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November 19, 2020, 06:18:29 PM
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Membership in my new bitcoin project requires basic competency, such as signing an address.

One of my strategies for combating multiple accounts will be verifying active bitcoin addresses - not throw away addresses.

I feel the following requirement is fair for a primary address to be staked in the club: 
Have at least one transaction within the last 90 days, and one transaction older than 90 days.
(Staked assets are controlled privacy assets)

Would you meet this requirement?


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November 19, 2020, 06:47:40 PM
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One of my strategies for combating multiple accounts will be verifying active bitcoin addresses - not throw away addresses.
Ideally, all Bitcoin addresses would be throw away addresses.

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Have at least one transaction within the last 90 days, and one transaction older than 90 days.
Address reuse reduces privacy. Add the fact that I have several addresses that would qualify, and it won't accomplish what you're looking for.

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November 19, 2020, 11:26:29 PM
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Yeah, I'd meet that requirement, but you're not talking about addresses staked on the forum are you?  It sounds like you're asking whether someone could sign a message from any address with one transaction within 90 days and one after 90 days. 

What project are you working on here as far as "combating multiple accounts"?  It's possible I'm missing something obvious.  I've had one hell of a stressful day.

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November 19, 2020, 11:42:45 PM
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Ideally, all Bitcoin addresses would be throw away addresses.

That would depend on what you use Bitcoin for.

Yeah, I'd meet that requirement, but you're not talking about addresses staked on the forum are you?

No - the only relationship my club will have with this forum is recognizing contributions made here.

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Would you meet this requirement?


Just voted a "Yes" since I own an address or two that I use regularly for transactions (I love my privacy but too many addy are kinda hard to keep track of.)


I feel the following requirement is fair for a primary address to be staked in the club: 
Have at least one transaction within the last 90 days, and one transaction older than 90 days.
(Staked assets are controlled privacy assets)

In my opinion, Its a fair requirement. An alternative would be to charge money (like bitcointalk does for evil IPs) or require people provide some kind of personal information, like real name/phone/address that you verify aka KYC but that's invasive (then again maybe you only want serious users who are willing to provide this sort of info). But consider increasing the limits if most users complains about it.
The project is https://clubcrypto.live, and I really need a web designer. 

That's right. The major issue is that some elements are overflowing the page causing a horizontal scroll but not that hard to fix then some eye-catching colors and design and your project should be ready for lift up.  Smiley

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November 20, 2020, 01:20:35 PM
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One of my strategies for combating multiple accounts will be verifying active bitcoin addresses - not throw away addresses.

I feel the following requirement is fair for a primary address to be staked in the club: 
Have at least one transaction within the last 90 days, and one transaction older than 90 days.
IMHO, there's still some room for increasing the number of transactions for each of those periods...
- As it stands, it's a bit too easy to achieve those requirements; therefore it defeats its purpose [to an extent] when it comes to combating users with multi-accounts.

Would you meet this requirement?
Yes, I would.

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November 20, 2020, 01:33:09 PM
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I get LoyceV's point, and agree with him aswell... Ideally, addresses shouldn't have to be reused.

Maybe you could ask for 2 signed messages? One with an address that was funded > 90 days/ago and one with an address that was funded < 90 days/ago.

That being said, i have an address that gets funded by chipmixer for my signature campaign involvement, so i would be able to meet the requirement (given you'd be able to verify signatures generated with my native segwit wallet).

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At first it will succeed but then, for example after 100 days from today, users will be able to abuse it very easily. For example, I'll generate new bitcoin addresses, lot of them, do transactions from different addresses to these addresses and will make it look like there is no link between them. And whuola, your knocked out in this "combat".
One way to stop multiple accounts will be if you ask users for bitcointalk accounts and merit requirements. Merit because it's easy to create account but it's hard to own two and more accounts and get merits regularly.
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No matter the time frame, it can be abused. Currently you have a 180 day time frame, which is required on the address, but anyone that wants to get into your club, would realistically be able to forge this within that 180 day time period, or slightly over. If you are looking to reduce multiple users, this probably isn't going to do it effectively. Signing addresses, and having frequently used addresses isn't something that's going to help, unless you consider increasing the timeframe, to something of years, rather than days. Even then, most multiple accounts will likely be using different addresses for each account to avoid detection, if that's what they are looking to do.

Not even that, users will likely have multiple addresses over the years which they haven't tied to anything, and might start using these addresses for this purpose.

Honestly, I think you could probably put as much measures in as possible to reduce it, but it will only ever be harmful to the adoption of your club, whatever it may be. Restrictive requirements, will just annoy those that are legitimate, while only affecting a small minority of those that want to use multiple accounts in your club.

One of my strategies for combating multiple accounts will be verifying active bitcoin addresses - not throw away addresses.
Ideally, all Bitcoin addresses would be throw away addresses.

