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May 19, 2023, 06:31:55 PM
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Bitcoin is getting familiarize due to its higher price and I think those who hold their bitcoin up to 10 years ago have seen more ups and downs so there experience increases and now they will not be worried about the market Fluctuations.

At start there is always a trouble of losing money because people don't have seen any real action in crypto market but just heard about it so when they come across their actual experience they will get every single point about the success and failure. Experience of one year or two year does not make you successful but success requires prolong time so whenever the market makes you disappointed then hold your bitcoin and don't do any action in will be really helpful for you.

Holder of bitcoin for 10 years will be able to maintain the activities of their lives easily and with comfort because it will give them huge profit.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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May 19, 2023, 07:05:47 PM
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Bitcoin is getting familiarize due to its higher price and I think those who hold their bitcoin up to 10 years ago have seen more ups and downs so there experience increases and now they will not be worried about the market Fluctuations.

At start there is always a trouble of losing money because people don't have seen any real action in crypto market but just heard about it so when they come across their actual experience they will get every single point about the success and failure. Experience of one year or two year does not make you successful but success requires prolong time so whenever the market makes you disappointed then hold your bitcoin and don't do any action in will be really helpful for you.

Holder of bitcoin for 10 years will be able to maintain the activities of their lives easily and with comfort because it will give them huge profit.

Most of the time, normal people cannot just come into an asset and then invest in a lump sum and just sit on their investment for 10 years.

Accordingly, frequently it is much better to stay active with your investment and even buying from time to time, whether that might be DCA or lump sum investing or a combination of that.

Of course, individual situations are going to vary in terms of how much of your investment portfolio that you have already established and if you might feel comfortable to merely allocate a lump sum into bitcoin - which seems to be the exception rather than the real world way that even already established investors tend to want to get into some kind of an investment (such as bitcoin) that they are just learning about and adding into their investment portfolio.


Some people might be able to mostly get into bitcoin over several months, some might take a year, some might take several years and some might even take 10 years before they get to some kind of a place in which they have gotten to a place that they are comfortable.. for example  if they might start out thinking that they will start with a 1% allocation into bitcoin, and then later they adjust their allocation to 10% or maybe even later, they might decide that they want a 25% allocation into bitcoin, and of course, establishing an allocation is not the same idea in regards to deciding whether or not to reallocate in the event that bitcoin might end up outperforming other assets that are held in the investment portfolio, so that person might be left with a bit of a dilemma regarding whether they should reallocate some or all of their bitcoin due to its superior performance (if that ends up happening to them) or to let their profits ride (in the event that bitcoin had outperformed some or all of their other investments). 

Personally, I have come to the idea that I would personally prefer to allow the performance (and outperformance) of the bitcoin portion of my investment portfolio to ride rather than to meaningful reallocate, yet I am not denying that any kind of dilemma had not existed in my own thinking about the topic, and since individual investment portfolios are likely going to vary (and their thoughts about their investment portfolios are going to vary too), then they are likely going to still be faced with some dilemmas regarding how to deal with BTC's outperformance of other asset classes, if that ends up continuing to be the case in the future as it had happened in the past (and of course, no guarantees with a dilemma in which BTC outperforms other assets, either).

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May 19, 2023, 07:06:08 PM
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Bitcoin is getting familiarize due to its higher price and I think those who hold their bitcoin up to 10 years ago have seen more ups and downs so there experience increases and now they will not be worried about the market Fluctuations.

One thing I am sure about people who hold their Bitcoin since a decade ago is that they are filthy rich right now.  Yes, they have observed the cycle of the market and surely understood it.  Reason why they don't sell and hold BTC after 10 long years.

At start there is always a trouble of losing money because people don't have seen any real action in crypto market but just heard about it so when they come across their actual experience they will get every single point about the success and failure. Experience of one year or two year does not make you successful but success requires prolong time so whenever the market makes you disappointed then hold your bitcoin and don't do any action in will be really helpful for you.

Holder of bitcoin for 10 years will be able to maintain the activities of their lives easily and with comfort because it will give them huge profit.

In an early industry, the beginning is always a rough road.  No Industry ever had a smooth sail from its foundation.  There are always challenges and reluctance involved but once it is fully established, those who had participated in the beginning will surely rake in a huge profit.

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May 20, 2023, 09:30:41 AM
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Now bitcoin is preparing to reach another ATH. Are you still there and holding your bitcoins? What happened to your life after 10 years in bitcoin? Is there any changes?

Currently, market conditions are not friendly, still dominated by corrections and there are many obstacles for BTC to go up for now, but in my opinion, moments like this are when we still have the opportunity to collect potential coins like BTC or others. For special preparation, at least half of the assets are left in the wallet when another ATH arrives. In the next ten years no one will be able to read it, only predictions and prepare umbrellas before it rains.

