Giving merit to newbies for good replies

[hatshepsut93]

I have 56 sMerit, which I would like to use to help good newbies rank up faster. So, here are the rules:

1. You must be of Newbie rank
2. You can nominate only one of your posts
3. The post must be made before my topic was created
4. You must explain why your post deserves merit and how much merit
5. You can only nominate replies - opening posts are not allowed

My goal is to show newbies that making good replies on existing topics is more important to this forum than creating new topics.

[CryptocurencyKing]

This is a good one. Meriting based on replies would by far create in the minds of users the importance of comments than posts and possibly solve the issue of most users creating needless thread just for the sake of getting merits or having their users stay on the first page of the boards. It's an illusion and most persons or users don't realize that yet. Replies could be constructive too and I've seen lots of constructive replies get by far more merits than many average posts but then,
Are newbies capable of constructive replies?
Well, the replies that would precede this thread would be the eye opener on my question. Watching!

[friends1980]

As noble as you're idea may be - and I really do believe it is -, it's probably not the best one. I've seen a lot of newbies recently who've gotten Merits for a few posts here and there, where the Meriter hadn't really looked any deeper in the newbie's post history. As soon as these guys reach Jr. or Member level, they join a campaign, at which point they start flooding the forum with spam. I don't have to tell you that many of them are here for one reason only: bounties.

I'd warmly recommend you to do at least a minimal quick check of the poster's history to make sure it's not a complete shitposting spammer who had one lucky shot. Otherwise, you might be unwillingly sponsoring a (future) spammer.

Just my 2 cents. Once again, I think your idea is noble, and you're completely free to do whatever you want to with your well-deserved sMerits.

[mrob82]

I have 56 sMerit, which I would like to use to help good newbies rank up faster. So, here are the rules:

1. You must be of Newbie rank
2. You can nominate only one of your posts
3. The post must be made before my topic was created
4. You must explain why your post deserves merit and how much merit
5. You can only nominate replies - opening posts are not allowed

My goal is to show newbies that making good replies on existing topics is more important to this forum than creating new topics.

i will go for it.  The post below is a reply that I made (not sure how you want this, but will put the post and link the post below).  I expanded on the initial individual's post and gave specific examples as to what problems could occur when using Paypal as a way to buy/store/trade BTC.  In turn, I followed up and started my own thread with an article which back up my thesis (lol) on why BTC and Paypal as currently correlated will function improperly for the user.  

I'm having an issue with number 4.  Is it possible to have you decide the appropriate amount of merit.  Being a newbie, I'm still gauging what I think is normal/fair based on replies and new threads within the forum.  I don't want to seem either greedy or nonchalant.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285656.20

Code:

Re: A look at PayPal’s TOS and What it Means for Users
December 02, 2020, 02:26:00 PM
Merited by o_e_l_e_o (2)	    +Merit  #27
Quote from: Darker45 on October 31, 2020, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: Csmiami on October 31, 2020, 11:32:10 AM
What could go wrong?

Everything. So I don't think even brand new users should make use of the service at this current state. Well, if out of mere curiosity and without really any intention to even get informed or understand the basics of Bitcoin, some newbies want to buy a very small amount, let them proceed. But if they are going to convert a large amount of money into Bitcoin, they should know better than just do it in Paypal. A little understanding of Bitcoin would probably strongly suggest them not to make Bitcoin purchases in Paypal.

I think this is going to be my first rant on the board, lol.  You have no idea how correct you are, everything can go wrong.  Paypal is almost a constant with the majority of the homes in the US.  Over the past several years, look at the different adoptions that have occurred within Paypal.

1.  Pay state taxes
2.  Tax forms printed from Paypal's database
3.  If you want to purchase crypto in Payapl, must verify KYC

Just these two items alone allows government information control.  Too many people are worried about the seizure of "coins," but there needs to be as much if not more concern about the simple gathering of information.  I wouldn't touch buying crypto in Paypal with a 10 foot pole.  In order for a government to control a product, service, type of currency - they have to track it first.

[The-None-Above-All]

As noble as you're idea may be - and I really do believe it is -, it's probably not the best one. I've seen a lot of newbies recently who've gotten Merits for a few posts here and there, where the Meriter hadn't really looked any deeper in the newbie's post history. As soon as these guys reach Jr. or Member level, they join a campaign, at which point they start flooding the forum with spam. I don't have to tell you that many of them are here for one reason only: bounties.

I'd warmly recommend you to do at least a minimal quick check of the poster's history to make sure it's not a complete shitposting spammer who had one lucky shot. Otherwise, you might be unwillingly sponsoring a (future) spammer.

Very true. Always check post history! Especially with Newbies, but not only! Every experienced user should know this.

Also, it is usually unwise to send more than 1 merit at a time to Newbie - it is risky. Newbie does not have much history for you to judge. Merit thresholds for ranking up are way too low. Spammer needs only a little bit of merit for reaching Member or Full Member, way too easy - then he can make money by filling the forum with trash. Only send >1 merit per post to Newbie if it very much looks like not a spammer.