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Have at least one transaction within the last 90 days, and one transaction older than 90 days.
Address reuse reduces privacy. Add the fact that I have several addresses that would qualify, and it won't accomplish what you're looking for.
Ideally, from my point that would be the case, but not everyone cares about privacy. I also think its quite rare for users to abide by this even if they do care about privacy.
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I feel the following requirement is fair for a primary address to be staked in the club:  
Have at least one transaction within the last 90 days, and one transaction older than 90 days.

No matter the time frame, it can be abused.

I agree that i can be abused, specially if there is no minimum value and if there is any benefit by joining the club.
Adding a minimum value could mitigate the abuses.

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Address reuse reduces privacy. Add the fact that I have several addresses that would qualify, and it won't accomplish what you're looking for.
Ideally, from my point that would be the case, but not everyone cares about privacy. I also think its quite rare for users to abide by this even if they do care about privacy.

Using an already compromised address, such as those from signature campaigns, wouldn't hurt a lot your privacy imo (depending in the perspective).
For example, everyone knows my public address from my campaign. I could use that same address to join the club as "bitmover" username as well. As that address is already linked to my username here anyway.

The project is https://clubcrypto.live, and I really need a web designer.

I didn't understand the club very well. There is too many information in the website.
is it a club looking for investment opportunities? Can you ELI5 what the project is about?

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I could.
Looking at this thread, everyone who posted could since as was mentioned everyone so far is wearing a sig and has been for more then 3 months.All those addresses are posted and probably archived.

Guessing the question is how much other info would you need? Anything that is PII?

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November 20, 2020, 07:47:17 PM
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IMHO, there's still some room for increasing the number of transactions for each of those periods...
- As it stands, it's a bit too easy to achieve those requirements; therefore it defeats its purpose [to an extent] when it comes to combating users with multi-accounts.

I agree, and I've already made some changes.  I've also been working on some cool worm technology to expose a ponzi scammer - it will be a lot harder than people think to abuse the system.  Rather than guarantees of uniqueness, the system will generate probabilities.   A higher accuracy number generates higher probabilities

Guessing the question is how much other info would you need? Anything that is PII?

From the front page:  "We don't care who you are.  Legal and advertiser obligations require some information, but otherwise we will not ask you for any PII."
- IP addresses are calculated only for unique impressions for our advertisers
- We use no third party scripts or advertising and all images are hosted by the club.

I didn't understand the club very well. There is too many information in the website.
is it a club looking for investment opportunities? Can you ELI5 what the project is about?

Had to look up ELI5.  Smiley    No, we are not an investment club.   I'm not promising ponzi returns, tracking progress on a spreadsheet or holding any coin myself.  (No 99% loss here!)  May or may not need initial funds and the sale of some limited profit shares.

The iPhone was created at a time where the necessary technologies (screen, battery, cell tech, etc) advanced just enough.   We are now at that point with crypto.   The DeFi push, Machine Learning and the Pandemic have all combined to form a petri dish of legal opportunity in the crypto space. 

This project aims to help legitimize crypto by redistributing wealth to those who need it in a fair and easy way. A verified database of escrows (including automated free escrow) will help eliminate all the trust issues with the current trust system.  A verified list of merchants (physical or electronic goods) and an automated Borrow/Escrow/Trade should increase commerce by providing instant secure transfers 24 hours a day. 


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The project is https://clubcrypto.live, and I really need a web designer.  

What kind of design do you expect? What kind of work do you expect? Are you going to pay in BTC?
I am not a professional, but I have learned a bit of javascript and bootstrap building my website. Maybe I can help you.

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November 21, 2020, 08:46:58 PM
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The project is https://clubcrypto.live, and I really need a web designer.  

What kind of design do you expect? What kind of work do you expect? Are you going to pay in BTC?

The club pays everything in crypto.  To avoid unnecessary expenses such as gas or transaction fees, we use a private blockchain.  Our token is called the savat - Secure Anonymous Verifiable Automation Token.  One savat is minted for every bitcoin we hold, and you can instantly trade savat for btc 1:1 24 hours a day.  Due to a planned minting system, savat should trade for more than btc during growth cycles, since savat is the only token allowed on the platform. 

The club will publish a tax record for each crypto address you do business on - it is up to you what you do with this info, as we do not associate accounts with PII.

Once we have launched, the budget for a web master is about 0.03 btc a month ($500 USD).  Until the launch, the web master will be compensated with ten profit shares, which should bring in about 0.0011/month each, and increase over time.   The final budget will be finished within two weeks, at which time I'll have numbers more closely tied to the market.

I program in C#, although that should not matter to a designer.   The designer needs to make it work with the IPB software, and I have a Syncfusion license. 

As for what I expect?  Modern, Responsive and Professional.  That's why I do not want to hire anyone until I can see the type of work they do. 



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