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November 18, 2020, 07:02:18 PM
Last edit: November 18, 2020, 08:44:18 PM by OmenRain
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What happened: Not Paid by betnomi.com

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2532772

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5279745.msg55624749#msg55624749
Amount Scammed: $1200 USD
Payment Method: CryptoCurrnecy
Proof of Payment: 0x7ec2eead4f927ac7d6a6afd418692f7737ceb872393cb1a08ca682531f3dca2e Partial Payment.  
PM/Chat Logs: Has threatened me with legal actions if I post anything of our chats directly
Additional Notes: I would advise not working with him whatsoever.



Update: https://ibb.co/y8MNt9y https://ibb.co/8shjM2y <------ This is what being setup to fail looks like


He has paid $200 with still and owing balance of $1000 usd

https://etherscan.io/tx/0x2945bfa8b4fd2d5a88afc80be023abf588201520510e7aacbec3f2726e3174d6








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November 18, 2020, 07:10:21 PM
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I can't say that I'm surprised. I've heard nothing good about this casino. I don't know much about the owner but I saw your comments on the Betnomi thread and it seems very similar to the M.O. of so many incompetent business owners. I hope, for your sake, that this post grabs the attention of some default trust members and BTCT super sleuths. Once they dive into an accusation, they will find out if you're sincere and will even be able to tell you if the accused wears women's underwear. Good luck.

Not for sale.........
Why, how much you got?
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November 18, 2020, 08:13:37 PM
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You didn't explain what happened in your case, not shown your bets, not explained why they need to pay you, and from screenshot you posted, it seems that you proposed him to pay and then you will update and change your post.
He also said that they will pay at the right time.

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November 18, 2020, 08:16:24 PM
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You didn't explain what happened in your case, not shown your bets, not explained why they need to pay you, and from screenshot you posted, it seems that you proposed him to pay and then you will update and change your post.
He also said that they will pay at the right time.


There is no bets I worked for the company
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November 18, 2020, 08:48:00 PM
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But In the chat I am not seeing where they promised or where there was a contractual agreement to pay you a specific amount ($1200). So how can we verify that the ETH already paid to you was either full or partial payment?

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November 18, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
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But In the chat I am not seeing where they promised or where there was a contractual agreement to pay you a specific amount ($1200). So how can we verify that the ETH already paid to you was either full or partial payment?


https://ibb.co/1vrgqx5


I started with this project back in September been paid 1k usd

https://ibb.co/s6y5WGD



And now I am being accused of blackmail: https://ibb.co/F6N0gZw



This is conversations of me asking for my pay from 10.10.20 and him telling me the same week that we are to sit down and I can keep finding where I asked him to follow through with sitting me down and discussing the course of the site. The discussion about where we were moving with the site NEVER happened so HOW CAN A PERSON EXPECT SOMEONE TO DO THEIR JOB IF THAT IS WHAT IS GOING ON???

https://ibb.co/pfsPJ49
https://ibb.co/7NqvJ1x


You can see the date of the message here https://ibb.co/5Kwshvc Of him telling me he is going to sit down with me WHICH NEVER happened. How can one expect someone to do their job when he keeps the person blind to what is going on?
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November 18, 2020, 09:10:27 PM
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Oh God, what a mess this is. So basically, they hired you to do some work for them and you settled for a price of $1000 a month. But now they claim that you did not do your job and you claim that they owe you a payment?

It is difficult to conclude who is right here. Can you tell us anything about the work you were hired for and what you have done for them so far?

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November 18, 2020, 09:18:16 PM
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Oh God, what a mess this is. So basically, they hired you to do some work for them and you settled for a price of $1000 a month. But now they claim that you did not do your job and you claim that they owe you a payment?

It is difficult to conclude who is right here. Can you tell us anything about the work you were hired for and what you have done for them so far?


He got me reaching out to do b2b. I don't want to say which companies per say but I think they may be included in the screenshots which I posted in this thread. But its hard to plan out working with another company when you are being told the UI is going to be changed multiple times, timelines are changing. I am about to go through all the 85k messages and highlight all the work stuff leaving anything not pertaining to work out so that people here can see what I am talking about.