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What happened to your life after 10 years in bitcoin? Is there any changes?

This is actually something that I can't tell because I have not spent up to 3 years in Bitcoin already, and I think this question could be best answered by those who were with Bitcoin 10 years ago. If it's about where I see my life in 10 years with Bitcoin, I will say it will all be an assumption; bagging enough bitcoin that could give me profit in every price pump is an achievable possibility for me.

Five years in and I'm about 100%+ which is quite nice..

That sounds good, and judging from the price of Bitcoin in 2019 till now, anyone who bought and still holds Bitcoin till now or even its ATH will probably be on the huge profit side, but that also depends on the amount of Bitcoin purchased and held for this long period of time, because 100% of $1 and 100% of someone who invests $100-$1000 are not actually the same.

Actually is not up to 10yrs I know Bitcoin but then I have known Bitcoin since 2018 and that was after it's ATH in 2017. Since then  I have seen Bitcoin price fluctuate but still I won't say it is a bad experience and I also believe that before my 10yrs experience in Bitcoin I will make a huge profit  and I believe it 😀😀

If I may ask, what's your possible calculation on how you plan to be making your huge profit? There is no certainty that 10 years from now Bitcoin will make a new break to another ATH; there is a possibility that it will hit a new ATH, but you can never tell when and how. If you are certain that you will make a huge profit in 10 years from now, I hope you have a mapped-out strategy that doesn't just involve holding and waiting for a new ATH alone.

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In the past 10 years, Bitcoin has seen significant growth and adoption, and its future trajectory remains uncertain. However, I can provide you with a speculative scenario of what your life might be like if you had invested in Bitcoin and held onto it for 10 years. Please note that this scenario is purely fictional and should not be taken as financial advice.

Ten years after investing in Bitcoin, you might find yourself in a potentially favorable financial position. Bitcoin has experienced periods of volatility and price fluctuations, so the outcome could vary greatly. However, let's imagine a positive scenario where Bitcoin's value has continued to rise.

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Remember that this scenario is purely speculative, and the actual outcome of a Bitcoin investment over 10 years could vary significantly. Cryptocurrency investments are highly volatile and come with risks. It's always essential to conduct thorough research, seek professional financial advice, and make informed decisions based on your individual circumstances and risk tolerance.

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In the past 10 years, Bitcoin has seen significant growth and adoption, and its future trajectory remains uncertain. However, I can provide you with a speculative scenario of what your life might be like if you had invested in Bitcoin and held onto it for 10 years. Please note that this scenario is purely fictional and should not be taken as financial advice.

Even as you text is 90% AI generated, doesn't mean that those AI word's are 100% correct.
According to the OP it's question is where you are to see your self 10yrs from now if you have invested in Bitcoin or where you already are as a Bitcoin investor for the past 10yrs.  To some point I actually disagree with few of your AI's suggestions.


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To some certain extent those who hold Bitcoin over the past year's especially the early investor's can actually say they are now financially stable this is not just done because the are holding Bitcoin but this is as a result of them being consistent and also having other paid job which they earn and foot their bills from rather than just hoping to survive from the profit that Bitcoin will give them , one thing that I know and believe gives one mind to hold for long is having other sources of income.

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This all depends on the kind of job the investors is doing, for someone my self who derive joy on what I do, earning huge profit from Bitcoin will just be a added financial advantage to my life but that doesn't necessarily means I that I will retire from my Job, it might end up being a boring  life to me.

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It's true that those who have earned more from an investment actually split all their profit to other means of earning to reduce their risk of loss and increases their chances of getting more in future. But that's not just done with Bitcoin investors.

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🤔 I actually believe that earning is not among the things that makes a man give out to the community, to be a giver is actually something I see as self made, their are already lots of rice people in my neighborhood who I see giving as something that's not their thing.

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Anyone who have benefited positively from investing in Bitcoin will actually want to try out other coins (altcoins) buy why trying to do so, he should be careful on the kind of coins he invest his money on, for their are lots of Altcoins who are just out their to gain and make profit from their investors why looking as if they are promising.

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At start there is always a trouble of losing money because people don't have seen any real action in crypto market but just heard about it so when they come across their actual experience they will get every single point about the success and failure. Experience of one year or two year does not make you successful but success requires prolong time so whenever the market makes you disappointed then hold your bitcoin and don't do any action in will be really helpful for you.
I still feel that even in conditions like this, even though what you said could be true, under conditions where we talk about the market every day, it is clear that we are not just going to stay and wait, let alone for a long time.
Even though the best thing is to hold on until our goals are achieved and the target we want is successful in the investment we make, we still need more action for that, such as maximizing conditions when a crash comes by utilizing the momentum of buying from below for the development of our portfolio.


