Live betting question.

[Jordynelson]

The live betting option on betcoinag seems ridiculous to me.

If I'm placing a bet on a game and a point is scored when its processing. It will only accept the bet if no point is scored or a point is scored by the opposing team. If my team scores a point it will cancel 99% of the time. I'm fine with the other team scoring and the bet accepting. I just want it to be fair both ways. It will 100% cancel one way but not the other, It just seems like a huge scam to me. I think it's extremely shady that it operates this way but maybe I'm just overreacting.

Hopefully I explained that properly would love to hear feedback. Thanks

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[gadado]

Can you give a little more details about this, which sport and which market? Optionally followed by a screenshot.
Then we can view and assess it a bit easier.

[Zackgeno96]

The live betting option on betcoinag seems ridiculous to me.

If I'm placing a bet on a game and a point is scored when its processing. It will only accept the bet if no point is scored or a point is scored by the opposing team. If my team scores a point it will cancel 99% of the time. I'm fine with the other team scoring and the bet accepting. I just want it to be fair both ways. It will 100% cancel one way but not the other, It just seems like a huge scam to me. I think it's extremely shady that it operates this way but maybe I'm just overreacting.

Hopefully I explained that properly would love to hear feedback. Thanks

Aren't such things automatically controlled by the system? You would expect it to be programmed to fetch the correct data from the server and then compare it to the current bet. I notice that there is also sometimes a delay on Live betting. There is no other way, because you never give the correct odds every second. Or it must be that they process it manually, but that doesn't seem to me. Yet a point can make more or less a substantial difference. I think you're referring to basketball?

[carter34]

I think for any kind of game you are talking on and with such explanation, I think that is fraud. Is not right to be so that the gambler has to be cheating while trying to bet if a point is scored against him and it will be cancelled if it happens the other way.

[deadthings]

I think for any kind of game you are talking on and with such explanation, I think that is fraud. Is not right to be so that the gambler has to be cheating while trying to bet if a point is scored against him and it will be cancelled if it happens the other way.

I agree with this. I just want to make the comment that a website must be technically sound, and that it should therefore not be possible to benefit from this on the basis of this?
It also depends on the intention of the player, but it cannot always be measured.

[Hamphser]

The live betting option on betcoinag seems ridiculous to me.

If I'm placing a bet on a game and a point is scored when its processing. It will only accept the bet if no point is scored or a point is scored by the opposing team. If my team scores a point it will cancel 99% of the time. I'm fine with the other team scoring and the bet accepting. I just want it to be fair both ways. It will 100% cancel one way but not the other, It just seems like a huge scam to me. I think it's extremely shady that it operates this way but maybe I'm just overreacting.

Hopefully I explained that properly would love to hear feedback. Thanks

Aren't such things automatically controlled by the system? You would expect it to be programmed to fetch the correct data from the server and then compare it to the current bet. I notice that there is also sometimes a delay on Live betting. There is no other way, because you never give the correct odds every second. Or it must be that they process it manually, but that doesn't seem to me. Yet a point can make more or less a substantial difference. I think you're referring to basketball?

This is sometimes the reason on why i dont really prefer on livebets due to possible delays.

@OP its better to make up some short clip or what because this is a serious matter towards Betcoin.ag site which had been known already into this market as one of the legit bookies atm.

or you can make up some complaints into their main thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139.0

[Jordynelson]

The live betting option on betcoinag seems ridiculous to me.

If I'm placing a bet on a game and a point is scored when its processing. It will only accept the bet if no point is scored or a point is scored by the opposing team. If my team scores a point it will cancel 99% of the time. I'm fine with the other team scoring and the bet accepting. I just want it to be fair both ways. It will 100% cancel one way but not the other, It just seems like a huge scam to me. I think it's extremely shady that it operates this way but maybe I'm just overreacting.

Hopefully I explained that properly would love to hear feedback. Thanks

Aren't such things automatically controlled by the system? You would expect it to be programmed to fetch the correct data from the server and then compare it to the current bet. I notice that there is also sometimes a delay on Live betting. There is no other way, because you never give the correct odds every second. Or it must be that they process it manually, but that doesn't seem to me. Yet a point can make more or less a substantial difference. I think you're referring to basketball?

This is sometimes the reason on why i dont really prefer on livebets due to possible delays.

@OP its better to make up some short clip or what because this is a serious matter towards Betcoin.ag site which had been known already into this market as one of the legit bookies atm.

or you can make up some complaints into their main thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139.0

Sure I'll have to deposit there again which isn't happening anytime soon but I'm fine with doing something along those lines. give me a couple days I'll make a video.



And @everyone else This isn't for any particular game. The main problem I have is not that it accepts my bet. It's that my bets get accepted on average at below average odds then what is currently being offered in the match. If what I'm saying is true which I believe it is, They are only accepting matches at equal favor and awful favor to what they have posted. A soccer goal can be scored within that 8 second processing time. A touchdown in football. Which is the nature of live betting but they are basically playing the bettor with their current system.

I also bet on stake and I don't have one complaint about stake live betting because if the odds change. My bet reflects the odds. If I bet on a match at Even odds and a point is scored by the opposing side. My odds shift to match it. It's the least they can do to fix the problem.


