Abortion is the leading cause of death during the pandemic, killing 37 million

[franky1]

So, what's the issue? Murdering a human being if an unwanted pregnancy is the result of a sex contract or agreement.

so whats the issue
badecker. a virgin wants to assert his machismo republican tyrant mindset on women

things badecker need to understand before even having an opinion on this topic.
*understanding of biological differences between a 7 day embryo vs a 2nd trimester fetus
*legal guardian on dependant where depedant only gets separate power by aging out or emancipation
*legal decision on life or death where there is no conscious thought, or ability to survive without life support
*biology/legal state of what is deemed a viable human independant life

.. we know badecker wont bother learning this stuff
heck badecker has shown that he cant even choose one side. he flip flops between darwin vs god many times

[Renampun]

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No it isn't the best solution they could have taken or used contraceptives if they aren't ready for it.
We need to be responsible for our action taking pills or putting condom is easier than killing a baby.

if the womb is more than 2 months then it can be said to kill...
I had an abortion once because of an unplanned pregnancy, the reason I didn't use the contraceptive injection was because it would make my body ugly. I was once very stressed by a pregnancy that my husband and I did not plan, but my doctor and mother gave a sensible input because my womb was not yet 2 months old so life had not been formed.

[BADecker]

So, what's the issue? Murdering a human being if an unwanted pregnancy is the result of a sex contract or agreement.

so whats the issue
badecker. a virgin wants to assert his machismo republican tyrant mindset on women

things badecker need to understand before even having an opinion on this topic.
*understanding of biological differences between a 7 day embryo vs a 2nd trimester fetus
*legal guardian on dependant where depedant only gets separate power by aging out or emancipation
*legal decision on life or death where there is no conscious thought, or ability to survive without life support
*biology/legal state of what is deemed a viable human independant life

.. we know badecker wont bother learning this stuff
heck badecker has shown that he cant even choose one side. he flip flops between darwin vs god many times

The same cell/chromosome structure is present in the fertilized egg, as it is in every other stage of the pregnancy, and the baby to adult to old age, to death. If you kill anyone, from fertilized egg to old-age death, it's murder.

All you are trying to do is make somebody who has a different makeup into somebody to be murdered. You're a throwback to the times before modern medicine existed. You want to destroy anything that doesn't seem perfect. Unborn isn't perfect because it ain't grown up.

The biological similarity in all stages of a human life is their chromosomes. Different shapes of a human being are simply stages. Intentionally kill it at any stage, you have murdered.

[franky1]

ok badecker has just volunteered to house and parent all people on life support.

and no badecker. you are to never. ever take them off life support even if they are minus 3 month. nor plus 90.
oh and ofcourse all them anorexic and depressed people. yea your responsible for them too. you gotta keep them alive for infinity aswell.

you are now the guardian of all people needing life support.

have fun with that.

does your few braincells hurt when your pro-god mindset fights your pro-darwin mindset?
subtle hint: at some point even you will have to make decisions on when/if its best to end the life support for those in your custody dependant on your life support.

[Natsuu]

A seed is not a tree.
An egg is not a chicken.
An embryo is not a person.

I actually love this wordings, simple yet powerful, would you mind if I use this to some other places?

This aside, Embryo is not a living organism in the first place. It is just a fertilized egg in the woman's stomach, so the argument of murdering a "HUMAN" is not yet valid. The thinking that it is a murder is actually ridiculous, and many researches and scientific evidence prove this wrong.

[BADecker]

A seed is not a tree. - A seed is a stage in the life of a new tree.
An egg is not a chicken. - An egg is a stage in the life of a new chicken.
An embryo is not a person. - An embryo is a stage in the life of a new person.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I actually love this wordings, simple yet powerful, would you mind if I use this to some other places?

By all means.

An embryo is a stage in the life of a new person.

So is a sperm. Stop masturbating already BADecker, you murderer!

[franky1]

badecker does not understand things like lungs and consciousness to be able to independently survive..

when is life actually life if the life support is taken away.
badecker will refuse to answer this question

[BADecker]

An embryo is a stage in the life of a new person.

So is a sperm. Stop masturbating already BADecker, you murderer!

What new person? The sperm without an egg will never grow into a new person. And its chromosome set is different than the chromosome set of any embryo.