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Holder of bitcoin for 10 years will be able to maintain the activities of their lives easily and with comfort because it will give them huge profit.
In fact, 10 years is not a short amount of time and we cannot even guarantee with our condition whether it will be possible or not during those 10 years.
I might be more realistic, as long as you are still capable then continue, but when there are things that you don't want, for example, to happen to your life, you don't have to force them either. because indeed our concept will not wait again and again but of course we have a target regarding the investment we make as long as your target is fulfilled then why are you still pushing for it.
But indeed everyone's views are different on this matter and I also won't insist on what is said is it right or wrong but what I want to emphasize is that even though we are indeed in bitcoin and it still has good hopes then it is still feasible but when we already have a plan and targets to be achieved and when those targets are met it is not wrong to stop and enjoy the results.

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I believe with better condition our life after ten years in bitcoin but can't guarantee we all in the right or better has financial freedom, many of us invested almost ten years in Bitcoin but some urgent need made them have to sell investment assets early and loss opportunity with huge profit earn. I have experienced with Bitcoin since price under $1,000 and ever invested above 50 coins in Ethereum, but some urgency has to pay make difficult choose with my position and have to sell Ethereum under $400 and few months later price going up above before success creating new all time high price.

Actually have been financial freedom after six years invested in Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, hope has chance at the future earn profit with bitcoin or altcoin investment for getting new all time high price again for coins invested.

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I believe with better condition our life after ten years in bitcoin but can't guarantee we all in the right or better has financial freedom, many of us invested almost ten years in Bitcoin but some urgent need made them have to sell investment assets early and loss opportunity with huge profit earn. I have experienced with Bitcoin since price under $1,000 and ever invested above 50 coins in Ethereum, but some urgency has to pay make difficult choose with my position and have to sell Ethereum under $400 and few months later price going up above before success creating new all time high price.

Actually have been financial freedom after six years invested in Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, hope has chance at the future earn profit with bitcoin or altcoin investment for getting new all time high price again for coins invested.

Some urgent needs cannot be predicted and this is a need that must be fulfilled immediately. selling some assets for urgent needs will save us even if selling at prices that are too cheap or don't have much profit. I experienced that several times while investing in bitcoin or altcoins. It was indeed unavoidable.
Starting to invest when the Bitcoin price is still cheap enough and holding it for a long period of time, gives many advantages. Until the time I got a lot of capital to meet all the needs that have been hindering my investment.
Financial freedom will be achieved if the investment can be maintained and run well so as to generate lots of profits. I have achieved many price targets. for now just waiting for the new ATH to be reached.

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May 21, 2023, 12:18:07 AM
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many of us invested almost ten years in Bitcoin but some urgent need made them have to sell investment assets early and loss opportunity with huge profit earn.

Urgent needs should not be a reason to justify our inability to hold for long. We all run into urgent needs in one way or another, and these needs are to some point unavoidable, but we should also note that before we make any form of investment, those investments should not just be our only means of survival; that is to say, we should always have other means of earning. If we are to experience some kind of urgent need that requires us to sell off our holdings, that's fine, but what then stops us from buying those holdings back when we earn from our normal pay jobs? If one is actually determined to buy and hold Bitcoin, selling it off doesn't stop you from buying it back again when you get your hands on cash later.

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hope has chance at the future earn profit with bitcoin or altcoin investment for getting new all time high price again for coins invested.


One thing about investing in crypto currency—"Bitcoin," to be precise— As long as you have a strong holding decision, one day you will actually hit your target. Everyone has their own ATH. Bitcoin in general has hit its ATH, which it could also break anytime soon or later in the future. I never can tell, but one thing is certain: as long as you continue hodling and don't panic sell, you will actually experience your own ATH with your eyes and take profit.


Financial freedom will be achieved if the investment can be maintained and run well so as to generate lots of profits. I have achieved many price targets. for now just waiting for the new ATH to be reached.


To me, financial freedom is easily achievable when one has a diversified investment portfolio. That's not just putting all your assets into one thing; we should have different sources of income to reduce the level of loss that could be incurred at a time and also reduce the amount of pressure you put on each of them.

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May 21, 2023, 05:24:56 PM
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I believe with better condition our life after ten years in bitcoin but can't guarantee we all in the right or better has financial freedom, many of us invested almost ten years in Bitcoin but some urgent need made them have to sell investment assets early and loss opportunity with huge profit earn. I have experienced with Bitcoin since price under $1,000 and ever invested above 50 coins in Ethereum, but some urgency has to pay make difficult choose with my position and have to sell Ethereum under $400 and few months later price going up above before success creating new all time high price.

