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March 24, 2014, 06:35:57 PM |
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I'm genuinely interested - are there such people in the mainstream entertainment industry nowadays?
Because it looks to me, that everyone in hollywood and etc now cater to lgbt and multiculturalism agenda. It's almost like you have to go through some cock sucking rite of passage if you want to become a succesful artist. Every musician now has a song or some special approach to gay consumers. If you look at random movie star wikipedia page, it will in 50% cases say "an lgbt rights supporter".
Imagine if, say, Jake Gyllenhal says that he loathes blacks or hates fags and this gets to media. Boom - your career is over. He will have to publicly suck a black dick holding his right hand on the bible and saying he is truly sorry, with his mouth full. And I do not believe that every celebrity out there is warm and fuzzy towards gays and other races, it's just they are forced into being hypocrites.
I can think of only one example, Mel Gibson calling some jew cop a jew. And look where it got him. With people boycotting his movies, even if they do not relate to jews in any way.
So. Are there any brave ones amongst celebrities, which are not afraid of speaking their mind?
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March 24, 2014, 06:40:49 PM |
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You've resumed everything, celebrities will get thunders if they do anything wrong, because everything is media inflated around them since they "celebreties" and supposed for some to be role models, so celebrities will not speak their minds
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March 24, 2014, 06:50:16 PM |
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Politicians are racists and homophobic all the time, yet people still vote for them, I'd say they still have careers for sure considering they somehow manage to keep getting re-elected.
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March 24, 2014, 06:58:12 PM |
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I'm genuinely interested - are there such people in the mainstream entertainment industry nowadays?
Because it looks to me, that everyone in hollywood and etc now cater to lgbt and multiculturalism agenda.
What agenda do they have and why do you seem to have a problem with it?
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March 24, 2014, 07:12:43 PM |
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This is a silly topic in some ways. Mel gibson did more then just call a cop a jew and that is why people boycotted his work but I don't care what he said it's his right and there right to boycott.
The real issue is a few people have to much power and control Hollywood and that is why celebs don't get work if they don't do as told and bend over and submit.
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March 24, 2014, 07:51:09 PM |
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Politicians are racists and homophobic all the time, yet people still vote for them, I'd say they still have careers for sure considering they somehow manage to keep getting re-elected.
When it comes to politics it is another story, some are racist homophobic, islamophobic ... because they are targeting an audience that share these same believes and moeurs
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PrintMule (OP)
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March 24, 2014, 07:52:26 PM |
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Politicians are racists and homophobic all the time, yet people still vote for them, I'd say they still have careers for sure considering they somehow manage to keep getting re-elected.
That's a bit different with politicians. Although I believe they are same hypocrites who cater to whichever group they can, even if they do not believe it themselves. Imagine a white Texas republican giving out racial hate speeches, and then going home to his mexican wife. It's strange how you can defend "family values, christian way of life, etc etc" to get voters in real life, but you cannot do that in movie or art industry. That's why everyone in the media is a democrat nowadays. I'm genuinely interested - are there such people in the mainstream entertainment industry nowadays?
Because it looks to me, that everyone in hollywood and etc now cater to lgbt and multiculturalism agenda.
What agenda do they have and why do you seem to have a problem with it? On the multiculturalism issue: That it's ok to accept immigrants, and THEIR CULTURE. And it should BE FORCED to happen. Like a issuing an official ratio of white male percent ratio for government workplaces. I do not have a problem with this stuff, because in my country there's almost no immigrants, and such policies, and etc. But if we take, for example, Norway - it's a huge problem there. Due to HEAVY lobbying, or some other factors - country is flooding with immigrants, and they are strangely welcomed. There are tons of books about combining local cultures with these foreign ones. All sorts off initiatives. Movies coming out, where main heroine is wearing a hijab. Special classes in schools. Building of mosques. Children books and cartoons, having at least 2 black kids as characters. I think this will bite them in the ass in the long run, they will die out as a nation, and will be replaced as a culture. Similar stuff with lgbt movements - heavy lobbiyng. Children media flooding with this shit, even at the ages where sexuality is not yet a factor. Books about crossdressing boy? For kids of age 7? Wtf? I could go on and on, with my personal opinions, but this is derailing from this "hollywood media / pop culture topic theme" This is a silly topic in some ways. Mel gibson did more then just call a cop a jew and that is why people boycotted his work but I don't care what he said it's his right and there right to boycott.
