Bounty manager nowadays doesn't do proof reading anymore on the work of translators unlike before. They just hire random guy from nowhere and accept the translation work. Bounty Detective really don't check at all what shit written on the translation work that the company is paying for. This just show how low quality the current campaign management business and its very unfair to other translator that do fair job because they split stake for it.

LOL this asshole again. Slimy campaign manager, likely Vispilio's alt, uses a bunch of sockpuppets or paid shitposters to shill for himself, including plagiarists... makes send that he would funnel his client's money to some other incompetent asshole.

I also looked at this user's posts. Didn't he break the rule?


He has many posts on various local forums while promoting projects.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=715872;sa=showPosts;start=1280

This is just an example of all his great activity.

Since I woke up in a good mood, I'll make this post understandable to the rest of the participants here.... (teletyped words are the translation, just in case no one notices)


Now that we are all in the same page; let's anwer and remark some things.

This thread is not about me, but about you using translation tools and calling that a translation job. You are also not denying that this is indeed the case.

You have disclosed PMs (I don't really care, but it's an attitude that's usually frowned upon).

You've tried to deflect your responsibility in the matter in hand trying to attack me personally with my spelling, which I've already explained, couldn't care less about it while not getting paid for it.

I care not about the years you've been around in the forum, but I do care about what you do in the forum. If your sole contribution is to get paid for flooding the altcoin board with posts that are a copy paste from a translation tool, then I'm sure as hell going to report each and every post that falls into the cattegory (for the matter, not all the posts in the post history so far).

I may have been mean, but I had my reasons to. There was always off with your translated posts that I couldn't figure out, and the moment I translated the overview of signature ad campaigns you popped up in my PMs asking information about those; which leads me to believe that you only care about a paychechk and nothing more.

And I think I rest my case with that, for now that is.

I’m porting here (no Google translated implied though) something I wrote on my local board, regarding the issue of automated translations. To this regard, it’s a fact that there is an existing (non-official) rules that states that automated translations are not allowed on local boards. I do not know the full implications of breaking the rule are for the rule breaker, besides moderators possibly moving to delete posts of the kind.

This case has led me to question (as in a healthy mental debate, not a disregard for the rule) the spirit of the rule itself. Now the rule seems to have been originated in relation to this post:

Back in 2015, automated translations were nothing like they are now, and text translated by these tools alone, with no human intervention, often rendered a poor result, which may have been both unintelligible, and misleading with regards to the original content intent.
Fast forwarding to end of 2020, I personally find Google Translate to be pretty accurate (with obvious counter-examples we can all easily draw up), to the point that it is likely better than an average person who wants to translate a text, and possibly not up to the standards of a professional translator (although they may find aid in such tools as an initial baseline).

I’ve read a couple of @pedrillo0’s translations, and whilst being seemingly a result of an automated translation as per the examples in the OP (with an odd word here and there changed), they are readable and comprehensible from a reader’s point of view. I don’t really want to personalize on this specific case, but rather I was wondering, in general terms, if the rule was meant to be strict (i.e. no use of automated translation - period), or result context-based (i.e. if the result is comprehensible, then it may be debatable).

This is when moderator’s input will be interesting to read. I’m trying to imagine having to deal with this case, and it’s not that dead simple. The moderator will need to first interpret the rule (Boolean vs grey area), then assess whether the posts are indeed Google translated, then (possibly) determine if they are readable, and then decide what to do with the posts and the poster. Now if the result of the translation were to be pure "caca", it would be an easy task, but being the translations pretty good, this is where I fall back on trying to understand the spirit of the rule.

The debate on whether the translator cheapened the effort for the remunerated penny or not is lateral in the big picture (not from a reputation's standpoint though), since we are talking about the rule’s interpretation and appliance, which was not created to protect campaign managers in charge of delegating/hiring translations, but rather, I figure, creating comprehensible content.

Thanks for showing up; I believe you are the only one keeping a cool head with this (out of the ones that are involved from the local board).

