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November 15, 2020, 09:56:41 AM
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Hello there, I have a question that annoying me last days.

Can anyone explain me please, what happen if Some organization (corporation or country or maybe even some group of people) create Quantum Computer?
How it could affect on Bitcoin if this (let say group of people) want to destroy the whole system.
As I understand with the Power of such computer you could easily select private keys or create a 51% attack?
And probably give advice what to do in that case, I mean it would be enough to store my Bitcoin on cold wallet(It would be safe?), or panic sell in physical gold))

Thank you in advance.
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Quantum Computers are not just super fast computers. Computer made by this technology is specified to solve a specific problem. It needs months and huge money to calibrate it to do this. So if any day there will be quantum computer that will try to attack bitcoin - it will be made in purpose to do only this one thing. Will it be profitable? Probable not because simple fork will make this quantum computer useless.

And you also need to know that this is very far future. And only few companies works on that technology. So in next 10-50 years Google, IBM and someone else mine purpose of doing quantum computers most likely will not be destroying bitcoin - there are more fun, needed for society, profitable aspects that will be the purpose of quantum computers rather than shot to the knee from marketing point of view.
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November 15, 2020, 10:20:58 AM
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First of all, take a look on this thread, it's a nice discussion: I don't believe Quantum Computing will ever threaten Bitcoin.

As far as I know, if a quantum computer so strong as we imagine it gets created from some organization tomorrow, it will be a threat to bitcoin mainly for the public key part. There are already people that try to find a way to reverse a public key back to its private key and I can see that they've done some good work behind all these advanced maths that I don't understand. So, since someone makes a transaction and his public key is known, he may be in danger from such attack. Reversing a public key is "possible", but currently is infeasible. I guess that that's the big problem that bitcoin will face from a quantum computer. It can be faced really easily, though. Once you make a transaction send the rest of the money to a non-used address you own.

The other catastrophic theory is that a quantum computer can brute force a sha256 result. I don't know if that'll be true. I hope not. Otherwise, bitcoin is dead. As for the 51% attack, I wouldn't worry. Even if it happens, it will be something temporary. Sooner or later, the computer will spread to the rest of the world.

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November 15, 2020, 10:41:59 AM
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Quantum Computers are not just super fast computers. Computer made by this technology is specified to solve a specific problem. It needs months and huge money to calibrate it to do this. So if any day there will be quantum computer that will try to attack bitcoin - it will be made in purpose to do only this one thing. Will it be profitable? Probable not because simple fork will make this quantum computer useless.

And you also need to know that this is very far future. And only few companies works on that technology. So in next 10-50 years Google, IBM and someone else mine purpose of doing quantum computers most likely will not be destroying bitcoin - there are more fun, needed for society, profitable aspects that will be the purpose of quantum computers rather than shot to the knee from marketing point of view.

I was thinking that too If someone managed to have a quantum computer it might destroy the Bitcoin but as you said we can avoid this by making a fork but can you elaborate this one?
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November 15, 2020, 10:46:02 AM
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As far as I know, this is just a rumor, there is no proof that quantum computers will destroy cryptocurrencies.
Until now, cryptocurrencies are still very safe, hacker cases also often occur in centralized exchanges,
and private wallets are still very safe, only cases of phishing attack so far.

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November 15, 2020, 11:01:39 AM
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The other catastrophic theory is that a quantum computer can brute force a sha256 result. I don't know if that'll be true. I hope not. Otherwise, bitcoin is dead. As for the 51% attack, I wouldn't worry. Even if it happens, it will be something temporary. Sooner or later, the computer will spread to the rest of the world.

What quantum computing can do in theory is derived your private key if your public key is exposed. So if your public key is not there then there's no way that even a super computer can hack a private key.

And I'm sure that once bitcoin or blockchain is vulnerable, then we will have a consensus to go to the next level of cryptographic hash.

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November 15, 2020, 11:10:42 AM
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What quantum computing can do in theory is derived your private key if your public key is exposed. So if your public key is not there then there's no way that even a super computer can hack a private key.
I'm not sure, but quantum computers, I'm imagining, are known to have an enormous number of calculations per second. Maybe it intervenes the 2256/sec. Again, I'm not sure, I haven't made my search. I'm just saying some words a friend of mine told me. It may be totally BS.

And I'm sure that once bitcoin or blockchain is vulnerable, then we will have a consensus to go to the next level of cryptographic hash.
Yeah, about that. How exactly are we going to do this? Bitcoin developers can't just make many changes to the code. I will be considered as fork. Also, even if they can, the damages that will have been caused from quantum computers will already be huge.

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November 15, 2020, 12:58:10 PM
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For simple understanding, Quantum computers are developed in such a state to perform tasks that weren't possible with the normal computers. As of now the quantum computers can breach the bitcoin network if there isn't no further update. With the present quantum computer it isn't possible to make anything or steal the private key with its power.

Atleast it requires another five to ten years of time to develop a quantum computer that can get into the bitcoin network, by then the bitcoin network will be much updated. Possibly quantum computers will be used in mining in the future.
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Talking about possible threats to bitcoin, quantum computing is one of the top concerns though this is still of the future and nobody can be sure when this technology will be of use to anyone. So I am expecting that by the time quantum is operating and equipped to sow chaos against cryptocurrency, Bitcoin has already evolved a lot and its security is already tight and ready to withstand any kind of threats available. So maybe we should not worry much on this beast as it is still imaginary, to say the least.

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Hello there, I have a question that annoying me last days.