Actually have been financial freedom after six years invested in Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, hope has chance at the future earn profit with bitcoin or altcoin investment for getting new all time high price again for coins invested.

Some urgent needs cannot be predicted and this is a need that must be fulfilled immediately. selling some assets for urgent needs will save us even if selling at prices that are too cheap or don't have much profit. I experienced that several times while investing in bitcoin or altcoins. It was indeed unavoidable.
Starting to invest when the Bitcoin price is still cheap enough and holding it for a long period of time, gives many advantages. Until the time I got a lot of capital to meet all the needs that have been hindering my investment.
Financial freedom will be achieved if the investment can be maintained and run well so as to generate lots of profits. I have achieved many price targets. for now just waiting for the new ATH to be reached.

When any of us might be running into situations in which we are selling bitcoin (or any other thing that we might invest into.. and fuck shitcoins.. such as ethereum and all the other shitcoins that likely are distracting you, even though you chose to invest into those, which is likely more like gambling rather than investing), then we need to be careful in regards to making sure that we are not overdoing it and that we are making sure that we have a cashflow to continue to cover our expenses in order that we do not have to sell much if any bitcoin at any time other than a time that is completely of our own choosing.

So if we are finding ourselves to be either having to frequently sell our investments at a time that is not of our own choosing, or that we are even getting close to the point in which we are thinking that we might have to sell some of our bitcoin at various inconvenient times, then we likely need to look at the likelihood that we are overinvesting into bitcoin and likely causing our investment to become a form of gambling rather than a form of investing, and since bitcoin is likely amongst the best of asset classes that is currently available, we should be careful in regards to if we are fucking around with trading with it (or gambling with it) rather than figuring out ways to ongoingly prudently accumulate it for the longer term in order that we are the one(s) who are deciding when and under what conditions to sell it.. including that it is likely better to be shaving off sales amounts of BTC along the way, rather than selling large amounts of our BTC that may well end up resulting in our never being able to re-accumulate the BTC that we had ended up selling.

many of us invested almost ten years in Bitcoin but some urgent need made them have to sell investment assets early and loss opportunity with huge profit earn.
Urgent needs should not be a reason to justify our inability to hold for long. We all run into urgent needs in one way or another, and these needs are to some point unavoidable, but we should also note that before we make any form of investment, those investments should not just be our only means of survival; that is to say, we should always have other means of earning. If we are to experience some kind of urgent need that requires us to sell off our holdings, that's fine, but what then stops us from buying those holdings back when we earn from our normal pay jobs? If one is actually determined to buy and hold Bitcoin, selling it off doesn't stop you from buying it back again when you get your hands on cash later.

I would be careful Nwada001 in terms of the belief that you are going to be able to buy back the bitcoin that you had sold based on some urgent and/or emergency need..

Many of us need to be careful in terms of our getting trapped into some kind of a belief that we are going to be able to buy back any BTC that we sell along the way, and it seems to me that one of the more healthy ways to think about your BTC stash is that you may well not be able to buy them back if you do end up selling some of them along the way, and if you are able to buy some back, then that is a good thing, but if you are in a kind of BTC accumulation stage, then one of the best ways to accumulate BTC (if not the best) is by buying it.. not by selling it.  Bitcoin accumulation 101 (label that as a "protip" if you must).    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

hope has chance at the future earn profit with bitcoin or altcoin investment for getting new all time high price again for coins invested.
One thing about investing in crypto currency—"Bitcoin," to be precise— As long as you have a strong holding decision, one day you will actually hit your target. Everyone has their own ATH. Bitcoin in general has hit its ATH, which it could also break anytime soon or later in the future. I never can tell, but one thing is certain: as long as you continue hodling and don't panic sell, you will actually experience your own ATH with your eyes and take profit.

Mostly, I agree with this point.. while at the same time, recognizing/appreciating that nothing is guaranteed.. while at the same time, bitcoin is likely amongst the best (if not the best) asymmetrical bet that any of us is able to make.. as long as we recognize and appreciate the matter and at the same time, do not overly leverage (or gamble) in order to become overly greedy by the fact that we have such information that the overwhelming population seems to not realize.

Financial freedom will be achieved if the investment can be maintained and run well so as to generate lots of profits. I have achieved many price targets. for now just waiting for the new ATH to be reached.
To me, financial freedom is easily achievable when one has a diversified investment portfolio. That's not just putting all your assets into one thing; we should have different sources of income to reduce the level of loss that could be incurred at a time and also reduce the amount of pressure you put on each of them.