Again I'd be 100% happy with the odds being accepted at what I put in if it went both ways. It will not go both ways and I can't just take a picture of this It'd have to be a video. I will work on doing that in the future however I do wanna provide proof and hopefully get them to take action. I like betting there but they either don't believe me or hate me for calling them out.

[Betcoin.AG]

We are aware of the player's complaint, as he threatened earlier he would make said complaint unless he received a bonus. To clarify, the player is upset because his wager was accepted prior to action taking place which was negative for his side and he believes it would not have been accepted had the action worked in his favor. As we explained to him, he received the exact wager he attempted and we cannot refund a bet based on his speculation that it would have worked out differently had a different action occurred. It is interesting that the player mentions Stake, because if you search the forums they have been accused of this same thing, as has every sportsbook with continuous live betting offered, usually by a player who is not clear on how it is supposed to operate. That said, Stake is a great site and we encourage him to play where he has the best experience.

As always, we strongly encourage anyone with experience with our live betting platform to share their feedback, as well. Thanks and best of luck to all!

[Jordynelson]

We are aware of the player's complaint, as he threatened earlier he would make said complaint unless he received a bonus. To clarify, the player is upset because his wager was accepted prior to action taking place which was negative for his side and he believes it would not have been accepted had the action worked in his favor. As we explained to him, he received the exact wager he attempted and we cannot refund a bet based on his speculation that it would have worked out differently had a different action occurred. It is interesting that the player mentions Stake, because if you search the forums they have been accused of this same thing, as has every sportsbook with continuous live betting offered, usually by a player who is not clear on how it is supposed to operate. That said, Stake is a great site and we encourage him to play where he has the best experience.

As always, we strongly encourage anyone with experience with our live betting platform to share their feedback, as well. Thanks and best of luck to all!

To say that I threaten a bonus over this is sad. I asked for a casino bonus this morning but your support is the one that brought up me asking for a freeplay in the ticket not me. I don't wanna show the support tickets but your literally leaving me no choice.. Really shitty move bro

[Intrepidity]

We are aware of the player's complaint, as he threatened earlier he would make said complaint unless he received a bonus. To clarify, the player is upset because his wager was accepted prior to action taking place which was negative for his side and he believes it would not have been accepted had the action worked in his favor. As we explained to him, he received the exact wager he attempted and we cannot refund a bet based on his speculation that it would have worked out differently had a different action occurred. It is interesting that the player mentions Stake, because if you search the forums they have been accused of this same thing, as has every sportsbook with continuous live betting offered, usually by a player who is not clear on how it is supposed to operate. That said, Stake is a great site and we encourage him to play where he has the best experience.

As always, we strongly encourage anyone with experience with our live betting platform to share their feedback, as well. Thanks and best of luck to all!

Now I am not siding with the player against betcoin.ag, for the simple reason in all of the firms I  have bet with and I have 20 years experience of inplay with hundreds of firms, none have ever done this.

Having said that the answer above is rubbish and the lack of clarity as to what should happen is pitiful.

What is the norm(and should have been explained) is that when a bet is submitted the delay kicks in, if no event occurs in this delay time(advantaging EITHER TEAM) then the bet is good and valid.

If the Op has his facts right then it is fraud, but for me I  do not think a firm would do this.
 A lot easier to just not pay winners, as many firms do(no aspirations on (Betcoin.ag)

[ralle14]

I'm not familiar with betcoin's live betting since i've only tried them pre live but if the score changes while you're betting there should be a notification about an odds change asking you to confirm the bet for the second time.

On the other hand it could be just some bad timing since there's a delay. I also experienced this with other sportsbook when I was live betting some tennis match before I could lock my bet the odds kept getting smaller and at the same time my bet gets rejected.

[Intrepidity]

I'm not familiar with betcoin's live betting since i've only tried them pre live but if the score changes while you're betting there should be a notification about an odds change asking you to confirm the bet for the second time.

On the other hand it could be just some bad timing since there's a delay. I also experienced this with other sportsbook when I was live betting some tennis match before I could lock my bet the odds kept getting smaller and at the same time my bet gets rejected.

you are not understanding the dispute.

It is not about the odds changing.

Try and read again the original complaint.

[LimLims]

I'm not familiar with betcoin's live betting since i've only tried them pre live but if the score changes while you're betting there should be a notification about an odds change asking you to confirm the bet for the second time.

On the other hand it could be just some bad timing since there's a delay. I also experienced this with other sportsbook when I was live betting some tennis match before I could lock my bet the odds kept getting smaller and at the same time my bet gets rejected.

you are not understanding the dispute.

It is not about the odds changing.

Try and read again the original complaint.

From the original content it seems me like, it's the matter of odd changing only.
When my team has scored a point and their odds was 1.6x, but as they scored a point and at that time i need to place a bet on 1.6x, then the bets will be rejected. This is due to the lower of the odds for the particular team.
It's common and can be seen in most of the sportsbook.
Rather there should be some settings in the sportsbook where you can enable to automatically accept the new changed odds while betting. This will help not to reject your bet.
Hope this helps you OP.