The real issue is a few people have to much power and control Hollywood and that is why celebs don't get work if they don't do as told and bend over and submit.
But why it's such a monopoly? If you have a loads of cash, you can make whichever movie you want with any actor you want? Because no one will advertise it, if they dislike it? I would love to see some anti-israel movie for example, not because I'm a jew hating s.o.b. , but just for a different perspective. Or a movie which frowns on gays. Although no one will go to see it in American theaters, because it's considered unacceptable. I's awkward how once harsh and manly USA became so changed so fast.
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March 24, 2014, 07:59:48 PM |
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I think your on to something in regards to the film not getting proper advertisement time. And you can expect some political group to boycott your film and they will get plenty of airtime. It could work if people know how the system works well enough the could use the negative attention as a form of advertising to open minded intellectuals.
I don't no anybody who has that kind of money and know how who is going to force the issue but I'd support them if they did best I could.
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March 24, 2014, 08:02:10 PM |
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What agenda do they have and why do you seem to have a problem with it?
On the multiculturalism issue: That it's ok to accept immigrants, and THEIR CULTURE. And it should BE FORCED to happen. Like a issuing an official ratio of white male percent ratio for government workplaces. I do not have a problem with this stuff, because in my country there's almost no immigrants, and such policies, and etc. But if we take, for example, Norway - it's a huge problem there. Due to HEAVY lobbying, or some other factors - country is flooding with immigrants, and they are strangely welcomed. There are tons of books about combining local cultures with these foreign ones. All sorts off initiatives. Movies coming out, where main heroine is wearing a hijab. Special classes in schools. Building of mosques. Children books and cartoons, having at least 2 black kids as characters. I think this will bite them in the ass in the long run, they will die out as a nation, and will be replaced as a culture. Similar stuff with lgbt movements - heavy lobbiyng. Children media flooding with this shit, even at the ages where sexuality is not yet a factor. Books about crossdressing boy? For kids of age 7? Wtf? I could go on and on, with my personal opinions, but this is derailing from this "hollywood media / pop culture topic theme" Wow, you sound pretty intolerant and ignorant. So you're essentially just racist and homophobic and don't like these people?
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March 24, 2014, 08:08:35 PM |
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What agenda do they have and why do you seem to have a problem with it?
On the multiculturalism issue: That it's ok to accept immigrants, and THEIR CULTURE. And it should BE FORCED to happen. Like a issuing an official ratio of white male percent ratio for government workplaces. I do not have a problem with this stuff, because in my country there's almost no immigrants, and such policies, and etc. But if we take, for example, Norway - it's a huge problem there. Due to HEAVY lobbying, or some other factors - country is flooding with immigrants, and they are strangely welcomed. There are tons of books about combining local cultures with these foreign ones. All sorts off initiatives. Movies coming out, where main heroine is wearing a hijab. Special classes in schools. Building of mosques. Children books and cartoons, having at least 2 black kids as characters. I think this will bite them in the ass in the long run, they will die out as a nation, and will be replaced as a culture. Similar stuff with lgbt movements - heavy lobbiyng. Children media flooding with this shit, even at the ages where sexuality is not yet a factor. Books about crossdressing boy? For kids of age 7? Wtf? I could go on and on, with my personal opinions, but this is derailing from this "hollywood media / pop culture topic theme" Wow, you sound pretty intolerant and ignorant. So you're essentially just racist and homophobic and don't like these people? You validate my point, too bad I'm not a celebrity. I voice my opinion, and immediately get labeled as a bad guy. Why it's even wrong to be racist or homophobic? Why should I be forced to "love" everyone. I do not dislike people of other races or cultures, per se. But, for example, I would prefer to avoid Islamification of my country. If it works for them - I'm happy, but it does not work for me. Anyway, can you help me find some "intolerant and ignorant" celebrity other than Gibson?
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March 24, 2014, 08:12:55 PM |
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Not many of them at least..
Homophobic perhaps but they probably keep it down as the media is always takes the gay and anti-racist side which would make them look bad in public and they know it, they won't just rush out without thinking trough their actions especially about such sensitive subjects..