In addition, if the person who is started by a specific embryo lives to age 100, he/she will have the same chromosome set through all that time.

Further, if there is a difference that makes the person to not be a person at some stage, because of the chromosome set being the same, our judgment that any stage is not a numan is arbitrary at best. Better be safe from murder, except if you intend to murder. Let the process continue from conception to birth. Then, if you don't want the child/human-being, give it up for adoption.

Such cowards. The embryo can't fight back. The embryo doesn't have a gun. You cowards take his/her life because he/she is so weak that it is easy. Cowards.

[Vispilio]

There are some great points raised by @BADecker here, and undeniable empirical evidence about the nature and progress of human life cannot be overlooked to further political agendas with ulterior motives.

Human baby is arguably the weakest of all newborns in mammals, and one distinguishing feature separates it from all other babies: that it needs far more meticulous nurture and care compared to all other mammalian life forms.

In fact almost all modern doctors agree that if you just feed and change the diapers of a newborn without taking care of its emotional and social needs, there is a very high chance that it will die...

This places tremendous responsibility of successfully raising a human baby on not just the mother, but on the entire family. If / when the mother decides to keep a baby, the extended family and the greater human society are entering into an unwritten contract with the mother that they will play an active role in the nurturing of such a precious and delicate life form till it's truly independent (as it's compulsory for the development of an intelligent and functional Homo Sapiens), which frankly takes at the very least 4-5 years in modern human species.

Leaving the chromosome debate aside, where @BADecker also is mostly correct despite some other members constantly throwing medical jargon at him to try to obfuscate the truth, it's absurd from an anthropological, socio-economical, ethical and pragmatic perspective that the decision of negating life should rest solely on one human being, whereas the affirmative decision will have far reaching ramifications on the entire species.

[BADecker]

badecker does not understand things like lungs and consciousness to be able to independently survive..

when is life actually life if the life support is taken away.
badecker will refuse to answer this question

What in the world happened to you, franky1? Did you go on a bad LSD trip, and come back without much ability to think, but with an ego about 10 times the size you had before?

When Elon Musk gets his moon shot ready, go on out to the moon. Walk around naked on the moon, and see how long you live without life support. You are welcome to take your walker.

[EmAy]

Bu konuyu baz alacak olursak. Trafik kazaları, açlık vb. nedenlerle yıllık oranı baz alırsak epeyce ölüm oranı var.
İnsanların bilinçsiz yaşamasından, bencil davranışlarından ve düşünmeden eyleme geçmesinden kaynaklı. Bilakis covid salgının ölüm oranının yıllık bazında bu kadar fazla oluşu salgın konusunda toplumların yeterli duyarlılık sağlamamasından kaynaklıdır. Ölüm oranları düşürmek istiyorsak insanların dahada bilnçli olmasını sağlamalıyız. Ücra köylerde hatta ücra kelimesi yanlış olur, norminal düzeyde ilçelerde bile insanlar, toplumun ahlak çerçevesinde uyandırdığı baskılardan dolayı çiftler bariyer yönteminden bile bihaber. Kürtaj da bunun kaçınılmaz sonu oluyor. Vel hâsılı kelam, bilinçli toplum yaşam riskini minimuma düşüren en büyük faktördür.

[franky1]

When Elon Musk gets his moon shot ready, go on out to the moon. Walk around naked on the moon, and see how long you live without life support. You are welcome to take your walker.

in which case it is upto elon must to decide who should be allowed in his delivery system. and even when inside the delivery system, elon can terminate the mission. for any reason he chooses.

just being strapped into a space shuttle seat does not give you automatic right to be delivered to space

as for badeckers endless rand about 'embryo has same dna as baby.
sorry but no it doesnt

as cells divide and become different body parts. the dna becomes more detailed. its like a basecode at embryo that then self writes into complex code.

an adult has different dna than it has at embryo.
yep. its why cloning is complex. because you cant just put an adults dna into an empty stem cell/egg
you need to find the base code of the adults complex dna.