For now, I've stopped reporting until we get some guideline from the staff (be it global mod, local mod or admin) but as I did remember talking to franckuestein (former mod) about this some time ago, I did some digging and found 1 PM regarding this issue. Since it's relevant, and he's been inactive for some time, I'm going to post it; if there's any need to verify it's autenticity, I can always hit the report button, as usual.


Of course it's in spanish; but I'll get some context to it. I didn't PM him to ask about this; I remember that it was simply a post that showed up in the local main board, and replied that:

-There was something off with the translation
-The thread should be moved to the altcoin local boards.

I don't remember hitting the report button back at the time. Then, our beloved former mod PM'd me quoting my reply on the thread (and thanking me for it). Basically, he's telling me that this kind of posts help find copy-paste translations and that if I ever see such a thing, I should hit the report button so that it gets handled faster. Needless to say that the post got trashed, so that created quite a precedent to me, and ever since, my stand on machine translations has been, as you say, no use of automated translation - period.

I'll make an exception to this, and I think I mentioned it on OP, when a user is not getting paid for posting in the local board, BUT has some trouble with the language. I for example, double check every post I'm making in the german boards before posting, to see if it'd be understandable; but that is after I have written the post, and not that the post comes out of the tool. This use case is different though; because the "poor" language level is directly related to the skill of the user (I'm using my own example to call myself useless, yes), and not because a translating tool has deemed that wording right.

Anyway, I'll wait and see what the staff has to say on the issue. And I'm not getting involved in a size 14 personal attack shitstorm

I have been pointed to this thread by @CsMiami.

https://ninjastic.space/search?author=pedrillo0&board=28&child_boards=true

This is almost undoubtedly the result of a GT automated translation. Or at least this is what it sounds to an italian mother tongue.
If it were a blind test, I would have reported this message to the moderator as automated translation.



I think it's no secret I fell into this rule a few times.
It is down really down to the attitude of the board moderator, who, in my opinion, dictates the board-specific rules everyone has to adapt.

Of course my message were not paid translation, but only a courtesy post in local boards where my threads got translated.
I think using GT for paid services is a unfair, disqualifying and unethical practice, even before an explicitly forbidden one.

Thanks for the reply, I really apreciaty some local mod input here; and it's rather reasuring to see that we mostly share the standar for when a translation tool may be acceptable or not.

I have tried to check every post before hitting the report button, as many had a link with it and checking those was a really easy thing to do; copy, paste, compare, report... but on some others, there were some signs of strange words or grammar off things. There may be some room for the benefit of the doubt there; but I rather leave those ones up to the mod. There were some others that I couldn't report, because there were no off things at all.

There were however some posts that made perfect sense, and would have completely tricked me. They did have a link, so just in case I double checked, and realized that it had been a copy-paste translation. If there is a complete match, even if its readable and makes perfect sense, would the same principle apply? I know this is more of a personal interpretation of the rules, but still, I rather ask (no need to answer though)

Man, you're really diving headfirst down the rabbit hole on this one--might it not be more efficient to report a few of his posts and just write a note for the mods to have a look at the rest of his posts?  A couple of years ago when I had a bad bout of insomnia, I went on a reporting crusade, but I found that if a member is consistently shitposting/plagiarizing/whatever, you don't need to report every post.

But nice work on this, and don't drive yourself crazy looking for idiots like this using translation tools.  If you take a close look at a lot of members' post history, you can find all sorts of rule-breaking and other offenses.  This forum is still a cesspool of bitcoin-hungry degenerates employing an untold number of alt accounts and who knows what else.

I have no pity.  Period.

Unfortunately, this is an issue that's been going on ever since new shit projects started needing translators, and from what I've seen people are desperate for translation jobs, so I doubt anything is going to improve on its own.  Keep up the good work, OP.

It depends on the languages that are translated, most translations look decidedly better than five years ago, especially from English and into English when major European languages are involved, but the mistranslations when they appear, and appear they will, can still be jarring, the more 'exotic' a language from an Anglophone perspective, the worse it gets.


Same with Polish. Some things are easier to translate, some are more difficult, but parts related to mining, mining pools, staking or wallets are where it's often the easiest to spot the spammer.