Well - I will try this.

My best posts are, in my opinion, my "artistic" posts. But maybe not to everyone's taste.

I think so far, my best post of general interest was the post that earned the very first merit for my account. However, I do not want to ask for any merit for it. I am proud it got 2 merits from 2 different people, only because it is a good post - not because of asking for anything. Please don't ruin it.

hatshepsut93, you participated in that topic. I replied to you several times there. Is it not wrong to ask you to consider meriting a post you saw, which you did not already merit? Isn't merit system working best when you see good post in the course of discussion, and you send it merit because you think it is good?

For same reason - I will not ask you to consider this post and this post in the same topic - two more of my best, both of which received merit from people who just thought they were good.

I think that this post deserves at least 50 merits - for reason that it shows I am not trying to rank up to spam the forum:

Re: How you can earn money from bitcointalk.org?

WHY THERE IS SPAM, ILLUSTRATED

This gets 0 merit, and people argue against it, and arguments against it get merit from big name accounts:

Bounty campaign is not worth it, only wasting your time with worthless coins, avoid it.

Keep in mind, signature campaign is only a bonus from your dedication to forum... similar like people give merit (bonus) on a high quality post.

It is correct.

If you're ONLY here, or MAINLY here for signature campaign, then you should go away. You are spammer.

Everybody should stay away from the shitcoin bounties.

OP gets 9 merit by focusing users on rank and merit, and sending them to chase shitcoin bounties, spam campaigns, and scams:

Signature campaign:
You can earn money weekly by participating in the signature campaign. However, most signature campaigns do not accept low rank profile. That's why you need to rank up your profile. If you want to rank up the profile, you have to earn merit.
You can visit the following thread to know more about this....
Merit & new rank requirements

Bounty campaign:
You can earn some money by participating in the bounty campaign. But for this you have to be very patient. Because after a bounty campaign for a certain period of time, the payment is too late and low. Some campaigns will not pay you. But for a low rank profile, bounty can be a good way to make money.
You can visit the following thread to know more about this...
Bounties (Altcoins) <<<EDITOR NOTE: worst spam source, all users there should be banned>>>

"SHUT UP AND EAT YOUR SPAM!"

OP is very wrong.

If good user here for discussion, then rank up and merit will happen naturally. Don't even think about how to do it! (unless, lolz, you are like me, Newbie want to post noncommercial images with no paying for Copper account... stupid restrictions only made because of spammers and other abusers! Less than 24 hours after signup, I already got 1 merit I need... this is my 14th post, next activity period starts in hour and a half... I will post images freely, starting in about two weeks from now. )

Best users are those who DO NOT CARE too much about mere status symbols = rank and merit. (Same like in the rest of life.)

I decided now I want 100 merits, so I can have avatar. AVATAR NOT FOR RENT. I want to put a censored version of fine art there, to make a point about freedom and culture. Or maybe something else... I did not decide yet.

[Obi theo]

 Basically the idea is bright not just to help rank up some one, I am a newbie and I know how I felt when I receive my very first merit in this forum, I was extremely happy with the merit, it made me motivated that one day I could go far as to be a legendary member like you of the forum...and I believe it will come to pass gradually .
 I am not posting any of my post because I feel I could be merited  no by chance but by hardwork and credibility for now maybe some other time I will post to get merits but not today .
  Good luck to everyone that get merits

[Latviand]

My goal is to show newbies that making good replies on existing topics is more important to this forum than creating new topics.

Yes, show them that having a quality and sensible reply or post will really give them the merit that they are looking for.

Don't rely on begging for someone to give you merit, don't ask for it, work for it.

So for newbies out there, feel free to show the OP that you can make a good post that he want and best of luck.

Hoping that you do your best to have a good reply so that you can have merit and rank up as soon as possible, hard-work pays off, newbies.

[NavI_027]

Props for the initiative and concern you show on the newbies especially from a member with tons of smerits. I don't want to get the spotlight from you OP but I just want you to know that I'm in . I will also give my single last smerit to a deserving newbie who will post here.

My criteria? Hmm, nothing. As long as you are polite and I can feel that you are sincere to help then you can have my smerit. I want to show you guys that you don't necessarily need to be technical all the time if you want to get one. Having a good heart is enough for me.

[Cornia]

This is a very good initiative i think.  Newbie members will now be encouraged to post a good quality post. Because I think it's harder to give a good reply to an existing topic than to create a topic. You understand this and put more emphasis on reply. Hopefully some good newbie will benefit from here.

[JTripathy]

Recently my rank reached Jr. Member. But I like to participate in this.
I'm not doing this to get merit 

Here, some of my good posts;
(1) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5274747.msg55670533#msg55670533
(2) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5287383.msg55790800#msg55790800
(3) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5296120.msg55790848#msg55790848
(4) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5298405.msg55790944#msg55790944

I know you asked for 1 post link but I think these are good so i'm showing this 

[CryptocurencyKing]

Recently my rank reached Jr. Member. But I like to participate in this.
I'm not doing this to get merit 

Here, some of my good posts;
(1) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5274747.msg55670533#msg55670533
(2) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5287383.msg55790800#msg55790800
(3) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5296120.msg55790848#msg55790848
(4) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5298405.msg55790944#msg55790944

I know you asked for 1 post link but I think these are good so i'm showing this 

And it is because of users like yourself that's why it's advised that OP considered the applicants posts history.