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that is the dumbed down summary. but in very short form if thats too mind bending for you..
.. a zygote is not the same as a embryo, whic is not the same as a blastocyst, which is not the same as a fetus

[BADecker]

When Elon Musk gets his moon shot ready, go on out to the moon. Walk around naked on the moon, and see how long you live without life support. You are welcome to take your walker.

in which case it is upto elon must to decide who should be allowed in his delivery system. and even when inside the delivery system, elon can terminate the mission. for any reason he chooses.

just being strapped into a space shuttle seat does not give you automatic right to be delivered to space

as for badeckers endless rand about 'embryo has same dna as baby.
sorry but no it doesnt

as cells divide and become different body parts. the dna becomes more detailed. its like a basecode at embryo that then self writes into complex code.

an adult has different dna than it has at embryo.
yep. its why cloning is complex. because you cant just put an adults dna into an empty stem cell/egg
you need to find the base code of the adults complex dna.

..
that is the dumbed down summary. but in very short form if thats too mind bending for you..
.. a zygote is not the same as a embryo, whic is not the same as a blastocyst, which is not the same as a fetus

Elon might take you with your physical walker, but your mental walker is way too big for his spacecraft.

 

[Crptomagma]

I’m not surprised hearing that abortion leading cause of death during these pandemic. Yeah as a result of the pandemic there was global lockdown and everyone was advised to stay at home, many couples and even single ma cohabitating together lack some preventive measures and good marital plans to avoid abortion cases or even poverty and bringing a child to the world to suffer.

As a result of the pandemic many couples didn’t put much consideration on using contraceptives during sex and these results to lots of abortion cases these period.

[Pizzalover420]

Abortion is murder, the second the sperm hits the egg that is when you are born.

[Natsuu]

Abortion is murder, the second the sperm hits the egg that is when you are born.

A zygote is not a human, it does not even have flesh, a consciousness, feelings, body or face structures, or even bones and skins.

I myself am not born after the sperm meets the egg. It is like a seed, it is not yet a living organism unless you planted it and it started to grow the first leaf. Only then you can say that it is living.

It is good to study science buddy. Or you can even search for the very definition of life as many defines it, and you can see for your self that it is not yet a "life" form when it is just a ZYGOTE!

[Nelkel007]

Embryos are not babies, having said that @BADecker don't you think it's appropriate for women to abort some babies?
Don't you think the world at large is over populated?

Please I need constructive criticism, that's if you want to criticize. don't come from the religious field.

What's your take?

[BADecker]

Embryos are not babies, having said that @BADecker don't you think it's appropriate for women to abort some babies?
Don't you think the world at large is over populated?

Please I need constructive criticism, that's if you want to criticize. don't come from the religious field.

What's your take?

A child is not an adult. So what? You can tell by the chromosomes that they are all stages in a life of a human being. Kill a human at any stage of his life, and it is still murder.

World population is presently not near being a problem.

Since you are coming from the religious field with your questions, how can I answer them without the religious field? Only if you know for an absolute fact that what you say is absolute truth... only then might it start to deviate from the field of religion.

I don't take without an offer being made first.

[Natsuu]

Embryos are not babies, having said that @BADecker don't you think it's appropriate for women to abort some babies?
Don't you think the world at large is over populated?

Please I need constructive criticism, that's if you want to criticize. don't come from the religious field.

What's your take?

A child is not an adult. So what? You can tell by the chromosomes that they are all stages in a life of a human being. Kill a human at any stage of his life, and it is still murder.

World population is presently not near being a problem.

Since you are coming from the religious field with your questions, how can I answer them without the religious field? Only if you know for an absolute fact that what you say is absolute truth... only then might it start to deviate from the field of religion.

I don't take without an offer being made first.

May I intervene with this, but in which sentence does @Nelkell007 put religious field in this?

Another things:

1. Child has life, teens have life, an adult has life, but zygote and embryo don't. The thing about is, if you're referring to chromosomes as your main argument, then we shouldn't masturbate cause we will cause sperm and egg to die, which is part of "STAGE OF LIFE". Many other aspects should be considered in considering if a thing is already a life form or not.

2. World Population is really problematic right now, increasing at a rate of 1.05% per year or 80 + million annually in the whole world, And as we all know that in order to survive, we must take resources as a source of nutrition, shelter, and clothings. If we dig deeper, it doesn't end there as the hierarchy of social status within each country is correlated to the consumption of resources.