New troll narrative, "Running a full node will make you a criminal"

[Wind_FURY]

I have seen encouraging signs of interest from users like Paleus, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5295984.0

The TROLLS, whether nocoiners or big blockers, probably have seen those signs too, and have started another campaign to spread FUD and disinformation.



 

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[Carlton Banks]

I think he's talking about full nodes that mine blocks.

Maybe he will eventually figure out that the world outside the USA also exists (as the New York licensure authorities discovered after their hilarious 'BitLicence')

[AB de Royse777]

And who is this guy?
I feel sorry for his followers if he has any who follow him undoubtedly. He is sending the wrong message to them which is not good for them.

In this era of social media everyone thinks that they are something, and they know everything, they always fake. To get attention they do not even mind recording the dead body of their girlfriend in an accidental death.

@Wind_FURY, do you have the link of the tweet?

Edit: I spent last 10 to 15 minutes to find the tweet but it's not there: https://twitter.com/rohangrey/with_replies
Please post me the link if anyone has.

[mk4]

Dude doesn't make any sense. It's almost like owning a knife company and you being criminalized just because one of your customers used one of your knives to murder someone by stabbing.

[20kevin20]

The sad part is, most of these trolls' words gather more interest and audience than the facts do - moreover, they don't even realize that through trolling they may not affect only part of the community but the entire one. If the USA is contemplating banning unverified addresses, it wouldn't be a surprise if they banned anonymous nodes/mining as well. Trolls are basically giving them shitty ideas the government is stupid enough to turn them into reality at some point.

[Carlton Banks]

And who is this guy?

I heard that these people have a job titled "politician", I think it's some kind of court jester type of role, where people that own or run large predatory business enterprises (and the various hired thugs thereof) use these "politician" people like sock-puppets in a children's story show, where gullible regular people watch the theatrics in the belief that the clowns on the stage are running something called a "nation state" (it's like a village or a tribe, except without any of the personal relationships that make it function in a way that all the members can trust in)

you will have to forgive me if these details are slightly wrong, I'm largely disinterested

@Wind_FURY, do you have the link of the tweet?

Edit: I spent last 10 to 15 minutes to find the tweet but it's not there: https://twitter.com/rohangrey/with_replies
Please post me the link if anyone has.

as usual, the opponents of Bitcoin can't get their arguments in order.


this is yet another concession by the banking cartels to Bitcoin: they know they cannot conceivably stop the network, or prevent people from understanding it's value. So now they want to tell us how to run the network, these people are full of good jokes!!! The whole vibe is spectacularly desperate, in 12 years they've come up with this plan?

The internet has ultimately become the great leveller, and it is now quite clear that this has been terrifying the incumbent industry chiefs/warlords for quite some time. Bad news guys: you're pretty much finished

[Little Mouse]

Dude wants to filter the legal and illegal tx  What about not supporting govt for being illegal and other things? IF HE WOULD FOLLOW SUCH STRATEGY IN REAL LIFE, HE WOULD CERTAINLY NOT EXIST 

[Bttzed03]

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Edit: I spent last 10 to 15 minutes to find the tweet but it's not there: https://twitter.com/rohangrey/with_replies
Please post me the link if anyone has.

Most likely deleted when someone corrected him.

That particular tweet is probably related to the Stablecoin Tethering & Bank Licensing Enforcement (STABLE) Act. I think he's comparing full nodes to banks where funds are being channeled to.

I'm not sure if he's trolling but he doesn't know what he's talking about for sure.

[Obi theo]

https://twitter.com/rohangrey?s=09 that his bio,
He is a very complex person, he supports stable coins to some extent.
They statement he made spark a lot of conversation yesterday on Twitter but this statement cought my attention.
https://twitter.com/haydenzadams/status/1334375946175066114?s=19.
He is not really again block chain or bitcoin   in general, he see it as a means where illegal transaction are made ...

[AB de Royse777]

I'm not sure if he's trolling but he doesn't know what he's talking about for sure.

Clearly he does not know much about Bitcoin, its network over all cryptocurrency. I wanted to respond to him by saying that "if you do not have enough knowledge on a field then please do not make a public statement and send a wrong message to the world especially this is injustice to those people who are following you."

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Not much to add bud. You have said enough.



My understanding of social media celebrities and their followers.

[Ucy]

Well, we should prepare for something like that (in the tweet) in the future.
By the way, if a Node is global, I would probably stick to rejecting immoral (rather illegal) transactions to stay safe and without breaking the law of the country I'm running the node in (would be easier to defend this behavior in any country).   Atleast, the country will likely be the one breaking our good network rules by sending unacceptable/immoral transactions through the network.
I think a cryptocurrency network should be moving towards multi-blockchains/sidechains custom Nodes to allow users, nations, companies, etc to filter out transactions/blockchain/nodes they find unacceptable without much problems.

[ranochigo]

By the way, if a Node is global, I would probably stick to rejecting immoral (rather illegal) transactions to stay safe and without breaking the law of the country I'm running the node in (would be easier to defend this behavior in any country).   Atleast, the country will likely be the one breaking our good network rules by sending unacceptable/immoral transactions through the network.
I think a cryptocurrency network should be moving towards multi-blockchains/sidechains custom Nodes to allow users, nations, companies, etc to filter out transactions/blockchain/nodes they find unacceptable without much problems.

Censorship has no place in decentralised cryptocurrencies. You're moving towards PayPal and other fiat payment methods if you would prefer something like that.

