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December 03, 2020, 01:17:54 AM
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sorry to fud but things are not looking good and we got to be realistic
i guess we usa dollar falling means also the war
usa possible problems: 1 if fed printing more money it making dollar devalued. 2. if they dont print the economy will be going down and then the dollar.

so what is the realistic escape plan to save the usa dollar? need to be honest cant make a illusions or dreams my vision of 2021 are like venzuela the most of the world.

only thing what i dont know are....if fiat currency value are somehow connected with real life productvity...then where does the crypto value come from ? so far cryppto value are not conncted with really real life values and productivity becouse so far the crypto value are determined and counted of the fiat currency value....
if the whole fiat based currency will be affected coused of big economic chaos...then even we want to use crypto how it will be having value ?




now id like to hear comments from people who got some economic degrees
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December 03, 2020, 08:51:06 AM
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Things are just being exaggerated. Indeed there is a problem right now regarding USD but keep in mind that we are talking about a strong currency. Economic chaos? We're far from that. Economies are suffering at this moment but if you will open your eyes, there are signs of recovery and that's the most important thing to see. USD along with other fiat will exist in world market simply because it is being used in daily transactions.
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December 03, 2020, 11:06:42 AM
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Things are just being exaggerated. Indeed there is a problem right now regarding USD but keep in mind that we are talking about a strong currency. Economic chaos? We're far from that. Economies are suffering at this moment but if you will open your eyes, there are signs of recovery and that's the most important thing to see. USD along with other fiat will exist in world market simply because it is being used in daily transactions.



The trick might be to save dollar is Trading Deal with china.
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December 03, 2020, 02:05:09 PM
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The trick might be to save dollar is Trading Deal with china.

In the world of economics, I disagree with anything that China says about sinking dollars. but if China is really going to offer a much better deal than the current crisis it faces for US identity as a financial superpower. I guess what's wrong with opening your arms wide for China.

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December 03, 2020, 02:29:16 PM
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Things are just being exaggerated. Indeed there is a problem right now regarding USD but keep in mind that we are talking about a strong currency. Economic chaos? We're far from that. Economies are suffering at this moment but if you will open your eyes, there are signs of recovery and that's the most important thing to see. USD along with other fiat will exist in world market simply because it is being used in daily transactions.

I think one way you can know recovery and economy that is growing is through the currency because it reflects on it as production and export becomes the guide to know. Right now, the US dollar is weak and it has been this week since 5 months ago and the time of the election. I think this may go on until the new president start his office .
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December 03, 2020, 03:46:13 PM
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You can find out on google whether the US economy will collapse when printing more money.  I have already written a post that US dollars are very special, which requires US dollars not only for US citizens but also the world because international transactions still use US dollars.  for those of you who live in the US, don't worry too much about the FED which plans to print more money because the scenario that will happen is that the US economy will rise because of it (printing more money)..


Countries such as the US & Aussie (CMIIW) are free to print money during a recession because their currencies are used for international transactions, but printing money when a recession will be very dangerous if carried out by countries such as Venezuela, Iran, Indonesia, and several others because their currency does not have the power as used for international transactions (export/import & oil) These countries will only make their countries hyperinflation and then devaluation of their currencies..


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December 03, 2020, 05:02:48 PM
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sorry to fud but things are not looking good and we got to be realistic
i guess we usa dollar falling means also the war
usa possible problems: 1 if fed printing more money it making dollar devalued. 2. if they dont print the economy will be going down and then the dollar.

so what is the realistic escape plan to save the usa dollar? need to be honest cant make a illusions or dreams my vision of 2021 are like venzuela the most of the world.

only thing what i dont know are....if fiat currency value are somehow connected with real life productvity...then where does the crypto value come from ? so far cryppto value are not conncted with really real life values and productivity becouse so far the crypto value are determined and counted of the fiat currency value....
if the whole fiat based currency will be affected coused of big economic chaos...then even we want to use crypto how it will be having value ?




now id like to hear comments from people who got some economic degrees

More a long people waiting for the replace of USD. Because dollar determined the price of most of fiat. Most of developing country currency was struggle to competite the US dollar.The development of the developing country was further reduced by the value of US dollar.So many people from developing country waited fpr the replacement of dollar.