For me, financial freedom is having an ability to live within our means and have a decently large cashflow cushion that we do not necessarily need to become worried about short term changes in the world that are inevitable... and sometimes violent and disproportionate in the various ways that they impact a lot of normies, including everyone even if we might try to distance ourselves from such worldly unfairnesses, we likely know people who are unfairly and ongoingly impacted by such ongoing injustices.

1) Self-Custody is a right.  There is no such thing as "non-custodial" or "un-hosted."  2) ESG, KYC & AML are attack-vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.  3) How much alt (shit)coin diversification is necessary? if you are into Bitcoin, then 0%......if you cannot control your gambling, then perhaps limit your alt(shit)coin exposure to less than 10% of your bitcoin size...Put BTC here: bc1q49wt0ddnj07wzzp6z7affw9ven7fztyhevqu9k
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May 21, 2023, 05:57:25 PM
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Are you still there and holding your bitcoins? What happened to your life after 10 years in bitcoin? Is there any changes?

I am using bitcoin for transactions and thus I do not hold a lot. I get payments in crypto and use it to pay for services which buy. Most of the services like hosting which I used to buy with paypal earlier now I do with crypto.
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many of us invested almost ten years in Bitcoin but some urgent need made them have to sell investment assets early and loss opportunity with huge profit earn.

Urgent needs should not be a reason to justify our inability to hold for long. We all run into urgent needs in one way or another, and these needs are to some point unavoidable, but we should also note that before we make any form of investment, those investments should not just be our only means of survival; that is to say, we should always have other means of earning. If we are to experience some kind of urgent need that requires us to sell off our holdings, that's fine, but what then stops us from buying those holdings back when we earn from our normal pay jobs? If one is actually determined to buy and hold Bitcoin, selling it off doesn't stop you from buying it back again when you get your hands on cash later.
Life is rather full of surprises and its nice to actually hear someone actually saying some truth about holding your coins. Like I said life is full of surprises and you never know what might hit you next that might require you to actually sell off some of coins which is not a bad thing I presume but this notion of selling your coins is actually seen by many members here as some kind of abomination but the truth is no matter the level of investment or savings one is into there is actually a time that can possibly require you to temper with those coins or savings as that is the whole sequence of life @constantchanges. Well for buying back after sold, I think that does count anymore because the moment sold that portion of coins is gone thats just the hard truth there and if eventually you bought back, you are actually adding to your portfolio as you did not plan ever to stop buying bitcoin so I guess that just gonna count as a new investment added. The funny part of this whole holding issue is pretty simple if we all just understand that bitcoin is actually money and money is meant to be spent and also save if we have bigger plans with it.

I have a friend who actually says he use to borrow from his own investment and that he is going to pay back but the funny thing is that he actually buys bitcoin on a monthly basis and his means of payback would actually be his monthly adding of coins to his portfolio. For me I just feel any coins touch from your investment is not a mistake as its your money and you actually have the right to use it so I don't know why people feel somehow when they use their money

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Some urgent needs cannot be predicted and this is a need that must be fulfilled immediately. selling some assets for urgent needs will save us even if selling at prices that are too cheap or don't have much profit. I experienced that several times while investing in bitcoin or altcoins. It was indeed unavoidable.
I think I've also experienced how the need becomes urgent when assets only in bitcoin are the hope but it doesn't meet a decent need and is only enough for the urgent need, with this I have changed the pattern where reserve funds must exist and choose several assets to diversify so that this will not interfere with bitcoin investment when there is a pressing need again, so it is indeed important to have a reserve fund and this must be managed as best as possible.

Starting to invest when the Bitcoin price is still cheap enough and holding it for a long period of time, gives many advantages. Until the time I got a lot of capital to meet all the needs that have been hindering my investment.
That's bitcoin investing when prices are low anything can benefit you if you hold long term, and we know that even now it's important to hold bitcoins for the next 10 years again while prices are cheap right now, when other investments have worked out and all needs have been met, so it's better to return to planting bitcoin from now on for better profits.

Financial freedom will be achieved if the investment can be maintained and run well so as to generate lots of profits. I have achieved many price targets. for now just waiting for the new ATH to be reached.
Financial freedom is that we use bitcoin without being regulated by anyone to send anywhere, but with bitcoin investment it is clear that it must be maintained at any time, waiting for ATH time is a good idea where you might be waiting for bigger profits to be achieved.

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Some urgent needs cannot be predicted and this is a need that must be fulfilled immediately. selling some assets for urgent needs will save us even if selling at prices that are too cheap or don't have much profit. I experienced that several times while investing in bitcoin or altcoins. It was indeed unavoidable.
I think I've also experienced how the need becomes urgent when assets only in bitcoin are the hope but it doesn't meet a decent need and is only enough for the urgent need, with this I have changed the pattern where reserve funds must exist and choose several assets to diversify so that this will not interfere with bitcoin investment when there is a pressing need again, so it is indeed important to have a reserve fund and this must be managed as best as possible.