Someone just messaged me on TG and I am going to just highlight what they said which I don't even know why I didn't even think about this myself.

https://ibb.co/mXjGLY9

Pretty straight forward with common sense. Surprised it went over my head.

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This is the response when I asked him to put me in touch with his lawyers


https://ibb.co/BgpRzYZ


https://ibb.co/z7x2z0y

I am so done with his shit you guys want to know about the person who runs betnomi I will find all the posts he had no problem telling me about how he was the best carder on darknet/clearnet etc So done with this game he is playing. He just uses people and tosses them aside I have his own words to prove it I exported all our conversation


Read this and tell me if you think he is legit -----------------> https://ibb.co/JHJHjGN <-----------------  ----------------->https://ibb.co/Jt6PdWW<---------------- Read those. Tell me that he isn't just scamming more people. Thought the guy turned a leaf because I don't have the best past but I made things what I could in the situations I was in. This is different though.



He legit thinks I am jealous of him. I would never be jealous of being a piece of shit. https://ibb.co/bdTvp5Z


https://www.linkedin.com/in/sorsischatwin

This is sorsis chatwin
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November 18, 2020, 11:08:06 PM
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Ive been working with betnomi for some months if not a year at this point  i am the human resource  manager. I  am responsible  for recruitment  and hired Matt(omenrain) directly  through  knowing him among multiple casinos as i was a consistent  player.Now work directly  under sorsis directly . To be clear betnomi as a crypto casino thats growing and under consistent  upgardes from the time ive joined up to now and i have seen various improvements, we have had staff memebers that weve paid in past and some that were let go due to inactivity  or non production  level work .

Things were very much moving in the right direction until latley this agrument of scam accusations  etc came up.Now apon my knowledge Matt (omenrain) as a position of general manager  asked for 4800-6000$ monthly payment at some point in the negotiations   which sorsis declined and offered him a 1000$ payment monthly. He was paid for the first month  of work after reviewing  of work etc now the second month in question various task were distributed  to all including  myself,some were not meet due to delays and or somthings not being in place as yet this is debatable  to an extent  towards how affected this would be towards overall task given. Ie spoken with both matt and sorsis personally on the matter of not being paid full for the second month matt feels apperantly cheated. Sorsis has told me He wasn't doing his job and
he told him "i can't continue to pay him if he doesnt do his work." starting last month. He apperantly hanged around and still didn't do his job according to sosris offical reply ive been trying my utmost best to manage the communication and work between both partys and check in on progress daily. Now as far as i can say and know He was paid for last month now apon this debate of this month sorsis feels  he did nothing and still demanding payments for work he did not do and additionally  given him 200 usd in eth a few hours ago. Iam still actively  following this situation as a 3rd party mediator.
               
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November 18, 2020, 11:13:07 PM
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Ive been working with betnomi for some months if not a year at this point  i am the human resource  manager. I  am responsible  for recruitment  and hired Matt(omenrain) directly  through  knowing him among multiple casinos as i was a consistent  player.Now work directly  under sorsis directly . To be clear betnomi as a crypto casino thats growing and under consistent  upgardes from the time ive joined up to now and i have seen various improvements, we have had staff memebers that weve paid in past and some that were let go due to inactivity  or non production  level work .

Things were very much moving in the right direction until latley this agrument of scam accusations  etc came up.Now apon my knowledge Matt (omenrain) as a position of general manager  asked for 4800-6000$ monthly payment at some point in the negotiations   which sorsis declined and offered him a 1000$ payment monthly. He was paid for the first month  of work after reviewing  of work etc now the second month in question various task were distributed  to all including  myself,some were not meet due to delays and or somthings not being in place as yet this is debatable  to an extent  towards how affected this would be towards overall task given. Ie spoken with both matt and sorsis personally on the matter of not being paid full for the second month matt feels apperantly cheated. Sorsis has told me He wasn't doing his job and
he told him "i can't continue to pay him if he doesnt do his work." starting last month. He apperantly hanged around and still didn't do his job according to sosris offical reply ive been trying my utmost best to manage the communication and work between both partys and check in on progress daily. Now as far as i can say and know He was paid for last month now apon this debate of this month sorsis feels  he did nothing and still demanding payments for work he did not do and additionally  given him 200 usd in eth a few hours ago. Iam still actively  following this situation as a 3rd party mediator.
              