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March 24, 2014, 08:27:17 PM |
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What agenda do they have and why do you seem to have a problem with it?
On the multiculturalism issue: That it's ok to accept immigrants, and THEIR CULTURE. And it should BE FORCED to happen. Like a issuing an official ratio of white male percent ratio for government workplaces. I do not have a problem with this stuff, because in my country there's almost no immigrants, and such policies, and etc. But if we take, for example, Norway - it's a huge problem there. Due to HEAVY lobbying, or some other factors - country is flooding with immigrants, and they are strangely welcomed. There are tons of books about combining local cultures with these foreign ones. All sorts off initiatives. Movies coming out, where main heroine is wearing a hijab. Special classes in schools. Building of mosques. Children books and cartoons, having at least 2 black kids as characters. I think this will bite them in the ass in the long run, they will die out as a nation, and will be replaced as a culture. Similar stuff with lgbt movements - heavy lobbiyng. Children media flooding with this shit, even at the ages where sexuality is not yet a factor. Books about crossdressing boy? For kids of age 7? Wtf? I could go on and on, with my personal opinions, but this is derailing from this "hollywood media / pop culture topic theme" Wow, you sound pretty intolerant and ignorant. So you're essentially just racist and homophobic and don't like these people? You validate my point, too bad I'm not a celebrity. I voice my opinion, and immediately get labeled as a bad guy. Why it's even wrong to be racist or homophobic? Why should I be forced to "love" everyone. I do not dislike people of other races or cultures, per se. But, for example, I would prefer to avoid Islamification of my country. If it works for them - I'm happy, but it does not work for me. "Why it's even wrong to be racist or homophobic?" Quite clearly you're a moron if you have to ask that. And you don't have to 'love' everyone, but a base amount of respect and tolerance is usually required from decent, intelligent people, but clearly you are not one of those. And igots and homophobes should be labled as 'bad guys'. Can you also tell me how your country is being 'Islamificated'?
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March 24, 2014, 08:46:30 PM |
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Op, don't believe the propoganda. Muslims and gays arent trying to recruit you or ruin your country.
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March 24, 2014, 08:59:55 PM |
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"Why it's even wrong to be racist or homophobic?" Quite clearly you're a moron if you have to ask that. And you don't have to 'love' everyone, but a base amount of respect and tolerance is usually required from decent, intelligent people, but clearly you are not one of those. And igots and homophobes should be labled as 'bad guys'. Can you also tell me how your country is being 'Islamificated'?
Could you at least be bothered enough to read before starting arguing, and even insulting. I wrote that my country is NOT being "islamificated". I have a BASE AMOUNT of respect and TOLERANCE. Problem is - they require MORE and MORE each day. And you are an another problem, problem that we cannot have intelligent discussions on this subject, because there's always someone who jumps in and screams ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Foriginal%2F000%2F002%2F135%2Fsw50sw8sw578.gif&t=665&c=jva-Of9AJAxopg) This becomes even more dull in modern social media, where every uneducated teenager is allowed to say his mind. TLDR: Ignored
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March 24, 2014, 09:04:36 PM |
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"Why it's even wrong to be racist or homophobic?" Quite clearly you're a moron if you have to ask that. And you don't have to 'love' everyone, but a base amount of respect and tolerance is usually required from decent, intelligent people, but clearly you are not one of those. And igots and homophobes should be labled as 'bad guys'. Can you also tell me how your country is being 'Islamificated'?
Could you at least be bothered enough to read before starting arguing, and even insulting. I wrote that my country is NOT being "islamificated". I have a BASE AMOUNT of respect and TOLERANCE. Problem is - they require MORE and MORE each day. And you are an another problem, problem that we cannot have intelligent discussions on this subject, because there's always someone who jumps in and screams ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Foriginal%2F000%2F002%2F135%2Fsw50sw8sw578.gif&t=665&c=jva-Of9AJAxopg) This becomes even more dull in modern social media, where every uneducated teenager is allowed to say his mind. TLDR: Ignored the solution is to educate them but they won't read, they don't like books solution: make super awesome 3D movies about educational shizzle
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March 24, 2014, 09:08:35 PM |
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Op, don't believe the propoganda. Muslims and gays arent trying to recruit you or ruin your country.