There is always a time in our life where we experience urgent need of funds, while being short of fund to fill the needs, we are forced to sell anything sellable just to fill the shortage of money.  Even if you diversify if the fund of those other investments is not enough, you will still be forced to sell your Bitcoin holdings.

Starting to invest when the Bitcoin price is still cheap enough and holding it for a long period of time, gives many advantages. Until the time I got a lot of capital to meet all the needs that have been hindering my investment.
That's bitcoin investing when prices are low anything can benefit you if you hold long term, and we know that even now it's important to hold bitcoins for the next 10 years again while prices are cheap right now, when other investments have worked out and all needs have been met, so it's better to return to planting bitcoin from now on for better profits.

If we are sure that Bitcoin is the most profitable venture, why divert our money away from it? Isn't it nice to maximize the profit? 

Financial freedom will be achieved if the investment can be maintained and run well so as to generate lots of profits. I have achieved many price targets. for now just waiting for the new ATH to be reached.
Financial freedom is that we use bitcoin without being regulated by anyone to send anywhere, but with bitcoin investment it is clear that it must be maintained at any time, waiting for ATH time is a good idea where you might be waiting for bigger profits to be achieved.

Financial freedom in a standard context is the state where we don't have to worry about funds in our future endeavors while financial freedom in a Bitcoin context is the freedom to do transactions or transfers without the need of intermediaries.  In here I think we are talking about financial freedom in the standard context.

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May 21, 2023, 08:10:43 PM
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I am unable to predict how my life will be in ten years under the bitcoin system. But during the time I've known bitcoin, I can say that my life has been wonderful and that I can be grateful for my dealings with it because it has never disappointed or let me down in terms of my hope that it would one day bring about the financial breakthrough that the world needs at this point in the current economic crisis.

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Are you still there and holding your bitcoins? What happened to your life after 10 years in bitcoin? Is there any changes?
I am using bitcoin for transactions and thus I do not hold a lot. I get payments in crypto and use it to pay for services which buy. Most of the services like hosting which I used to buy with paypal earlier now I do with crypto.

Your post is not really saying much of anything calonpa.

Again we are talking about bitcoin in this thread, not crypto.. whatever the fuck you might mean by "crypto."

Currently, bitcoin is not necessarily the best way to transact or to do payments, even though there are a variety of ways in which bitcoin might be superior as a payment method, it may not be a great way to transact for a lot of the various ways that people might want to transact, including questions regarding towards how many people are ready, willing and able to receive it.. while at the same time, lightning network is coming along but still likely is needing a lot more people using it in order to really become practical in terms of various ways that we might make payments or perform transactions.. whether in person or even over the net..  and there may well be some kinds of cases in which it might be good to transact in bitcoin... especially, if we might be considering various "unstoppable" ways that people might want to transact or even wanting to get out of the habit of transacting with various traceable payment methods.. which surely a lot of the tools are still being developed or have a long way to come in various bitcoin circles.. including perhaps a pretty large number of people who are not even getting into bitcoin, so then they may well give you a blank stare (if not a hostile response) if you ask them if they will accept a bitcoin payment or if they would pay you in bitcoin.

this notion of selling your coins is actually seen by many members here as some kind of abomination but the truth is no matter the level of investment or savings one is into there is actually a time that can possibly require you to temper with those coins or savings as that is the whole sequence of life @constantchanges.

You can do whatever you like in terms of selling your coins, but if you are being forced to sell your coins at a time that is not of your choosing, and if you are selling below your purchase price, it is likely a sign of poor financial management and poor foresight..

You can rationalize all that you like regarding various emergencies that might happen.. or to blame others for judging you because you lost money when you sold a lot of your bitcoin because you failed to properly plan or to engage an appropriate and meaningful buying strategy... and perhaps buying too many.. that you could not afford.

Well for buying back after sold, I think that does count anymore because the moment sold that portion of coins is gone thats just the hard truth there and if eventually you bought back, you are actually adding to your portfolio as you did not plan ever to stop buying bitcoin so I guess that just gonna count as a new investment added.

yes.. you could count it as a new investment.. so maybe you had a loss on one angle and a new investment on another angle.  Some of the "creative" ways of accounting are fair, and some of them may well be a kind of rationalizing mistakes that were made.

I am not even suggesting that mistakes should not be made, and it is quite likely that a lot of us will make a lot of mistakes in our bitcoin journey, if we have not already made a lot of mistakes, and so it is mostly up to us regarding how we might consider framing our own BTC portfolio management or our accumulation strategy or even whether we calculate in terms of dollars or bitcoin or some other way of measuring that might allow us to manage our BTC holdings and/or other investments in ways that are fitting to our own particulars (psychology and finances).

