Why aren't AUTO-BANNED user's threads deleted (or at least locked)?

[sandy-is-fine]

Why aren't AUTO-BANNED user's threads deleted (or at least locked)?  All they do is have sock puppets come in and keep bumping them so AUTOBAN seems not to be very effective.  As long as the threads stay online they are still indexed by Google and then they do their business off-site on telegram or whatever else.  Locking them at least prevents them from being bumped by ALTs but (IMO) they should be deleted just like the user who has been banned.

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[mprep]

Reasons as to why I (and, I assume, other mods) don't wipe a user's topics when issuing permanent bans:

1) Loss of any constructive and useful content in thread OPs the banned user posted. People get permabanned for all kinds of things - them not being able to participate on the forum doesn't mean they haven't positively contributed to it in the past.
2) Loss of any posts contained within the threads the banned user started. These might be insightful discussions, heated arguments, evidence of potential fraud or commercial misconduct, constructive and informative opinions or guides.
3) Gives users a way to delete threads which have posts that cast them in a bad light (e.g. evidence of commercial misconduct, general history of a project that has exit scammed, etc.).

As with locking, just closing all of a user's threads might do more harm than good as well - sure, you stop someone from bumping a certain thread with their ban evading alts, but you also kill off any sort of discussion within each and every thread the user has made (and newbies with 1-3 threads aren't the only ones getting the perma-ban hammer). Instead of the nuclear option, IMO it's best to assess whether a thread should be closed on a case by case basis. If there's a substantial amount of solid evidence that someone is ban evading by bumping their thread with an alternate account, report it and a staff member will check the topic and lock it if they feel it warrants said action.

[sandy-is-fine]

Yea, makes sense and for the most part I agree, but I probably should have clarified my OP to narrow it down to the marketplace forums where other than scamming and spamming there usually isn't a lot to be lost when one of the  OP's get banned and their scam or spam threads remain.  I do understand they don't directly get banned for scamming.  

[Upgrade00]

OP's get banned and their scam or spam threads remain.  I do understand they don't directly get banned for scamming.  

Spam posts gets deleted without the user who started the thread being banned, if you come across one the mods may have missed; drop them a report to draw their attention to it.

Scams on the other hand are not moderated, this means mods cannot take any action to that effect. Deleting thread is an action and would require the forum to have a system in place to check and verify possible scams. The DT and trust flags are in place to check scams, some boards in the marketplace section also has newbie warnings to tell users they are in a high risk area.

[sandy-is-fine]

OP's get banned and their scam or spam threads remain.  I do understand they don't directly get banned for scamming.  

Spam posts gets deleted without the user who started the thread being banned, if you come across one the mods may have missed; drop them a report to draw their attention to it.

Scams on the other hand are not moderated, this means mods cannot take any action to that effect. Deleting thread is an action and would require the forum to have a system in place to check and verify possible scams. The DT and trust flags are in place to check scams, some boards in the marketplace section also has newbie warnings to tell users they are in a high risk area.

I am well aware of that when I wrote I do understand they don't directly get banned for scamming I did say I was aware of that however there are ways they DO get around that. Often a scammer has other banable violations in their threads.  Very often scammers/spammers have previously banned accounts which will get them banned for ban evasion. As a DT myself I make good use of the trust flags as you can tell by all the lovely retribution I am left.  

[logfiles]

I think leaving the posts of autobanned users is sometime helpful especially when it comes to connecting accounts or alts of the person evading ban. So sometimes those posts may contain keywords or addresses that could be the concrete evidence needed to confirm the alt accounts. Deleting all the posts of autobanned accounts means deleting all the evidence that may be useful for reference by different members in the future.

[Timelord2067]

Admin and mods are pulling at the "rules" in different ways, one admin/mod will nuke a user, the next will go "gee, IDK, they *might* have posted something ok once - ya know?"

Most Admin see their roll as a free kick for themselves but end up kicking own goals more often than not because they are "interpreting" vague to the point of oblique "rules" which most of them will claim are either guidelines, or not official, so it doesn't count to them.

That and most admin/mods see themselves as "unaccountable".  Be grateful *any* UID's get banned.  (and if they can't ban you, then they'll delete your posts ad-hock)

A banned users' trust feedback and default trust should also be removed, but isn't.  Funny that eh?

[hilariousetc]

This shouldn't be done automatically for the reasons mprep has already stated.

Yea, makes sense and for the most part I agree, but I probably should have clarified my OP to narrow it down to the marketplace forums where other than scamming and spamming there usually isn't a lot to be lost when one of the  OP's get banned and their scam or spam threads remain.  I do understand they don't directly get banned for scamming.  

Just report those threads and they will likely be locked. If a user is banned and they're using sock puppets to keep their business going it's usually pretty clear ban evasion as well. They'll likely just create a new thread do do business anyway but just keep reporting them.