They don't need to recruit me, or ruin my country. They are amassing themselves, with or without me, becoming a majority. And instead of ruining my country they are trying to convert it into their country (which will ruin it for me ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) ) Imagine living in a apartment building where smoking is not allowed. Many neighbors have asthma, allergies, or simply would like their kids to avoid smoke. And then there's a new neighbor who is somehow allowed to smoke. And he does so regularily. Weed, thick cuban sigars, 24/7, all of his friends do, in front of the house, smokes comes from their windows etc. Then another apartment is taken by a similar guy. Then smoking is viewed in a good light in media, and society. Stylish movie star is looking at you with a cigarette in their mouth. And it's a human right to smoke or not, nothing you can do about it. Movie stars and tobacco advertisement in hollywood is another thing (of the past hopefully).
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March 24, 2014, 09:21:41 PM |
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"Why it's even wrong to be racist or homophobic?" Quite clearly you're a moron if you have to ask that. And you don't have to 'love' everyone, but a base amount of respect and tolerance is usually required from decent, intelligent people, but clearly you are not one of those. And igots and homophobes should be labled as 'bad guys'. Can you also tell me how your country is being 'Islamificated'?
Could you at least be bothered enough to read before starting arguing, and even insulting. I wrote that my country is NOT being "islamificated". I have a BASE AMOUNT of respect and TOLERANCE. Problem is - they require MORE and MORE each day. And you are an another problem, problem that we cannot have intelligent discussions on this subject, because there's always someone who jumps in and screams This becomes even more dull in modern social media, where every uneducated teenager is allowed to say his mind.TLDR: Ignored Let's have an intelligent discussion then, because you most certainly haven't made any intelligent points. How much tolerance should they have? Just a little bit? Just enough to not become a 'problem' or bother you? I think most minorities just want to be treated the same as everyone else, but you seem to have a problem with this. This is exactly how racists and bigots act and then (ironically) cry like they're being persecuted when somebody calls them out. Can you tell me how other countries are being 'islamificated' then? Building a few mosques doesn’t really cut it, but it does seem to if you're a bigot. Why don't you also tell me how you're not a racist/islamaphobe/homophobe and make a valid argument instead of just saying intolerant crap and baiting people into calling you a racist then throwing your toys out of the pram when they do. Your argument is like saying it's ok to fuck 12-year-olds then crying when somebody calls you a paedophile and tells you it's not ok for a normal, decent person to act like this. And your last line applies to you more than anyone else here.
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March 24, 2014, 09:22:17 PM |
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You mean the kind of people like Mel Gibson? Any celebrity willing to "speak their mind" in terms of making homophobic/racist remarks is just an idiot. If you have those views, fine. But Hollywood isn't a very forgiving place for political incorrectness.
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March 24, 2014, 09:26:32 PM |
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Op, don't believe the propoganda. Muslims and gays arent trying to recruit you or ruin your country.
They don't need to recruit me, or ruin my country. They are amassing themselves, with or without me, becoming a majority. And instead of ruining my country they are trying to convert it into their country (which will ruin it for me ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) ) Imagine living in a apartment building where smoking is not allowed. Many neighbors have asthma, allergies, or simply would like their kids to avoid smoke. And then there's a new neighbor who is somehow allowed to smoke. And he does so regularily. Weed, thick cuban sigars, 24/7, all of his friends do, in front of the house, smokes comes from their windows etc. Then another apartment is taken by a similar guy. Then smoking is viewed in a good light in media, and society. Stylish movie star is looking at you with a cigarette in their mouth. And it's a human right to smoke or not, nothing you can do about it. Movie stars and tobacco advertisement in hollywood is another thing (of the past hopefully). Amassing themselves in what way? Like I said before you're just buying into propoganda. Muslims really aren't trying to amass themselves and take over or convert your country. Christians probably already did that. Is that ok to you? And I don't really get your bizare apartment smoking analogy.
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March 24, 2014, 09:33:09 PM |
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You mean the kind of people like Mel Gibson? Any celebrity willing to "speak their mind" in terms of making homophobic/racist remarks is just an idiot. If you have those views, fine. But Hollywood isn't a very forgiving place for political incorrectness.
media logic tolerance to everyone except for homophobes and racist people
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