Blackjack card counting at live table games?

[magneto]

Has anyone tried to come up with a program that counts cards at Evolution or other live gaming providers' tables?

Whilst I understand that they generally use a crapload of decks (8 for most games, I think) and have insanely bad deck penetration, isn't it theoretically feasible to still take advantage of certain variations in the count if you monitored enough tables with an automated program?

Surely Evolution has some sort of safeguard against this that I'm missing? 

[arallmuus]

Has anyone tried to come up with a program that counts cards at Evolution or other live gaming providers' tables?

If anyone has been using this kind of program, he would be making tons of money without letting people know about it

Whilst I understand that they generally use a crapload of decks (8 for most games, I think)

Yes , 8 decks

isn't it theoretically feasible to still take advantage of certain variations in the count if you monitored enough tables with an automated program?

Surely Evolution has some sort of safeguard against this that I'm missing? 

Aside from having higher house edge compared to regular casino, the dealer will only play around 30-40% of the total of the deck which means it will be hard for card counter due to the constant shuffling / deck changing. Evolution is also rumored to have some other safeguard to monitor player's activities while playing so if you are constantly betting / winning with the same pattern over and over again then they might be alerted

[Baofeng]

To counter this, online casinos are employing a continue's shuffle machine making card counting not usable in online black jack. We also have this kind of topic here, Card Counting in Blackjack.

[Gambit2s]

If someone already developed a card counting program he will probably keep it for himslef so we'll never know

[ryzaadit]

I believe evolution gaming :
- 8 decks.
- Shuffle again when almost half card has been used (yellow card comes out).

Because of that, IMO you will cannot counted the card at all because they always changing or shuffle the card when almost half card has been used.

[Lavander]

To counter this, online casinos are employing a continue's shuffle machine making card counting not usable in online black jack. We also have this kind of topic here, Card Counting in Blackjack.

I was really curious what is a card counting in blackjack since I've been playing this game a year now. Thanks for the link.

[Lorence.xD]

To counter this, online casinos are employing a continue's shuffle machine making card counting not usable in online black jack. We also have this kind of topic here, Card Counting in Blackjack.

Thank you for linking my topic. I have done some research about this and yes you can't do much about it online. The profit is not worth the effort to count the cards and most of the time you might be wrong about your guess. There are on the other hand, physical casinos which you can exploit although it will be a mental gymnastics to do so.

[Kelvinid]

I can't imagine if that really works, if they are going to push that way, I would say that it won't last long, and surely it will be caught sooner.

It is a kind of cheating. If someone knows that thing and proven true, not only it makes gamblers stay away from that site but it also ruins their reputation. I'm not sure if that is tolerable and I'm not sure if the owners will do that stupid thing just to make more money and fulfill their greediness.

[Debonaire217]

I can't imagine if that really works, if they are going to push that way, I would say that it won't last long, and surely it will be caught sooner.

It is a kind of cheating. If someone knows that thing and proven true, not only it makes gamblers stay away from that site but it also ruins their reputation. I'm not sure if that is tolerable and I'm not sure if the owners will do that stupid thing just to make more money and fulfill their greediness.

Perhaps, what the house will do is just to punish anyone who is caught doing the same thing. Remember, most of the casinos have active security personnel who are always looking at the CCTV's and monitoring the winnings and losses of the players. If they found out that someone is really winning streak, they can be already alarmed. From that point, you are now being watched and if proven, you might end up having an unpleasant condition with the casino. Everyone hates cheating so I guess we should just enjoy the game, let our luck decides our winnings. But I can suggest that if we win a big amount, we should consider having a rest not just because it might be lost completely but also because it could be a reason for security to suspect us with card counting.

[Silberman]

Has anyone tried to come up with a program that counts cards at Evolution or other live gaming providers' tables?

Whilst I understand that they generally use a crapload of decks (8 for most games, I think) and have insanely bad deck penetration, isn't it theoretically feasible to still take advantage of certain variations in the count if you monitored enough tables with an automated program?

Surely Evolution has some sort of safeguard against this that I'm missing?  

If you play long enough you should be able to take advantage of card counting, the problem is that it is a very old strategy and casinos know about it so they are very alert to any betting pattern change that coincides with a positive count for the player, expert card counters have countered with a strategy of their own, team play. Instead of raising the bet themselves they signal a player of their team that the count is in their favour and he makes big bets only during the time the count is in their favour, so the question is, can you join a particular table on demand or is it random? If you can join a particular table then you could you use team play, however this is obviously against the policies of most casinos and at some point your account will be banned.

[GrinZ]

Each game has its own moves, of course, but most people can make it a personal experience by playing it over time. I do not think there will be anything as mentioned in the subject content, I think it is related to personal luck and experience.

[bonjouros]

You can surely earn a good amount of profit if you can master the card counting technique in blackjack but I am not so sure if it is very easy to master also especially that Blackjack is still operating until now.

