is very sinful, it has hurt democracy...
democracy is agreeing on the results of the majority vote, so if we support those who commit fraud in the general election we automatically support the fraudsters to become leaders. a fraudster who gets elected during a general election will only be a disaster for the citizens.

I do see it that way, but suspect many do not. After all, a strong minority really hate Trump, and they may feel that cheating and lying is okay to get him out.

Just look at the sorts of things they say.

[af_newbie]

In a democratic system, it should never be allowed or tolerated.

If it can be proven in court that someone broke the law in favor of a given candidate,
the said candidate should be disqualified and banned for life from politics.

[Spendulus]

In a democratic system, it should never be allowed or tolerated.

If it can be proven in court that someone broke the law in favor of a given candidate,
the said candidate should be disqualified and banned for life from politics.

I'd think one to four years in prison would be about right for the active participants. That might have to be a sentence of ten, then with typical early parole one to four.

But what about all the follow-alongs, the ones that know the election was stolen, but go along silently because its their party? And they parrot the talking points, over and over.

Sort of an attempt to gain a consensus in the media.

[KingScorpio]

jes if you get rid of the corrupt democrats

[Febo]

There is no point in running elections if they are not 100% correct. That is why there are  gazillion observers watching how voting goes and how counting votes goes. There are republican,, democrat, independent and foreign  observers.

Here you have what Organisation of American States observers reported on USA elections: http://www.oas.org/documents/eng/press/Preliminary-Report-of-the-OAS-EOM-USA-2020.pdf

[examplens]

Just curious what the attitudes were on this subject.

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I am not sure where you are and what is the level of democracy in your country. But if you live in countries where is democracy very soft and easy to omit, then you can't be surprised with little "embellishment" of the voting process.
As I remember, Trump also uses some non-democratic methods in his first elections. then everyone was taken aback there was no reaction and Trump can be considered as the creator of a voting cheat. now it turned against him.
Just imagine, how it would look like he won again stealing an election? it looks much worse when someone does it from a position.

In the end, what is democracy? Two idiot votes are still double more than one vote from a smart person.

[eddie13]

If they want to secure it with a blockchain, the only way I will accept it as proof is if it is on THE BITCOIN BLOCKCHAIN..

[KingScorpio]

If they want to secure it with a blockchain, the only way I will accept it as proof is if it is on THE BITCOIN BLOCKCHAIN..

the problem is not the vote itself,

the problem is who votes?

the democrats think everyone is allowed to vote, they try to threathen those owning property in the us, so they are afraid

they have their own form of fascism.

while the republicans think only true and hard working noncriminal american citizens are allowed to work that support the wellbeing of the country.

the democrats litterally use foreign greed to maintain their power.

[Spendulus]

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the democrats think everyone is allowed to vote....

No, this is true of a small minority of them. I know many Democrats, and they do not think this way.

But the small minority, here in the US, is very vocal and is assisted by foreign interests.