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It's a matter of time until people will have nowadays hobbies as full time jobs in the near future. Technology is evolving fast and taking the most repetitive and hardworking tasks humans have been doing since centuries ago. Once these jobs don't exist anymore what will people do for a living? Of course human kind will have to adapt themselves to this new world and be creative to find new sources of income. And I'm sure internet will play the main role when this happens. Most people, if not all, will have to live from an internet income. When people say crypto currency is the future they aren't kidding.
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November 23, 2020, 08:18:28 AM |
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Youtuber and freelancer are also doing their work to earn money, if they don't do something then they wouldn't earn money, no output, no money as well. This cryptocurrency makes us good in a way that we could earn money even though we don have a career, we don't need to go outside, we can earn money working at home even though we are lying, that is why bitcoin and the market are good because of the convenience. Just make sure that you have good knowledge about it.
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November 23, 2020, 08:24:51 AM |
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The problem with a lot of people these days are the fact that governments are making it easy for people not to have to work. In many countries, high unemployment and the lack of jobs are forcing governments to pay social grants to the people that cannot find jobs and this is all funded by middle and upper income groups that are also suffering to survive in these difficult times. So the jobless give up and simply live off these grants and the employed people gets taxed to death to fund it. We need to get more "online" job opportunities with decent payment and also some benefits. (These Streamers and Freelancers gets no benefits and only a small percentage of them do well enough to provide it for themselves.) ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif)
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November 23, 2020, 08:40:05 AM |
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Isn't it that what makes those things, YouTube and Gamers, exists because of jobs? It exists because there are people who make games and get paid for it = Job. YouTube cannot exist if no people monitor and make sure that it does the way it is. Freelancers wouldn't have their tools if it weren't for the developers' jobs made by a company, the employer. People can achieve freedom anytime, but can you be comfortable knowing that freedom is not knowing when you will get food?
The job market is becoming more specialized and more focused on different fields. It's just up to you to be up for the job. Whether or not you like jobs or not, people are still counting on it for a living, and it wouldn't stop now. It's different for everyone; whether you want a job or not, not everyone gets to have that opportunity. Be grateful you don't need one and still live comfortably.
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November 23, 2020, 08:49:58 AM |
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You forgot BTC. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) And yeah, being jobless has been the best job one can have nowadays because that person can do what they want to do, whenever they want to do and in what volume do they want to do. Freelance is like a business without actually having one (like you can't really call it a business but working on your own conditions). There's not a lot you need to succeed in freelancing, patience and focus on your skills as well as polishing them time to time is what it takes to become the best freelancer ever. I respect you and your 10+ years and hope everything had been smooth for you and may always be the best for you. Making correct life decision is always big part of a successful plan, because you only live once, make a bad decision you waste a lot of your time, nobody can buy back time, and wasting big part of life on a JOB will always the worst decision one can make, it’s not a surprise at all.
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November 23, 2020, 08:54:19 AM |
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I've also been unemployed for about two years. Initially, I didn't want to work, but it is difficult to find a well-paying job. Finally, for the past two years I have focused on making money from the internet. Such as trading, bounty hunter, captcha typist, online shop and youtube. Didn't expect the income I got per month to exceed my income when working as a bank employee.
I don’t like working for a employer, I actually quit within the probation a highly paid job, because it’s suck to selling my soul to this job market and getting absolutely drained, whether get older by a few years worth of getting that pay, nope, I’m not regret to quit the job, because they can’t value my potential, my potential is unlimited not confined on their judgement, and I had prove to them I don’t need them for 10 years and still doing great!
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November 23, 2020, 09:03:09 AM |
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Good for you. And this is a growing trend in countries with inefficient job markets and/or a low universal wage.
Especially during the COVID pandemic, it doesn't quite make sense for people who have recently just lost their jobs to slave away for measly dollars finding new employment where they are underemployed when they can find much better opportunities online (given they have skills).
Be flexible and be ready to upskill. I think that is the mantra in this modern job environment.