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The $200 usd ETH was back pay for my first month's payment which he did not pay in full

Also I provided screenshots of him explaining to me that he was going to sit down with me to show me the course the company was going and that was weeks ago which never came to fruition. How can you expect someone to do a job when they don'[t even know what is going on at it?

And I will totally agree with what Wolfbain has said he has been 3rd party trying to get an understanding from both sides. As he works a full time job plus this his time is pulled between both.
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So to put a bit of order into the matter....

-We have an employed that was fired for allegedly not doing his job, and is now mad at the company for this same reason.

-Another employee that is acting as a mediator

-Sorsis and his invaluable communication skills.

OmenRain; did you sign any kind of real contract? If you didn't the actual "legal action part" is just a complete waste of time on both ends.

Wolfbain; try to get both stories together, because things keep changing with every message and it's a complete mess to try to understand what has really happened here.

Sorsis/betnomi; can you confirm that both these people are who they really claim to be? Just to cover all bases.

Once that is covered, we can try to start figuring this out, but try to present all at once, not in multiple posts...

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This person was introduced by a friend @WolfBain who I have been working with for many months now.
At the time, we needed someone to do B2B outreach on our behalf.
After a brief discussion about his experience etc, it was clear this person is unqualified for this position,
and sadly, he asked for a 4800-6000$ salary for a position he is not remotely qualified to be in. (Should have seen the greed)

Considering the fact he was introduced by a friend and living off unemployment and the struggles of getting employment due to the pandemic,
I decided to get him in the position anyway as we are a small and a new company. It has always been my instinct to give people a chance.
Everybody has to start somewhere. Offred him a 1000$ salary for a start.

Fast forward, he joined the team and after a couple of weeks, nothing is being done as far as his responsibilities are concerned.
Always hanging around in our private telegram group to chat with other people about completely irrelevant things.
Ie, picking up fights with people from other casinos (Calling every casino a scam) and other unproductive things.
On multiple occasions, I personally made him aware, he is not achieving or providing any value to the company.
Obviously, he wasn't hired to just hang around and get paid.

Accusing some casino of being a scam
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247419.msg55085832#msg55085832


calling stake.com a scam




Asked for anything he did for the company in any form.




After a few more weeks, I made clear to him, I have no reason to continue to pay him on a monthly basis (4th of this month)
where he has been completely unproductive. I will go a step further and say counterproductive.
Often asked him to tell me one thing he did that help or add value to the company in any way or form. Still to this day, there is not one thing.




In light of all these, we made the decision to part ways with him yesterday.
Immediately after this action was taken against him, He started creating a series of Scam accusations and posting private conversations.
He claimed we didn't pay him and that is factually not true. He was paid 1000$ for a job he didn't do.


The second part of this accusation: The claim was, we hired stuff and are not paying them.
Again, not true. I received a message from him weeks ago, indicating someone who works for some other
Casino got fired from their job because they were hanging out in our telegram group.
(The people he always hangs out with, without doing what he was hired for).

On hearing this news, as a sympathetic person, I offered to hire this individual without knowing him or whatsoever just so,
he can get an income and support his family. Soon after, this individual was directly and personally paid by me.
Even without doing any work or being employed by us. The idea was to make him a moderator when we add a chat system on our website.


Knowing he has no claim, he maliciously used this individual as a front to add credibility to his accusations.
I reached out to the said individual and here is his confirmation he was paid and not yet working for us. (at least yet)





In my opinion, this is an individual who feels entitled and thinks, he can just hang around and make a living doing that.
When things didn't go his way, he snapped and wanted to throw some mud.