If this question is really bothering you, why didn't you use the search function? Quantum computer threads are created a few times each month, this topic is beaten to the death, nothing new is added each time it is discussed, because there's no breakthrough in quantum computers. Cryptographers around the world are already working on quantum-resistant standards, so when they are released, Bitcoin will adopt them too at some point. /thread

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Hello there, I have a question that annoying me last days.

Can anyone explain me please, what happen if Some organization (corporation or country or maybe even some group of people) create Quantum Computer?
How it could affect on Bitcoin if this (let say group of people) want to destroy the whole system.
As I understand with the Power of such computer you could easily select private keys or create a 51% attack?
And probably give advice what to do in that case, I mean it would be enough to store my Bitcoin on cold wallet(It would be safe?), or panic sell in physical gold))

Thank you in advance.

Lol!! Quantum computers are still being built and has not yet became a reality. Probably we will be able to see a real quantum computer in next 3 - 5 years. But there's no need to panic because quantum computers will not be available in the market for anyone to buy. So no group will be able to use it for destroying bitcoin! Access to such computers will be highly restricted and the developers will be using them for pre-specified tasks! So I see no reason to worry here!

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What will happen when they build a quantum computer? Nothing because a computer like that has already been built and performed some basic calculations. The problem with quantum technology is that it is yet incompatible with current binary systems. It requires some time consuming processes for the data to be prepared for a quantum machine and back, the results have to be translated back to binary and built into a normal code. It will be years before it threatens Bitcoin and when it does, banking will also be at risk. Encryption is used for more than just Bitcoin.

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November 15, 2020, 05:18:46 PM
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Try reading this to have idea what in quantum computer https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Quantum_computing_and_Bitcoin . And read why you should not be afraid about it, even we already have that or we don't I don't think there will be a big affect in crypto space unless someone can bought that computer cheaply which is most likely not.


Try to read his explaination here why they think it will not threatened Bitcoin I don't believe Quantum Computing will ever threaten Bitcoin
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Before you concern about bitcoin due to the risk of quantum computers, maybe you should ask and thought that the banking system and other financial systems are also at risk if this kind of computers is built.

While technology is evolving for future QC that can debunk the present encryption and cryptography capability then expect that blockchain/bitcoin/crypto and other financial technology will evolve too.
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Quantum computers won't destroy Bitcoins
Some reasons for my arguments:
1. Government websites and their softwares are far too vulnerable when it comes to **being destroyed by quantum computers** , so they won't allow these devices to be handled inappropriately but rather their distribution will be highly regulated.
2. They are going to be hella expensive so not like everyone around the corner is going to buy them.
3. Companies and people alike are researching on post Quantum cryptography which means in few years we might have foolproof plan against them.

Therefore I do believe we might find some answers in the future and at the same time the government would for sure regulate it highly like they regulate everything :'))

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Hello there, I have a question that annoying me last days.

Can anyone explain me please, what happen if Some organization (corporation or country or maybe even some group of people) create Quantum Computer?
How it could affect on Bitcoin if this (let say group of people) want to destroy the whole system.
As I understand with the Power of such computer you could easily select private keys or create a 51% attack?
And probably give advice what to do in that case, I mean it would be enough to store my Bitcoin on cold wallet(It would be safe?), or panic sell in physical gold))

Thank you in advance.
This has been discussed many times in the past and the answer is always the same, quantum computers are not going to appear from nowhere so there is going to be time for the developers to take measures against that risk, why don't we take those measures now? Because it is unnecessary, bitcoin has now the backing of a lot of powerful people and changing it just because is not going to sit well with them, so only when the threat of quantum computers becomes realistic that is when the change will be made in bitcoin to resist those attacks, so as you can see there is no need to panic at all.
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And I'm sure that once bitcoin or blockchain is vulnerable, then we will have a consensus to go to the next level of cryptographic hash.
Yeah, about that. How exactly are we going to do this? Bitcoin developers can't just make many changes to the code. I will be considered as fork. Also, even if they can, the damages that will have been caused from quantum computers will already be huge.

That's where consensus or shared agreements comes to play:

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This shared agreement (called consensus) allows people like you to only accept valid bitcoins, enforcing Bitcoin's rules against even the most powerful miners.In addition to improving Bitcoin's decentralization, Bitcoin Core users get:

    Better security for their bitcoins
    Privacy features not available in other wallets
    User interfaces and other powerful features

https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/

So it doesn't mean they will have to do fork, they could all agree and improve Bitcoin against the threat of quantum computers.

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November 16, 2020, 06:13:35 AM
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Quantum computers have good recognization in the market, unfortunately they are not easy to grasp because they are completely governed different nodes.

People should understand it is not at all a thread to blockchain quantum technologies are expanding at a faster rate than previously expected, I believe their development team will come up with unique technology to avoid any scam.









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November 16, 2020, 07:11:47 AM
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Quantum computers are still not as close as you think, so don't think about it now.
In theory and in practice, such a threat still exists.  When it becomes reality, it will be too late for many to panic.  They will simply be at a loss to consider their empty wallets.  However, the first thing to be wary of is the big whales.  In this case, they will be the first to be targeted by attackers.  Let's hope that by that time they will find how to secure the cryptocurrency from this problem.

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November 16, 2020, 10:45:27 AM
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It's obvious that you don't know anything about quantum computers. These are not like the normal computers at to pay some money and by a quantum computers for yourself. Quantum computers requires a new technology and a lots of work to be created. In the other hand this will take a huge a mount of money. Considering the resources needs for a quantum computer, doesn't worth to create a quantum computer just for destroying bitcoin. Also, even if they create such thing whole baking system and encryption system will be on risk.

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