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December 03, 2020, 05:20:38 PM
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You a bit delusional if you think things like "2021 for final year for usa dollar". The dollar will be around for longer than any of us will be alive and is likely to remain the reserve currency of the world for a very long time as well. While Bitcoin is going strong and I hope it continues, it is still only a tiny fraction of the whole global population that have a daily interaction with this cryptocurrency. Every currency is just a store of value which people may be willing to trade for time or goods - that still applies to Bitcoin.

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December 03, 2020, 05:44:01 PM
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only thing what i dont know are....if fiat currency value are somehow connected with real life productvity...then where does the crypto value come from ? so far cryppto value are not conncted with really real life values and productivity becouse so far the crypto value are determined and counted of the fiat currency value....
if the whole fiat based currency will be affected coused of big economic chaos...then even we want to use crypto how it will be having value ?

now id like to hear comments from people who got some economic degrees

I studied Economics at university, but with a more financial background rather than macro economics. The outlook for 2021 is actually not so bad. Allmost all countries ended up in a recession in 2020 due to the pandemic, but growth rates are expected to turn postive again. The pandemic is likely being contained with the vaccines and it seems that governments prepared their hardest hit sectors for the second wave of lockdowns. Crypto currencies are definitely a good way to store value outside of the FIAT system. But to expect the USD to end in 2021 is a bit extreme in my opinion.
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December 03, 2020, 06:18:48 PM
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Things are just being exaggerated. Indeed there is a problem right now regarding USD but keep in mind that we are talking about a strong currency. Economic chaos? We're far from that. Economies are suffering at this moment but if you will open your eyes, there are signs of recovery and that's the most important thing to see. USD along with other fiat will exist in world market simply because it is being used in daily transactions.



The trick might be to save dollar is Trading Deal with china.

I don't think they will open any business in China even in trading these two countries are mortal enemies . Instead of your suggestion they will make other solution to make the dollar powerful again . But for now they need to focus first in the inner problem which is the covid problem in their estate. the infected and dying are high in this country, they need to solve it first before thinking their currency if they cannot solve that problem usd value is useless .

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December 03, 2020, 06:30:10 PM
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only thing what i dont know are....if fiat currency value are somehow connected with real life productvity...then where does the crypto value come from ? so far cryppto value are not conncted with really real life values and productivity becouse so far the crypto value are determined and counted of the fiat currency value....
if the whole fiat based currency will be affected coused of big economic chaos...then even we want to use crypto how it will be having value ?

now id like to hear comments from people who got some economic degrees

I studied Economics at university, but with a more financial background rather than macro economics. The outlook for 2021 is actually not so bad. Allmost all countries ended up in a recession in 2020 due to the pandemic, but growth rates are expected to turn postive again. The pandemic is likely being contained with the vaccines and it seems that governments prepared their hardest hit sectors for the second wave of lockdowns. Crypto currencies are definitely a good way to store value outside of the FIAT system. But to expect the USD to end in 2021 is a bit extreme in my opinion.
I agree with what you have said, during the pandemic period, most of the countries have experienced economic decline, so vaccines, which are everyone's hope, have come to the agenda, of course, I think that they have an effect on their choices.
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December 03, 2020, 06:31:23 PM
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The trick might be to save dollar is Trading Deal with china.
In the world of economics, I disagree with anything that China says about sinking dollars. but if China is really going to offer a much better deal than the current crisis it faces for US identity as a financial superpower. I guess what's wrong with opening your arms wide for China.

exactly what is wrong with trading deals with China. they are ahead of the economy even in digital currencies.

but that might not be the case for US. relying on the old ways still works and war has always been good for its economy. a single war can finance its entire population, and sending unemployed citizens to a battlefield will make them employed. when Biden sits, we'll see what his plan is.

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December 03, 2020, 07:14:34 PM
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Do not expect that the economic situation will worsen much, because in light of a pandemic that imposed interventions to reform the economy, and thus China and Russia do not carry out sabotage activities, the price of gold will not change above the $ 2,200 barrier.

