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November 29, 2020, 08:57:17 AM
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Are there any other tools or techniques one should have in entire privacy toolkit knowledge other than the three I mentioned?
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November 29, 2020, 09:11:25 AM
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Are there any other tools or techniques one should have in entire privacy toolkit knowledge other than the three I mentioned?
Privacy is not protected if you don't make your transactions as private as possible. It relates to the steps you do to make your inputs and your outputs.

Not all tumblers or mixers can 100% protect your privacy and there are many tumblers or mixers were shut down by governments because their operations, transactions are traceable by governments.

Coin join transactions have anonymity set and the bigger the set is the better privacy you can get but you would never remix or recombine your mixed coins from Coin Join.

Privacy coins: The best one is Monero and for the rest self-claimed privacy coins, you would be careful if you believe in their developers' promises on privacy.

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November 29, 2020, 09:49:54 AM
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Are there any other tools or techniques one should have in entire privacy toolkit knowledge other than the three I mentioned?
Privacy is not protected if you don't make your transactions as private as possible. It relates to the steps you do to make your inputs and your outputs.

Not all tumblers or mixers can 100% protect your privacy and there are many tumblers or mixers were shut down by governments because their operations, transactions are traceable by governments.

Coin join transactions have anonymity set and the bigger the set is the better privacy you can get but you would never remix or recombine your mixed coins from Coin Join.

Privacy coins: The best one is Monero and for the rest self-claimed privacy coins, you would be careful if you believe in their developers' promises on privacy.

[Guide] Decent mixing methods

That's not an answer to the question I asked. You are simply stating the obvious. I already know everything you said. Next time, please answer the question or don't reply.
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November 29, 2020, 10:01:08 AM
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Just a heads up(though not an answer to your question): privacy shouldn't be with your Bitcoin holdings alone. Your personal privacy is actually far more important. Smiley

Check this out: https://privacytools.io/

P.S. Kudos to you for being privacy conscious.

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November 29, 2020, 10:07:20 AM
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Are there any other tools or techniques one should have in entire privacy toolkit knowledge other than the three I mentioned?

Other than that, the only way I can think of is simply using new addresses to received or send your payments. Or using Tor to hide your pubic IP address.

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November 29, 2020, 11:33:49 AM
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Just a heads up(though not an answer to your question): privacy shouldn't be with your Bitcoin holdings alone. Your personal privacy is actually far more important. Smiley

Check this out: https://privacytools.io/

P.S. Kudos to you for being privacy conscious.

This is true, you need to protect your privacy everywhere, only using mixers/tumblers is not enough.

And if you send your coins to a mixer and keep doing bad security privacies (such as address reuse) you may end up revealing yourself in those mixed coins very soon.

Try not to reuse addresses, try to avoid using different addresses in the same transaction (use coin control feature from electrum wallet), and so on.


It is worth taking a look at blockstream privacy analysis at your addresses to see what you are doing wrong
https://blockstream.info/tx/30a011358e856d68ec084e620bf41c6852ddd3ffe628aad51f206269112f1f2c

And bitcoin wiki blockchain privacy is also good article
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Privacy#Blockchain_attacks_on_privacy

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November 29, 2020, 11:47:36 AM
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Are there any other tools or techniques one should have in entire privacy toolkit knowledge other than the three I mentioned?

The most important privacy tool is not mixers and so on. The most important privacy tool is yourself.
This includes the way you are using the wallet and change addresses.
This includes the way you give or not KYC info.
This includes how easy can your address(es) get linked to your forum account, the social media accounts and then to your real name.
This includes even the things you may buy for crypto or related to crypto and get delivered to your own home.
And yes, of course, the tools you mentioned.  Wink