Yeah the job market is a JOKE, there is literally judging you based on how much money you can ROB the society on your product, they don’t want a product that’s great all they care is profit, that’s fine then, if the profit is all that matter we would eventually get into this never ending rabbit hole where we seek destruction over progression, yup this is the world we are having right now where profit rule, I love to see this world burn and soon the government employers bank social leeches and all of them will suffer the most, look at them right now, they’re all over the place and making noise, that put a smile on my face, because they finally feel the pain of their own creation.
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I don't think it's good to rely on just being a YouTuber or gamer and such since it's only temporary unless you already have the name in that industry. Also, I have seen a lot of people trying to be a vlogger and a gamer but not everyone has the same opportunity to gain popularity and income from it. But being a freelancer can still be considered having a job, even if it has no benefits like the usual worker. It's good for you that you don't need to be working for others to earn income since you were able to do that in several ways.
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November 23, 2020, 01:34:08 PM |
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I do not have job but it doesn't mean that I just being dependent on my parents and my family for me to live, I have businesses and I managed different portfolios in cryptocurrency and stock market. If you say job, usually those people are the employees who are working for someone or working for corporations. I'm self employed where I'm a trader and I use my skills in order to fulfill the services needed by someone. Actually you can really survive without applying for jobs because there are a lot of opportunities in different types of market.
I'm a type of person who have good mindset wherein I want to become a investor or a self employed than to become a employee. I also hate applying jobs and for me it is a waste of time even though there are some benefits. I said it is a waste of time because my skills are becoming waste if I just become employee.
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November 23, 2020, 02:55:54 PM |
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i think you may be confusing some terminology here. there is a difference between having no job (jobless) and being self-employed. the examples you mentioned in OP such as freelancer are self-employed not jobless.
the only people who are truly "jobless" are the bums living under a bridge or the millionaire kiddos who are living off their parents money.
I agree. I was also confused by the heading. Making YouTube videos and writing blogs takes a lot of time and effort. And there is always a huge risk of your effort going unrewarded. I am someone who tried blogging a decade back, but I never got the amount of visitors or advertisement revenue that I hoped for. Not everyone can indulge in to these niche fields. On top of hard work, it also requires a lot of talent and skill in different domains.
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I have been "jobless" for 5+ years as well, I do not find it any effective to try to get to a regular job where you have to wake up very early, go to a place with a bus, work there for 8 hours not really working for all of it and just killing time in most of it, then go back to your home at night for maybe dinner time (maybe not even that) watch a show and sleep and repeat that. This type of life that was pressured people to live for few hours a day of their life really doesn't make sense to me, I could find a job tomorrow if I want to but that method is not for me at all.
So, I have been freelancing for 5+ years now and I am very happy about it, I make my own time, I work whenever I want to and I do not kill time here, when I have a job to do I work and other times I can do whatever I want to.
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November 23, 2020, 03:58:21 PM |
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i think you may be confusing some terminology here. there is a difference between having no job (jobless) and being self-employed. the examples you mentioned in OP such as freelancer are self-employed not jobless.
the only people who are truly "jobless" are the bums living under a bridge or the millionaire kiddos who are living off their parents money.
yes, i dont consider freelancers as jobless but self-employed. you are still doing your job but in your own time and being the boss of yourself. freelancing is common nowadays, as a lot of jobs can now be source out via net. however, you need to take care of your own insurance and filing of other paperworks. but there are a lot of perks of being your own boss. not many can afford to have this lifestyle. but if youre one of the lucky ones that can survive in this arrangement, you will enjoy the freedom from being tied-up with 9-5 job and have more time with your family. i guess a lot of people are now doing freelancing esp in this pandemic crisis. work at home is the new norm! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) another good thing about being self-employed is that you have a much better job security than an employed person because it is all in your control and it is a lot more predictable than being employed by a company for example that can fire you (for example for downsizing) or just go under. but i agree that it is harder and is not for everyone.