A lot of money has been printed, but we need people continue to spend and move the wheel of the economy.
Enough printing must be done without disturbing the basics of investment.
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December 03, 2020, 08:33:19 PM
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I don't have an economics degree and I think you should volunteer to apply for Biden's staff as an economic adviser. You seem to be worried at all with the economy which you shouldn't be and just mind yourself fleeing the inflation that's waiting for the impact of the more printed money.
if the whole fiat based currency will be affected coused of big economic chaos...then even we want to use crypto how it will be having value ?
There's no chaos but it's undeniable that the market experienced economic decline and that's been seen when oil has plummeted. And for bitcoin being tied its price with dollar, that's not going to be much affected. If dollar declines, bitcoin will simply go up. I think somebody has explained that already why it'll be like that.

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December 03, 2020, 08:51:51 PM
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No, the USA dollar is not on the verge of collapse and war is not inevitable. The Fed is more concerned with a total lack of inflation than inflation running above 2%.  In fact, the Fed has announced its goal over the long term is to have average inflation of 2%, and since inflation has been running below that for so long, it will necessarily have to run above that in order to reach the goal of having inflation average 2%.  If the dollar was in any trouble, inflation would be minimum double digits, and even then it wouldn't be extremely dangerous unless it was high double digits.

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December 03, 2020, 09:17:25 PM
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Do not expect that the economic situation will worsen much, because in light of a pandemic that imposed interventions to reform the economy, and thus China and Russia do not carry out sabotage activities, the price of gold will not change above the $ 2,200 barrier.

A lot of money has been printed, but we need people continue to spend and move the wheel of the economy.
Enough printing must be done without disturbing the basics of investment.
We don’t know what’s going on under the table but I hope there’ll be no more war and no more major conflicts as we all fighting to survive this pandemic. Many countries printed a lot of currencies to survive and I know even if there’s a pandemic people will spend more so for sure we can recover. The vaccine is coming, so I guess this is not the end yet as we are about to recover, let’s not think for the worst things with USD.

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December 04, 2020, 02:41:32 AM
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Yeah, the US is currently unstable because of the election fiasco, and I will wait and see till January 2021 before making such a verdict.
If the transition of power (if any) can be done smoothly without riots, 2021 will be just another boring year.

Remember that political stability is the key component of economic stability, including the exchange rate.

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December 04, 2020, 11:46:45 AM
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Indeed, us is facing economic crisis more than anyone can imagine and they are just doing the a huge amount of money printing to make everything better but they are wrong because doing that huge amount of money printing actually damaged the value of usd buy providing a huge supply and this made the market unbalanced. Unfortunately, us economic is damaged because of that. In the other hand, the most important competitor of usa, china is growing economically due to the covid. But, we must never forget that usd is one of the strongest fiat currencies. People are now looking at biden as new president to see how he is gonna mange the 2021 the save usd.

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December 04, 2020, 11:57:36 AM
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When you buy crypto you exchange it for fiat currency and because of the exchange the crypto value gave its birth in the moment of exchange but the rulings of the value of crypto is different from due to the demand and supply rule. The more crypto fiat exchanges happen the higher the value of crypto will be. Crypto is not a stable currency and it is not like you buy crypto wity one dollar over a period of time you will still get a crypto value of 1$ for it all depend on the market movement. This is why most of people buying crypto is sorting it like an investment.
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December 04, 2020, 02:54:38 PM
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I wanted to say going into war is impossible but who knows, I may be wrong but the chances is low. What do think happen when US and Iran stopped their after so many threats that happened earlier this year? Definitely, It will affect everyone. You wouldn't want to see your family lost their home, shelter, lost business,It takes years to rebuild a country after going for war, no one would like to be a victim.
Beside, US isn't the only country living on earth, if they want one, others would want peace.

Cryptocurrency is a speculative asset, it's move by the people, demand and supply and a little tide to traditional financial assets such as S&P500, US Oil since some of the investors come from that part. They sell bitcoin if traditional markets is bearish.
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