I'm not sure about your country but I don't think there's any case to be made when you're running a node and a (presumably) illegal transaction is relayed through your node. They cannot prove with any certainty that you made the transaction. Your full node acts as an intermediary and does not process the transaction in any way. You have to accept the transaction eventually when it gets to a block. But what do I know? I'm not familiar with how the law is in the various jurisdiction.

Transaction filtering is probably one of the last thing that people want in a decentralised currency.

I think it's not very nice for people who aren't familiar with cryptos to make sweeping statements like this. It makes them look dumb, just see the Bitcoin YouTube videos from 2013s.

[Mike Mayor]

That's the most cringe-worthy uneducated thing I have heard in a long time. I hate people that think they know more about the law than a lawyer.... Like I'm sorry did you study for 10 years?

That's like saying. "If you don't want to found processing illegal transactions then don't use cash" because that cash more than likely was used to buy drugs at some point so I guess that makes you a criminal.
We all criminals. Money laundering, hitman hiring, drug buying criminals.  

[verita1]

And who is this guy?
I feel sorry for his followers if he has any who follow him undoubtedly. He is sending the wrong message to them which is not good for them.

In this era of social media everyone thinks that they are something, and they know everything, they always fake. To get attention they do not even mind recording the dead body of their girlfriend in an accidental death.

@Wind_FURY, do you have the link of the tweet?

Edit: I spent last 10 to 15 minutes to find the tweet but it's not there: https://twitter.com/rohangrey/with_replies
Please post me the link if anyone has.

This is a tweet from Pierre Rochard a Bitcoin advocate in response to Rohan Grey's comment.

https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/1334541672886177793?s=19

That comment sparked controversy in the crypto community on Twitter. In response the creator of Uniswap also commented. It is appropriate to know how those who support the laws think.

https://twitter.com/rohangrey/status/1334376485830893576?s=19

Rohan Gray recently posted this tweet.

I'm thrilled to share the announcement of @ RashidaTlaib's new "Stablecoin Tethering & Bank Licensing Enforcement (STABLE) Act", (#STABLEAct) cosponsored by @ChuyForCongress & Chair of the House Financial Services Committee's Fintech Task Force, @RepLynch.

https://twitter.com/rohangrey/status/1334258771204325378?s=19

[Artemis3]

If you are going to buy that narrative, which has the hidden intention to try and "control" Bitcoin; you might as well run your nodes as hidden service within TOR. There are many of those by the way.

In the end, the old minded people want to impose their obsolete rules to Bitcoin. Indeed, this is no different than granting that wish certain CEO of certain exchange wanted of reverting blockchain transactions (just because he got some money stolen).

Bitcoin will work the same for all or for nobody. If you have a problem with criminals, go prosecute them and leave Bitcoin alone. The State or nobody else has any business discriminating Bitcoin transactions. You should boycott anyone promoting such things.

[pixie85]

Dude wants to filter the legal and illegal tx   What about not supporting govt for being illegal and other things? IF HE WOULD FOLLOW SUCH STRATEGY IN REAL LIFE, HE WOULD CERTAINLY NOT EXIST  

Yes, this is good. How am I as a user know which transaction is legal and which is illegal? Even if we were able to decide and filter the transactions who would we do it?

Talk about some completely normal things like weed. Someone buys weed in the US and I'm in a country where weed is legal. How should I know if I should or should not process it? Maybe he has a license to buy medical weed or maybe he does not. Maybe he's in a state where it's legal, maybe he's not.

You'd have to be insane to try to find a node operator or a miner located somewhere in another part of the world because his automated software processed a transaction.

[dothebeats]

That's just pathetic. How would a node or even miners know that the transaction that they co-process are part of some shitty scam or a shady dealing that went south quick? They're just not giving so much sense or thought on these kinds of narrative that they want to get out there. Another form of fear-mongering has come and plagued bitcoin and I just hope to god that people won't buy this thing that is an obvious attack to bitcoin.

By going with that narrative, I guess banks and the government should be held liable to terrorism since they issue the money that is circulating around the economy, in which some % of those are being used to buy weapons in the black market for terrorism.

[OgNasty]

Dude doesn't make any sense. It's almost like owning a knife company and you being criminalized just because one of your customers used one of your knives to murder someone by stabbing.

Ya, or like being criminalized for building an online marketplace where users decide to sell illegal substances.  Wait a minute...

#FreeRoss

[Stedsm]

Maybe he missed the train and is scared to buy BTC at its nearly ATH? I can't imagine how people try to demotivate others by spreading shit out of their mouth around the corner and what's do funny, they even think that they'll succeed in their plan and get away with it. Pretty dumbass doesn't even know that the so-called transactions are 100% transparent and companies like chainalysis are such big agency names who are completely able to trace any address they're allocated. And by saying all that, does he mean that all those who mined BTC since 2010 are criminals? Is Satoshi Nakamoto a criminal? I don't believe so. The fact is, people are to made aware of both the sides of the coin before they decide whether his shit is real or our truth.

[hatshepsut93]

This isn't a new narrative, this has been thrown against Bitcoin ever since some illegal content was discovered embedded in some blocks. And later Craig Wright become big on "Bitcoin is used by criminals".

I don't see this FUD being any more widespread these days than any other FUD, lately with Bitcoin getting close to the ATH, all sorts of FUD topics have started to emerge again, and the moderators of this forum are doing pretty poor job at removing it, so trolls are free to spam a few topics every day.

Maybe some bears really want to buy cheaper coins, or maybe nocoiners and shitcoiners are really mad about Bitcoin's price, either way people should be skeptical towards any sensational negative claims, especially if they come from clearly sockpuppet accounts.