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November 23, 2020, 04:05:48 PM |
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Are you sure you consider YouTubers, gamers, and freelancers to be jobless? Maybe I want to make things right, they are not jobless, but they are working the way they are taking and according to their passion. Nowadays, the world has shifted slightly with the concept of working for many people, it used to be very different. In the past, people who did not work regularly for 8 hours at the office were considered unemployed, but nowadays there are many job options that someone can choose. And in the future around 10 years, maybe more people will spend their working time at home or anywhere. Some job professions will no longer be hired by companies because they will be replaced by freelancers. Such as accountants, data scientists, and many more. Companies don't need to hire someone to stay in their office to work on financial reports or even data from the company, they just need freelancers and cut a lot of routine company costs.
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another good thing about being self-employed is that you have a much better job security than an employed person because it is all in your control and it is a lot more predictable than being employed by a company for example that can fire you (for example for downsizing) or just go under. but i agree that it is harder and is not for everyone.
Exactly. My brother and his friend were working for a company since 2010, so it's almost a decade since they've been serving them. Now, after this Corona came, the company went on to trim the number of total workers in their company and there's literally nothing wrong in doing that. But both of them gave their 100% to the company and these 2 were the only ones to be working for that company for a decade, all others have changed in a period of time every few years and some even during months. The company even removed both of them and gave reason that as they've become too old members of the company, they need retirement. So the company is removing them, that's shit. Even I took it like freelancers are jobless but my meaning here is they're JOB-less as they don't really have a "job" that needs them to remain present everyday 9 to 5 as well as simply earn their living on their own conditions. Living on your own is something you can't really earn through a day-to-day job but an independent self-employed work.
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Isn't it that what makes those things, YouTube and Gamers, exists because of jobs? It exists because there are people who make games and get paid for it = Job. YouTube cannot exist if no people monitor and make sure that it does the way it is. Freelancers wouldn't have their tools if it weren't for the developers' jobs made by a company, the employer. People can achieve freedom anytime, but can you be comfortable knowing that freedom is not knowing when you will get food?
The job market is becoming more specialized and more focused on different fields. It's just up to you to be up for the job. Whether or not you like jobs or not, people are still counting on it for a living, and it wouldn't stop now. It's different for everyone; whether you want a job or not, not everyone gets to have that opportunity. Be grateful you don't need one and still live comfortably.
Are you sure you consider YouTubers, gamers, and freelancers to be jobless? Maybe I want to make things right, they are not jobless, but they are working the way they are taking and according to their passion. Nowadays, the world has shifted slightly with the concept of working for many people, it used to be very different. In the past, people who did not work regularly for 8 hours at the office were considered unemployed, but nowadays there are many job options that someone can choose. And in the future around 10 years, maybe more people will spend their working time at home or anywhere. Some job professions will no longer be hired by companies because they will be replaced by freelancers. Such as accountants, data scientists, and many more. Companies don't need to hire someone to stay in their office to work on financial reports or even data from the company, they just need freelancers and cut a lot of routine company costs.
=== That’s some amount of denial, I’m extremely interested on how you guy write on your job resume, your job experience: “making YouTube videos, play games, sleep, mining bitcoin, freelance, hacking, bounty hunter manager. I’m sure all of you will be kick out of the interview room to write on that resume. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) nice joke BTW. Nope you should never write those on the resume to be serious, nobody will call that a job. Not your parent, not your employers, not your government too. ===
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It's a matter of time until people will have nowadays hobbies as full time jobs in the near future. Technology is evolving fast and taking the most repetitive and hardworking tasks humans have been doing since centuries ago. Once these jobs don't exist anymore what will people do for a living? Of course human kind will have to adapt themselves to this new world and be creative to find new sources of income. And I'm sure internet will play the main role when this happens. Most people, if not all, will have to live from an internet income. When people say crypto currency is the future they aren't kidding.