A banned users' trust feedback and default trust should also be removed, but isn't.  Funny that eh?

If you were banned that means all your feedback should be wiped as well? On second thought this is actually a great idea  .

[shield132]

Wait wait, what if I have serious discussion and good tips around technical stuff but it happened like I scammed some people and become scammer. At least I left great content on bitcointalk and the fact that I scammed, mustn't be the cause to delete my threads. All quality content should be available for everyone on this forum.

In overall, it's not a problem if scammer has a thread where he/she offers scammy services. The problem is that people fall in it, this should be fixed and not that. Removing of their threads looks like adding a bandaid on scars while making people mentally ready for such cases = taking medicine to fix the problem.

We need a cure, not bandaid!

[sandy-is-fine]

We need a cure, not bandaid!

  To stop the bleeding you first need a band-aid then you can work on the cure so the bleeding doesn't occur again.

Also, (IMO of course) the Marketplace sections (particularly the Digital Goods and it's sub-forum) is a totally different animal than most of the rest of the forum regarding scammers and banned users.

[notblox1]

I have reversed question also: Why creators of auto-deleted threads are not auto-banned?
Report Malware and Suspicious Links here so Mods can take Action! thread is bombarded with EthereumPill malware spam, threads are deleted but members are not banned.

[Timelord2067]

A perfect example of what I just said:

If you were banned that means all your feedback should be wiped as well? On second thought this is actually a great idea  .

Time to repeat myself:

That and most admin/mods see themselves as "unaccountable".  

[Rizzrack]

Report Malware and Suspicious Links here so Mods can take Action! thread is bombarded with EthereumPill malware spam, threads are deleted but members are not banned.

They are banned. It might not appear in modlog but they are

[hilariousetc]

I have reversed question also: Why creators of auto-deleted threads are not auto-banned?
Report Malware and Suspicious Links here so Mods can take Action! thread is bombarded with EthereumPill malware spam, threads are deleted but members are not banned.

What do you mean by auto-deleted threads? 99% of people who post malware will almost certainly be banned and their threads removed. If a user isn't it's likely just an oversight.

A perfect example of what I just said:

If you were banned that means all your feedback should be wiped as well? On second thought this is actually a great idea  .

What exactly is it a perfect example of? Sarcasm maybe?

Time to repeat myself:

That and most admin/mods see themselves as "uncountable".  

Uncountable? They are unable to count or be counted? Do you mean unaccountable?

uncountable
/ʌnˈkaʊntəb(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: uncountable

    1.
    too many to be counted (usually in hyperbolic use).
    "she'd spent uncountable nights in this very bed"
    2.
    Grammar
    (of a noun) that cannot form a plural or be used with the indefinite article.
    "‘courage’ and ‘information’ are uncountable nouns"

unaccountable
/ʌnəˈkaʊntəb(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: unaccountable

    1.
    unable to be explained.
    "a strange and unaccountable fact"
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    Similar:
    inexplicable



  (of a person or their behaviour) unpredictable and strange.
    "he was not only the most charismatic man she'd ever met, but also the most complex and unaccountable"

2.
(of a person, organization, or institution) not required or expected to justify actions or decisions; not responsible for results or consequences.
"there are enormous risks in leaving such agencies uncontrolled and unaccountable"

Either way, you're wrong.

[Timelord2067]

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Whatever demons are whispering in your head about me, now is the time to let it go.

[Pmalek]

A banned users' trust feedback and default trust should also be removed, but isn't.  Funny that eh?

No, that shouldn't happen. Just because a user got banned, it doesn't mean the feedback he posted about other members is necessarily wrong and incorrect, and can't serve as a warning to other members. Even quality members have been banned or have made mistakes that have caused other users to be banned for similar incidents.

Take Lauda as an example. Some users found plagiarized posts in her history. Imagine if she got banned and had all those trust ratings she gave throughout the years deleted?! I don't see that as a good option. But I am in favor of deleting retaliatory feedback where users post nothing but nasty content like "likes to suck d**k and molests himself" and similar crap.       

[Timelord2067]

A banned users' trust feedback and default trust should also be removed, but isn't.  Funny that eh?

No, that shouldn't happen. Just because a user got banned, it doesn't mean the feedback he posted about other members is necessarily wrong and incorrect, and can't serve as a warning to other members. Even quality members have been banned or have made mistakes that have caused other users to be banned for similar incidents.

Take Lauda as an example. Some users found plagiarized posts in her history. Imagine if she got banned and had all those trust ratings she gave throughout the years deleted?! I don't see that as a good option. But I am in favor of deleting retaliatory feedback where users post nothing but nasty content like "likes to suck d**k and molests himself" and similar crap.      

Good points.

Almost my entire received trust feedback is of the type you describe:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131361;page=untrusted;offset=0

e.g.

Lauda

2020-04-08

Reference

Continues to troll and make things about him even in cases where users are really in need of assistance. Very malicious and crazy individual.