[rhomelmabini]

The live betting option on betcoinag seems ridiculous to me.

If I'm placing a bet on a game and a point is scored when its processing. It will only accept the bet if no point is scored or a point is scored by the opposing team. If my team scores a point it will cancel 99% of the time. I'm fine with the other team scoring and the bet accepting. I just want it to be fair both ways. It will 100% cancel one way but not the other, It just seems like a huge scam to me. I think it's extremely shady that it operates this way but maybe I'm just overreacting.

Hopefully I explained that properly would love to hear feedback. Thanks

If I were you provide a video explaining it if happens all the time people will just be wondering how was that happening since not all aren't that has familiarity on betcoin platform. You said it yourself that it has a huge chance that it will not accept the bet you have from your team then show some proofI don't think betcoin would stay that longer if they do this.

Keep us updated OP when you already made the video.

[Ayiranorea]

This isn't an issue with betcoin. From my usage on other live betting I used to go with specific odds and if the odd vary based on the match dimension automatically the bet gets rejected. Further when we go with the varied odd, automatically the odd will get confirmed.

[traderethereum]

I suggest to @OP and Betcoin.Ag or support system from Betcoin.Ag to talk privately to solve the problem, and don't talk on here because we don't know anything about @OP, and we only guess what is happening to @OP.
It will not be good if @OP shares the problem if @OP doesn't tell the whole story to us because that can cause misunderstanding between us, causing another problem.
So I hope that @OP can solve his problem and get the right answer from the site, so there is no other problem that needs to be solved.
As long as both sides can talk honestly, I am sure that there is a way to solve it.

[Wicked17]

The live betting option on betcoinag seems ridiculous to me.

If I'm placing a bet on a game and a point is scored when its processing. It will only accept the bet if no point is scored or a point is scored by the opposing team. If my team scores a point it will cancel 99% of the time. I'm fine with the other team scoring and the bet accepting. I just want it to be fair both ways. It will 100% cancel one way but not the other, It just seems like a huge scam to me. I think it's extremely shady that it operates this way but maybe I'm just overreacting.

Hopefully I explained that properly would love to hear feedback. Thanks

I believe you are pertaining to a live bet that when the odds goes low because it is in favor of your bet then the bet will not proceed. I guess there is an option in settings where you could accept all the odds regardless if it goes high or low

[XZERO1]

So you don't trust that their system is giving you the fair chance and those errors that it gives you are on purpose?, did you try asking this in their official ANN thread?, their thread is quite active and certainly you will get some answer from their moderators or other users that could've experienced the same issue as yours, also if they gave you an explanation about this and by any chance you are still doubtful about their system and fairness my suggestion would be to just use another casino since you're not going to have a good time gambling when you are personally still don't trust the process.

[Yogee]

I suggest to @OP and Betcoin.Ag or support system from Betcoin.Ag to talk privately to solve the problem, and don't talk on here because we don't know anything about @OP, and we only guess what is happening to @OP.
It will not be good if @OP shares the problem if @OP doesn't tell the whole story to us because that can cause misunderstanding between us, causing another problem.
So I hope that @OP can solve his problem and get the right answer from the site, so there is no other problem that needs to be solved.
As long as both sides can talk honestly, I am sure that there is a way to solve it.

Talking to support was the first thing Jordynelson did. This topic was created since they cannot come up with a resolution privately. I can't agree with you if you think he should still keep it private after that. I'm with you that more details should have been provided. The problem with this topic is that it still lacks proof that the bet would be cancelled if his team scored. It could be that his bet was already accepted right before the other team scored or right before Betcoin's system changed the odds.

[Beparanf]

The live betting option on betcoinag seems ridiculous to me.

If I'm placing a bet on a game and a point is scored when its processing. It will only accept the bet if no point is scored or a point is scored by the opposing team. If my team scores a point it will cancel 99% of the time. I'm fine with the other team scoring and the bet accepting. I just want it to be fair both ways. It will 100% cancel one way but not the other, It just seems like a huge scam to me. I think it's extremely shady that it operates this way but maybe I'm just overreacting.

Hopefully I explained that properly would love to hear feedback. Thanks

I believe you are pertaining to a live bet that when the odds goes low because it is in favor of your bet then the bet will not proceed. I guess there is an option in settings where you could accept all the odds regardless if it goes high or low

He is not pertaining on changes in odds. He is pertaining to a crucial bet that didn't get accepted whenever the result is in favor of his bet split seconds after he place bet. So typically no odds changes that time if he is telling the truth. This kind of story looks like a bitter post from a user that badly lose in the game. If he can create a video of his live betting gaming that showing what he is talking about here, I might believe him because this kind of issue a flaws in casino coding on accepting bets on live betting.

In simple version of his case, he is accusing the casino that his bet is not accepted split seconds before the score updates whenever the result will be in favor of him while it accept whenever his bet lose. We are talking about live betting so the score is typically varies fast especially on tennis or basketball. I usually do live betting and there's always a seconds delay on placing bets. So this story might be possible on a shady casino. But I'm not telling that his accusation was right.