=== That will be a challenge to tell old people to make some income over the internet, it might even be a challenge to tell your teacher too that you don’t need to go to school to get a job because you have internet income! That’s sound bizarre you are living a totally isolated world that very few people know about it, but it has been around for quite some time. === The problem with a lot of people these days are the fact that governments are making it easy for people not to have to work. In many countries, high unemployment and the lack of jobs are forcing governments to pay social grants to the people that cannot find jobs and this is all funded by middle and upper income groups that are also suffering to survive in these difficult times. So the jobless give up and simply live off these grants and the employed people gets taxed to death to fund it. We need to get more "online" job opportunities with decent payment and also some benefits. (These Streamers and Freelancers gets no benefits and only a small percentage of them do well enough to provide it for themselves.) ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) === I’m unsure of government involvement into job market, they’re not hiring a lot of people, the government reserve a few slot for the people who want to work for the government, which promise great pension benefit and bonus, I think it is the thing of the past, but I believe the pension has been getting a lot of pay cut, and thing are getting dire after the 2008, and we have all sort of corruption going on, and there is absolutely no job since then. === Isn't it that what makes those things, YouTube and Gamers, exists because of jobs? It exists because there are people who make games and get paid for it = Job. YouTube cannot exist if no people monitor and make sure that it does the way it is. Freelancers wouldn't have their tools if it weren't for the developers' jobs made by a company, the employer. People can achieve freedom anytime, but can you be comfortable knowing that freedom is not knowing when you will get food?
The job market is becoming more specialized and more focused on different fields. It's just up to you to be up for the job. Whether or not you like jobs or not, people are still counting on it for a living, and it wouldn't stop now. It's different for everyone; whether you want a job or not, not everyone gets to have that opportunity. Be grateful you don't need one and still live comfortably.
=== I’m sure YouTube didn’t start out as a job for commoners, since google acquire it and monetise the video content, a lot of talents come to it and make freelance musics content, namely VEVO etc, and it was a booming business during its peak. The same with gaming, gamers didn’t get paid for playing games, they’re doing it just to not get bored, and it’s absolutely intrigue to know gamers get paid for gaming, well I might not able to catch up with this changes. Also the virtual in game currency is not really a money, it can only be spend on the game itself, there is some changes that I can’t explain myself, because the virtual currency from the games is slowly getting into a currency of a real world, that’s some absurd thing going on, but nobody have an answer for that. ===
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November 23, 2020, 05:21:40 PM |
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It is true that youtube and other streaming websites have opened a new market and great opportunities but it is not easy because having to play a game professionally is not easy as you receive criticism for small mistakes and appreciation for good plays but this means you slowly lose interest in the game itself and you are now playing the game just for money and views.
I have seen great youtubers and streamers being upset about their career because they struggle to find new and refreshing content constantly and the viewers have multiple gamers to view so if you fail to upload consistently and constantly you will lose your audience.
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November 23, 2020, 05:29:16 PM |
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the only people who are truly "jobless" are the bums living under a bridge or the millionaire kiddos who are living off their parents money.
Ouchh, millionaires who live off their parents' money will be hurt to read this. we should be grateful at this time because technological developments and the internet have created opportunities for "new jobs". those who are unemployed in this era are just "real lazy people"..
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November 23, 2020, 05:38:11 PM |
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As long you are earning enough online I don't think you need to have regular job .
But, you must have the capability to keep that earning going for an elongated period because sometimes online earnings easy but they are temporary and unstable like you might earn $1k in a single month but remain workless for months after that. Having regular job is a pain for everyone and many are already trapped in the thought that if you have no job you don't have money. It's a trap that should be stop it hinders your development as a person . We are lucky that we are in the era that we have many other option to earn Rather than join a job that most people do not want to have.
Job is made for people who are satisfied with limited earnings but at the same time need some regularity in life. Youtube has been great for everyone because anyone can shoot videos and upload them and based on how much their videos are worth they will gain views and earlier it was impossible for a common man to find such a platform where they can showcase their talent without spending anything. I myself watch a lot of magic videos so yeah great way for viewers too to watch anything they want without spending money.
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November 23, 2020, 05:49:15 PM |
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I work in the company as an employee and spend 8 hours in the office. I feel as torment, because I honestly don't enjoy my life. I've been doing this for years, to be honest I'm stressed out living a life like that. Finally, in 2019 I couldn't take it anymore, I resigned from the company where I worked. At first I had financial difficulties, because I used to have a steady income every month.
But after a year of trying to make money from the internet and now I don't regret resigning. Because my income from the internet is much greater and I am free to set my own working hours. And finally I can enjoy my life. Remember I don't invite other people to resign from their jobs. I only share about my story.
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