I'd be quite happy to see Lauda/LaudaM nuked after their plagiarism was exposed and bile such as the above were removed.


But let's look elsewhere:

logictense

2019-01-21

Reference

I'm not sure what is going on here guys. But this very weird cocksucker (whom I have never known and with whom I have never dealt - Im literally seeing him for the first time) blindly blatantly unquestionably accuses me for a random joke post I posted in a coin thread he supports. Sorry what?? See the reference link. I tried to establish a civil discussion with him but my attempts came a cropper as he blocked me and never responded to polite inquiries. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1272422.msg49311625#msg49311625 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1272422.msg49313788#msg49313788 Its been two days now since I first tried to reach out to him with regard to fake accusations pertaining to cryptopia hack. Im not entirely sure whats wrong with this stupid skunk but simple talking to him just does not work. I have tried multiple times to explain I was joking about the hack (which is anyway fucking absurd to think that I ever hacked cryptopia, then proceeded to talk about it on this message board WTF) but this little prying faggot thinks he is town sheriff of sorts or self-proclaimed cop with a surrealistic truncheon up his ass. I do not know. What I know is this totally random faggot is willing to RANDOMLY neg a bystander for posting something he is not comfortable with. See the ref link it says it all. Karma has your address, buddy. You are gonna get punched in the face for how you treat people. Dont bitch about your adverse childhood abuse when that happens.

Someone is on trial in NZ for hacking Cryptopia and stealing crypto - but they have name suppression - for the time being.


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2016-03-23

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I'm sure you get the idea...

[shield132]

We need a cure, not bandaid!

  To stop the bleeding you first need a band-aid then you can work on the cure so the bleeding doesn't occur again.

Also, (IMO of course) the Marketplace sections (particularly the Digital Goods and it's sub-forum) is a totally different animal than most of the rest of the forum regarding scammers and banned users.

I didn't actually mean blood and bandaid
We can't fix the problem that way and there isn't any need of additional headaches without results. Users should use their brain to decide whom to trust and whom - not. When you trust a random member on this forum with not much activity and trust, then who to blame? Scammer or you? I would say - YOU! You don't have to be a stupid, shake your head and use that brain. Ask yourself, who is this man? Why do I have to trust him? How can I be sure that I won't be scammed? Why do I have to believe in his words? What guarantees do I have that I'll succeed in this deal and won't get scammed? Why do he offers this kind of service? What benefit does he has from it?

For example, when user sells casino bot/script that is able to earn $200 a day guaranteed and asks you for $50 and you buy it, apologize but you are stupid and none restriction will help you.
That's just my opinion

[sandy-is-fine]

This shouldn't be done automatically for the reasons mprep has already stated.

Yea, makes sense and for the most part I agree, but I probably should have clarified my OP to narrow it down to the marketplace forums where other than scamming and spamming there usually isn't a lot to be lost when one of the  OP's get banned and their scam or spam threads remain.  I do understand they don't directly get banned for scamming.  

Just report those threads and they will likely be locked. If a user is banned and they're using sock puppets to keep their business going it's usually pretty clear ban evasion as well. They'll likely just create a new thread do do business anyway but just keep reporting them.

@hilariousetc

Here is an example.  The op of this thread (and about 9 other of his alts) are banned (thank you!   ).  He now is bumping the thread with a very obvious sock-puppet alt.  I mean, how obvious can he be!  LOL.     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5273238.msg55754718#msg55754718  (archive https://archive.vn/xsTAD).  Yes, it was reported but just posting an example.  

UPDATED & EDIT:  MODS deleted the sock-puppet alt bump post of the BANNED OP of the thread in question (orig archive here: archive https://archive.vn/xsTAD) but did not nuke the poster (alt of banned OP) and did not lock the thread which means the same clown will re-bump again.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

But I am in favor of deleting retaliatory feedback where users post nothing but nasty content like "likes to suck d**k and molests himself" and similar crap.       

I don't know if this is off-topic, but I agree with you there--but there's so much of that kind of trust feedback scattered across so many members' profiles that I don't see how deleting them could be done efficiently.  I've got plenty of idiotic retaliatory feedback on my trust profile and I've just learned to live with it, because there's nothing else I can do.

Here is an example.  The op of this thread (and about 9 other of his alts) are banned (thank you!  ).  He now is bumping the thread with a very obvious sock-puppet alt.  I mean, how obvious can he be!  LOL.     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5273238.msg55754718#msg55754718  (archive https://archive.vn/xsTAD).  Yes, it was reported but just posting an example. 

Yeah, that's just stupid.  It's unfortunate that there isn't a good way to keep banned members from creating new profiles.  We all know they do it, even hilarousandco and the other moderators.  Unless someone comes up with a way to stop that, all of this BS is going to keep happening, which it most certainly will, since I doubt Theymos gives a shit.