The funny part of this whole holding issue is pretty simple if we all just understand that bitcoin is actually money and money is meant to be spent and also save if we have bigger plans with it.

The last time I checked bitcoin is more than just money.

But, hey you can frame it however you like and if it works for you, then so be it, but if you are trying to criticize holders, then it sounds like you are generalizing way too much... and maybe you need to particularize your supposed criticism (to the extent that any really exists) a wee bit moar better.

I have a friend who actually says he use to borrow from his own investment and that he is going to pay back but the funny thing is that he actually buys bitcoin on a monthly basis and his means of payback would actually be his monthly adding of coins to his portfolio. For me I just feel any coins touch from your investment is not a mistake as its your money and you actually have the right to use it so I don't know why people feel somehow when they use their money

You do understand that there are a variety of ways in which people might engage in accounting, and some guys/gals might be measuring different things than you?

Using bitcoin as a means of payment is one aspect of bitcoin, but it may not be necessary or correct for certain people depending on where they are at in their bitcoin journey including various geographical (jurisdictional) considerations that bitcoin hodlers might have.  Another thing that tends to be worthy of consideration is that even though some people may not really understand Gresham's law, they still might be attempting to figure out the extent to which they might choose to spend one money (asset) versus another based on Gresham's law considerations.

For sure, there is some validity to what seems to be one of your criticisms of bitcoin in terms of some of the reluctancy to use aspects of bitcoin, and surely there can seem to be a bit of a chicken and egg problem in regards to the extent to which payment methods and routes will be developed when hardly anyone seems to be spending their bitcoin, yet I doubt that bitcoin's investment case is completely weakened by a lot of the reluctant to spend aspects that comes from bitcoin HODLers, and bitcoin continues to grow and its networks continue to grow, and bitcoin seems to be one of the best of places to keep a decent amount of your value, even if 99% of stores are still ongoingly reluctant to take it because it may well continue to seem that bitcoiners are not spending their cornz.

Some urgent needs cannot be predicted and this is a need that must be fulfilled immediately. selling some assets for urgent needs will save us even if selling at prices that are too cheap or don't have much profit. I experienced that several times while investing in bitcoin or altcoins. It was indeed unavoidable.
I think I've also experienced how the need becomes urgent when assets only in bitcoin are the hope but it doesn't meet a decent need and is only enough for the urgent need, with this I have changed the pattern where reserve funds must exist and choose several assets to diversify so that this will not interfere with bitcoin investment when there is a pressing need again, so it is indeed important to have a reserve fund and this must be managed as best as possible.

There is always a time in our life where we experience urgent need of funds, while being short of fund to fill the needs, we are forced to sell anything sellable just to fill the shortage of money.  Even if you diversify if the fund of those other investments is not enough, you will still be forced to sell your Bitcoin holdings.

Yes.. of course, there may be times in which any of us could be forced to sell some or all of our bitcoin, but it seems to be that there are a lot of ways to minimize or even to avoid such circumstances by sufficiently/adequately preparing, including preparing for extremes.

If you fail/refuse to adequately prepare for extremes, and then you are having emergencies every year or every couple of years, that likely reflects more upon your poor financial (and perhaps psychological) management skills rather than the fact that emergencies do end up happening for the vast majority of people from time to time... but if they are happening all the time.. some reflection and adjustments may well be needed (and perhaps urgently and drastically needed.. like a slap in the face   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy).

Starting to invest when the Bitcoin price is still cheap enough and holding it for a long period of time, gives many advantages. Until the time I got a lot of capital to meet all the needs that have been hindering my investment.
That's bitcoin investing when prices are low anything can benefit you if you hold long term, and we know that even now it's important to hold bitcoins for the next 10 years again while prices are cheap right now, when other investments have worked out and all needs have been met, so it's better to return to planting bitcoin from now on for better profits.
If we are sure that Bitcoin is the most profitable venture, why divert our money away from it? Isn't it nice to maximize the profit?  

It's nice not to over do it.

It's nice to not be greedy.