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November 29, 2020, 01:45:44 PM
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Hello
I do believe that the privacy of a coin is very much dependent on **the person who is using them** , you should understand that. Things like :
- changing your address with every transaction
- using wallets who doesn't require KYC eg , samourai
- Making sure that you use mails eg, proton mail to generate a protected address which would not be connected with your real address
- not downloading the softwares from weird sites
- only using trusted softwares which would not temper with your privacy
- Making sure that you try and follow up with the terms and conditions.
It's really a long list ... I do believe any coin would be private if you do use it smartly.
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November 29, 2020, 01:55:09 PM
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It is worth taking a look at blockstream privacy analysis at your addresses to see what you are doing wrong
https://blockstream.info/tx/30a011358e856d68ec084e620bf41c6852ddd3ffe628aad51f206269112f1f2c
If want to check it, check it with VPS or Tor for your privacy. Blockstream.info explorer provides information for transaction (check it with VPS/ Tor)

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November 29, 2020, 01:55:34 PM
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and use full-node wallet (e.g. Bitcoin Core).

To expand on this point, the developers are often looking for ways to improve privacy within the base protocol.  Dandelion was implemented some time ago now, which helps in preventing "supernodes" mapping where transactions originate from.  Taproot is currently in the early stages of activation, which should also improve privacy with certain transaction types.  I'm sure there are other examples besides those, too.  Be sure to use the right software if privacy is important to you.

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November 29, 2020, 02:20:06 PM
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Some of the techniques I know about protecting privacy are to use a different bitcoin address to accept each payment. This is much easier to do and also safer than if you are using a third party service. In addition, many also recommend using the TOR browser so you can hide your IP address. But using multiple wallet is the easiest and I think we could consider protecting privacy depending on what its purpose is.

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November 29, 2020, 02:27:56 PM
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Some of the techniques I know about protecting privacy are to use a different bitcoin address to accept each payment.
User having knowledge with tumblers, coinjoin and privacy coin & having concerned about privacy, must know this basic of not reusing addresses. Apart from this, you don't have to use different wallet. You can use one single wallet and maintain all the addresses by using coin control to avoid letting others know some of your addresses.

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November 29, 2020, 02:29:23 PM
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some additional tips:

1) use privacy screen for your electronics device when trade (many camera now days can record what you are doing in their stores).  scan QR code in an angle to avoid it being captured by mass surveillance.
2) always run an full bitcoin core node over tor to estimate fee or to validate an incoming transaction, i.e- -bind=127.0.0.1 -listen=1
3) learn to use advanced coin control features: never broadcast transaction on guest network in public spaces like starbucks. Use VPN, and access blockstream to broadcast your transaction (e.g., http://explorerzydxu5ecjrkwceayqybizmpjjznk5izmitf2modhcusuqlid.onion/tx/push)

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November 29, 2020, 10:09:44 PM
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Generally speaking:

Use Linux. Use Tor, or at least, use Firefox with privacy tweaks and add ons. Avoid everything Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, etc. Avoid social media. Use free and open source software for everything. Sign up to as little as possible. Use disposable emails frequently. Encrypt everything.

Resources:

https://privacytools.io/
https://prism-break.org/en/
https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/wiki/

In terms of bitcoin:

Do not complete KYC anywhere, ever. Do not use centralized exchanges. Trade decentralized and peer to peer only. Use cash and avoid traceable fiat payments. Run your own full node over Tor. Do not reuse addresses. Utilise coin control. Avoid change outputs, or at least obfuscate them. Avoid using unusual scripts. Utilise mixers, coinjoin, payjoin, coinswap, whirlpool. Use off chain transactions. Avoid block explorers.

Resources:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Privacy
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November 29, 2020, 11:03:43 PM
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Not exactly a tool, more of a technique - coin control. For example, if you have some coins that you have mixed, and some coins that weren't, and you send them both to the same address, even worse if it's done in one transactions, than chainanalysis will say that they most likely belong to the same person. Similarly, receiving coins to the same address would create a connection. There's a site called walletexplorer which provides this simple chainanalysis for free, you can play a bit with it just to see how easy it is to establish connections between addresses. Pretty much every public service has well-known cold and hot wallets.
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