We are a business and not a charity. You have been hired to provide a service and add value to the business.
If you are not doing your work, don't be surprised when you get fired.


It's very unfortunate and unprofessional the way and manner this unfolded.
This is a new company and still working on getting a proper structure and team in place.
From time to time, there will be people who will always want to take advantage of such situations.
Every now and then, there may be these kinds of issues. We do apologize in advance.
Sincerely, we ask the community to bear with us while we work very hard on improving our organization and service.


Regards,

Sorsis.

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November 19, 2020, 12:44:31 AM
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This person was introduced by a friend @WolfBain who I have been working with for many months now.
At the time, we needed someone to do B2B outreach on our behalf.
After a brief discussion about his experience etc, it was clear this person is unqualified for this position,
and sadly, he asked for a 4800-6000$ salary for a position he is not remotely qualified to be in. (Should have seen the greed)

Considering the fact he was introduced by a friend and living off unemployment and the struggles of getting employment due to the pandemic,
I decided to get him in the position anyway as we are a small and a new company. It has always been my instinct to give people a chance.
Everybody has to start somewhere. Offred him a 1000$ salary for a start.

Fast forward, he joined the team and after a couple of weeks, nothing is being done as far as his responsibilities are concerned.
Always hanging around in our private telegram group to chat with other people about completely irrelevant things.
Ie, picking up fights with people from other casinos (Calling every casino a scam) and other unproductive things.
On multiple occasions, I personally made him aware, he is not achieving or providing any value to the company.
Obviously, he wasn't hired to just hang around and get paid.

Accusing some casino of being a scam
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247419.msg55085832#msg55085832


calling stake.com a scam




Asked for anything he did for the company in any form.




After a few more weeks, I made clear to him, I have no reason to continue to pay him on a monthly basis (4th of this month)
where he has been completely unproductive. I will go a step further and say counterproductive.
Often asked him to tell me one thing he did that help or add value to the company in any way or form. Still to this day, there is not one thing.




In light of all these, we made the decision to part ways with him yesterday.
Immediately after this action was taken against him, He started creating a series of Scam accusations and posting private conversations.
He claimed we didn't pay him and that is factually not true. He was paid 1000$ for a job he didn't do.


The second part of this accusation: The claim was, we hired stuff and are not paying them.
Again, not true. I received a message from him weeks ago, indicating someone who works for some other
Casino got fired from their job because they were hanging out in our telegram group.
(The people he always hangs out with, without doing what he was hired for).

On hearing this news, as a sympathetic person, I offered to hire this individual without knowing him or whatsoever just so,
he can get an income and support his family. Soon after, this individual was directly and personally paid by me.
Even without doing any work or being employed by us. The idea was to make him a moderator when we add a chat system on our website.


Knowing he has no claim, he maliciously used this individual as a front to add credibility to his accusations.
I reached out to the said individual and here is his confirmation he was paid and not yet working for us. (at least yet)





In my opinion, this is an individual who feels entitled and thinks, he can just hang around and make a living doing that.
When things didn't go his way, he snapped and wanted to throw some mud.

We are a business and not a charity. You have been hired to provide a service and add value to the business.
If you are not doing your work, don't be surprised when you get fired.


It's very unfortunate and unprofessional the way and manner this unfolded.
This is a new company and still working on getting a proper structure and team in place.
From time to time, there will be people who will always want to take advantage of such situations.
Every now and then, there may be these kinds of issues. We do apologize in advance.
Sincerely, we ask the community to bear with us while we work very hard on improving our organization and service.


Regards,

Sorsis.

If you look into Wixi the site tried to auction off and failed DUE TO ALL THE ACCUSATIONS if you look into your information before you try to actually say anything you should research yourself.

And we came to an agreement of 1k a month to balance out with CRB that I could get. Which would balance out the pay. Why not include all the information properly? Because you leave out the important details and are only trying to make yourself look good in the light of politics in the forums.