It's nice to know that since bitcoin remains such an asymmetric bet to the upside (if not the best that any of us will ever see) that we do not need to invest a lot or even to overly invest in order to potentially profit stupendously, or even to get rich as fuck from merely employing reasonable, prudent and perhaps aggressive approaches that do not devolve into overly aggressiveness that causes us to reck our lil selfies along the way.  That is part of the definition of an asymmetric bet.. you don't necessarily need to invest a lot in order to have the potential of profiting a lot but it is not going to do you a whole hell of a lot of good if you end up recking yourself in the process because you got overly greedy when you could have been rich as fuck, you got greedy and stayed poor (or at least way less rich than you could have had been if you had taken a more prudent, patient and humble path to your BTC accumulation path and your BTC portfolio maintenance path that should attempt to ongoingly preserve a decent amount of the principle)

Financial freedom will be achieved if the investment can be maintained and run well so as to generate lots of profits. I have achieved many price targets. for now just waiting for the new ATH to be reached.
Financial freedom is that we use bitcoin without being regulated by anyone to send anywhere, but with bitcoin investment it is clear that it must be maintained at any time, waiting for ATH time is a good idea where you might be waiting for bigger profits to be achieved.
Financial freedom in a standard context is the state where we don't have to worry about funds in our future endeavors while financial freedom in a Bitcoin context is the freedom to do transactions or transfers without the need of intermediaries.  In here I think we are talking about financial freedom in the standard context.

Why not both?  Why not define financial freedom however you want?  why not tailor your own ways of attempting to achieve financial freedom within your own meaning of the concept, and hope that you do not screw it up too much along the way... and that you are actually able to achieve goals that you set for yourself based on your own particulars?

I am unable to predict how my life will be in ten years under the bitcoin system. But during the time I've known bitcoin, I can say that my life has been wonderful and that I can be grateful for my dealings with it because it has never disappointed or let me down in terms of my hope that it would one day bring about the financial breakthrough that the world needs at this point in the current economic crisis.

That's about as vague and meaningless of a statement as anyone can make... yeah whatever, you feel better about bitcoin and you believe that bitcoin is great.. so what?  Are you really saying anything about any particulars of your own journey in terms of where you came from in connection with bitcoin and/or what your current practices might be in order to prepare yourself for the future in terms of bitcoin, such as the next 10 years?  Doesn't seem like it.  But, hey.. you do you.

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May 22, 2023, 02:59:06 PM
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So for you, if you ONLY have 1 year (or a few years) in bitcoin, you have a long journey ahead of you in terms of putting your own resolution to the test.. your resolution in terms of how you are going to accumulate BTC and how you are going to maintain your BTC holdings as compared/contrasted to other places you could place your value.... including your finances, time and energies.
Yeah I have a very long way to go and that's why most times I feel bad when I can't buy at every Instance I get a nice point to buy and I guess this was also one of the reasons most people didn't grab most of the opportunities bitcoin  had to offer.
I basically  don't have any hodlings now which made me realize that even people who missed out when bitcoin price was very low didn't do so intentionally, and some of them wished they could  buy but maybe didn't have the money to buy.

I had a plan already to use some of my campaign  rewards to invest for a longer time and I'm hoping to smile at the end.
Thanks for the advice sir.

What shall it profit us to regret about not investing in bitcoin due to one reason or the other. In life there is what could be regarded as missed opportunity and that means it is a lesson for readiness incase another opportunity will present itself. Many people have criticized themselves for not being early adopters of bitcoin, they believe that those who bought in then are the only ones that have made profit in bitcoin but they simply didn't understand the bitcoin technology, bear/bull and the investment potential of bitcoin.

@Obari, you have said you are planning to invest your campaign rewards for a long time and that is a good plan, that is another opportunity presented to you because in a year or two from now if you can you will check the btc value you are selling out this year (2023) and you compare the value in 2025 or 2027, it will not be the same in value. You will realize in your wallet record that the value then would be higher but then you had already used it. So if you keep some today, it will serve as asset invested in the future. Like  -Dr. Martin Luther King Jr said,
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Life is rather full of surprises and its nice to actually hear someone actually saying some truth about holding your coins. Like I said life is full of surprises and you never know what might hit you next that might require you to actually sell off some of coins which is not a bad thing I presume but this notion of selling your coins is actually seen by many members here as some kind of abomination but the truth is no matter the level of investment or savings one is into there is actually a time that can possibly require you to temper with those coins or savings as that is the whole sequence of life.
Even though it is possible for such things to happen, of course we must remember that when we are and want to sell, it is clearly still very permissible. It's just that we must know that the conditions for selling must clearly be more than what we bought before. I will still emphasize like that because indeed our goal to invest is certainly about profit and why sell when we are still losing and just throwing away what you have.
On the other hand, this is the importance of financial management isn't it? because of course we realize that Investment is only a small portion of the money we have or we set aside and that's what we should still emphasize because regardless of anything we still have to save unexpected funds as one of the conditions to minimize events that are not really expected. and when it happens even though we don't expect it, but we still have money that can be allocated to patch or minimize it so that we don't interfere with the investment we do, especially if it hasn't met the desired target.

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