Blackjack will become obsolete for sure if card counting will be very easy to master as the players will just study it and boom they can earn money to blackjack then the house will be in trouble for sure. If anyone can do this perfectly without being notice then I am sure that they will keep it for themeselves in order to preserve the technique and to avoid being trace by the casino owners.

[Baofeng]

To counter this, online casinos are employing a continue's shuffle machine making card counting not usable in online black jack. We also have this kind of topic here, Card Counting in Blackjack.

Thank you for linking my topic. I have done some research about this and yes you can't do much about it online. The profit is not worth the effort to count the cards and most of the time you might be wrong about your guess. There are on the other hand, physical casinos which you can exploit although it will be a mental gymnastics to do so.

No problem mate, I remember you thread that's why I did try to link it up here so that the OP can see it as well. Yeah, probably it is more "adapted' in land based casinos, but then again, everyone in the floor and in the eye in the sky keeps tab of everyone in the table and can spot card counters and we all know that it is not illegal per se, but casino's can ask you to leave the vicinity as it is a private property.

[robelneo]

Has anyone tried to come up with a program that counts cards at Evolution or other live gaming providers' tables?

Whilst I understand that they generally use a crapload of decks (8 for most games, I think) and have insanely bad deck penetration, isn't it theoretically feasible to still take advantage of certain variations in the count if you monitored enough tables with an automated program?

Surely Evolution has some sort of safeguard against this that I'm missing? 

Gambling operators are always two-step ahead they always are the first to know if there are application or strategy that can make them lose, they even ban from live casinos gambling they think people who are involved in card counting and are good at it, you can look further or people can recommend you something, but they already know it and have made the necessary adjustment, so it's just a waste of time.

[Wexnident]

They not only use 8 decks, they also shuffle it after a certain period/rounds to guarantee card counting isn't done. Additionally, I suppose the casino themselves have some sort of detection software or something they designed themselves that reacts when a certain player acts suspicious. The casino themselves may not present hard/solid proof, but you and I and casinos know that any player doing card counting would and almost always will perform certain actions that are quite obvious. Plus, the player can't exactly do anything if the casino themselves decide if the player is card counting, they can just kick them out either way.

Just remember that in almost any type of gambling game in casinos, they always have preventive measures for any type of loophole that's already appeared once. They don't really want to risk any probability of loss due to a loophole after all.

[ReiMomo]

It could be possible to develop a card counting machine or you can also do it on your own through practice. However, since it is not legit or still considered as a form of cheating might as well, I guess not to do it anymore because once they caught you which I am pretty sure they could, right there and then you will be kicked out and banned either from the gambling site or in a physical casino that I know you wouldn't want to happen.

I will still suggest just to gamble fairly if your reason for doing it is to be entertained and have fun try not to cheat anymore just play with the amount that you can afford to lose and it will make you a just player.

[swogerino]

It is not possible even if someone set up some automated tool to count the cards because in online game providers most games are handled by a predefined algorithm which is programmed to safeguard the casino from well known tricks like card counting.Also we don’t really know for sure how many decks they are using even if they say they use eight as this is exclusive to them and not us that is why I don’t like blackjack at all.

[rhomelmabini]

Has anyone tried to come up with a program that counts cards at Evolution or other live gaming providers' tables?

Surely a wise burglar regarding this will never ever show or even leave a footprint unless he mess up. By the way, I think everyone should read this https://www.livecasinocomparer.com/news/5-reasons-why-card-counting-on-live-dealer-blackjack-wont-work/

I think Gaming Operators know this beforehand before they even make it to the public and they'll just paying burglars if this isn't take seriously or should I say securely.

[fortunecrypto]

Has anyone tried to come up with a program that counts cards at Evolution or other live gaming providers' tables?

Surely a wise burglar regarding this will never ever show or even leave a footprint unless he mess up. By the way, I think everyone should read this https://www.livecasinocomparer.com/news/5-reasons-why-card-counting-on-live-dealer-blackjack-wont-work/

I think Gaming Operators know this beforehand before they even make it to the public and they'll just paying burglars if this isn't take seriously or should I say securely.

This article obviously discouraged people from doing card counting because it exposes card counting as a trick that you cannot win against a casino, the casinos knows better they are gambler themselves and they explore everything that a gambler will do just to win and they have a counter for this, so no use exploring means to cheat or do card counting.

[Mauser]

Has anyone tried to come up with a program that counts cards at Evolution or other live gaming providers' tables?

Whilst I understand that they generally use a crapload of decks (8 for most games, I think) and have insanely bad deck penetration, isn't it theoretically feasible to still take advantage of certain variations in the count if you monitored enough tables with an automated program?

Surely Evolution has some sort of safeguard against this that I'm missing? 

The effectiveness of counting cards has deminished greatly over the last years. Casinos are well aware of the strategy and are fighting it. Using 8 decks is pretty normal for BlackJack, but the biggest drawback for counting cards are the new shuffle machines. There might still some chances for us gambler to exploit it at the moment. But once the casinos identify such automated behaviour they will likely refine their security systems.