Why have you not even addressed the pictures I posted from conversations FROM WEEKS AGO which you stated we would sit down so you could discuss the direction of the company with me which you never did and yet you want me to know and move forward like 3 blind mice?

This is from September 23rd where he stated everyone would be getting a weekly pay. So think this has been a constant issue since then.

https://ibb.co/gJ54fS2

This is him telling me what to hire the staff member for

https://ibb.co/9NBXz5K

Now remember everyone is supposed to be getting paid at this point just shy of 2 months ago.

You expect people to do work Sorsis, if you want I will post every time you changed your mind and or did not follow through with what updates/upgrades you have promised which you got me to share which never came about.

Please explain the logic behind promising people staff and clients a like of changes coming which never have?

After thinking about all your carding you have done it really makes me second guess the KYC information you are asking for from clients now that I am sitting here thinking about all the red flags I didn't notice at first.


If anyone wants to do some of their own research go look at their official TG channel. It will show you the amount of times I passed information off to clients telling them that which I was told to which NEVER HAPPENED. There are still people waiting for things which you promised weeks and months ago.

How can you sit there and talk like you did the right thing when in the end you told me one thing and did another?

ALSO THERE IS NO SEC.gov registration for betnomi.com and or Sorsis Chatwin as he states in this message so who really is the one lying?

https://ibb.co/NYJ71vk


https://validator.curacao-egaming.com/validate?domain=stake.com&seal_id=98adc75a23c9973ef0008c6f5600263b3cc7c21b4e4dc96359fc8c826e36dc77ecae70edcc5c17b38f42fb72906b46c3&stamp=67ae64dfdbd277dc0dff75e98ea46919

Check out stakes license is under investigation. So please where is your valid argument now?
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November 19, 2020, 12:54:47 AM
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So to put a bit of order into the matter....

-We have an employed that was fired for allegedly not doing his job, and is now mad at the company for this same reason.

-Another employee that is acting as a mediator

-Sorsis and his invaluable communication skills.

OmenRain; did you sign any kind of real contract? If you didn't the actual "legal action part" is just a complete waste of time on both ends.

Wolfbain; try to get both stories together, because things keep changing with every message and it's a complete mess to try to understand what has really happened here.

Sorsis/betnomi; can you confirm that both these people are who they really claim to be? Just to cover all bases.

Once that is covered, we can try to start figuring this out, but try to present all at once, not in multiple posts...
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Wait a damn second!  So, are the screenshots of the conversation published by OmenRain authentic? I haven't read that you dispute them anywhere.

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Wait a damn second!  So, are the screenshots of the conversation published by OmenRain authentic? I haven't read that you dispute them anywhere.



I can video record the conversation which is on TG and I also have all said conversations downloaded. Like I said I have a colorful past but changed my life got full custody of my daughter. I made stupid choices, so I don't judge people, I thought people can change as I have. Well by his own words he has blatantly lied. You are THE ONLY PERSON so far to even catch that and or say something about it.
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@Betnomi
You do spend a lot of time composing messages on the forum. It would be more convenient if you could spend that time solving problems with those people.
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November 20, 2020, 12:06:31 AM
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I guess your problem had been settled in betnomi ANN thread as I read recently, secondly, you must simply understand that Betnomi is a new gambling company planning to get structure and good staff ahead.

ALSO THERE IS NO SEC.gov registration for betnomi.com and or Sorsis Chatwin as he states in this message so who really is the one lying?
You are out of lane Buddy, this wasn't actually the purpose of your accusation, focus on your left over payment, that's how things are been done.
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I guess your problem had been settled in betnomi ANN thread as I read recently, secondly, you must simply understand that Betnomi is a new gambling company planning to get structure and good staff ahead.

ALSO THERE IS NO SEC.gov registration for betnomi.com and or Sorsis Chatwin as he states in this message so who really is the one lying?
You are out of lane Buddy, this wasn't actually the purpose of your accusation, focus on your left over payment, that's how things are been done.


How does myself showing that the person who is saying that I am not owed anything is lying not show the validity of what I am saying compared to him?
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