I'd warmly recommend you to do at least a minimal quick check of the poster's history to make sure it's not a complete shitposting spammer who had one lucky shot. Otherwise, you might be unwillingly sponsoring a (future) spammer.

Not only that your above required rank but, you've nominated far more posts than required even though you noted it. It's wrong. Seeing your activity got me curious to see why your not measuring up merit wise but, your posts are basically filled with bounty reports and proof of authentications. It might be best you look towards providing solution to your posting habits likewise other newbies and try to learn something new ad per how to improve the forum by being informative.

[ShowOff]

Nice initiative mate, but give me a little clarification on the requirement for submitting a post in this thread especially in number 4.
1. Why do they have to explain to you that their post deserve merit, can't you please judge them objectively for their post which is totally deserved ?

Little references that I found.

-snip- I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

2. When a newbie participate in this thread and they ask you to give them some merit on a post they think is quality then the request can be considered begging for merit. Beg for merit might be the reason someone has get a negative trust and their profile is also being ignored by the user.

My assumption is even though you have a good initiative but I think you can change the requirement a little bit to be simpler like just asking beginner to submit 1-5 link of their quality poss in the thread which you and the contributor will later check (if any) without having ask what reason they deserve a merit. In general, I like the way you treat beginner. Good luck mate.

[Coyster]

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I understand that you all are trying to give OP suggestions on how to make this merit giveaway easier and better, but from the looks of things, is there really any need for that, this topic has been opened for about four days now and surprisingly only two newbies have applied for the giveaway, it's pretty small and can mean a lot of things, from lack of interest, to only a handful of newbies with good and useful replies or maybe it's just that merit giveaways have lost the traction they used to have before.

Since op has quite a lot of sMerits to give (56), if there's still no interest in the coming days, he could just go in search of the newbies himself, not only newbies per se, but other ranks as well, and give out the merits to the posts he considers (as always it's subjective) constructive.

[Husna QA]

-snip- Beg for merit might be the reason someone has get a negative trust -snip-

I think negative trust is not for cases like begging merit or pure spam but intended for fraud cases in trading so that other members can be more vigilant when they want to trade with that member.

-snip-
Use-case #1 is the old trust system, but I made the descriptions on the rating types a bit more general and removed the concept of a trust score. The numbers are now "distinct positive raters / distinct neutral raters / distinct negative raters". You should give these ratings for anything which you think would impact someone's willingness to trade with the person, but you should not use trust ratings to attack a person's opinions or otherwise talk about things which would not be relevant to reasonable prospective traders.

-snip- I don't agree with using the trust system for pure spam; that's not what it was designed for.

[CaCO3]

Here is my nominated post link :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5292743.msg55668700#msg55668700

This post of mine deserves at least one merit.  Because I have tried to explain in the replay of this post how people can be in danger of using the same password everywhere without knowing it.  I advise everyone not to use the same password everywhere.  I have also tried to explain what kind of danger it can be.  Lastly I also said that high knowledge helps people in many ways, and low knowledge puts people in danger.
 So this post of mine deserves at least one merit.

[Lucius]

My goal is to show newbies that making good replies on existing topics is more important to this forum than creating new topics.

Everyone has their own way of sharing merits, but I have never been a supporter of such initiatives, but more of that natural approach when you see a good post through browsing the forum and then reward it. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, some good posts really stay buried under sometimes large amount of spam, I personally came across such users, and I was really surprised that they don't have a single merit. Personally, I would not differentiate between opening a new topic and responding to a post in an existing one - if the post is good, it doesn't matter in which context it is created.

This post of mine deserves at least one merit.
So this post of mine deserves at least one merit.

This is a bad approach that will not (in most cases) result in someone rewarding you with a merit. It is not up to you to publicly state that you deserve something, but that decision should come exclusively from other users who recognize whether some post is good or bad. Try to be natural, original and don't bother too much with whether you get merit or not for each of your posts.

[Mpamaegbu]

As noble as you're idea may be - and I really do believe it is -, it's probably not the best one. I've seen a lot of newbies recently who've gotten Merits for a few posts here and there, where the Meriter hadn't really looked any deeper in the newbie's post history. As soon as these guys reach Jr. or Member level, they join a campaign, at which point they start flooding the forum with spam. I don't have to tell you that many of them are here for one reason only: bounties.

I'd warmly recommend you to do at least a minimal quick check of the poster's history to make sure it's not a complete shitposting spammer who had one lucky shot. Otherwise, you might be unwillingly sponsoring a (future) spammer.

Just my 2 cents. Once again, I think your idea is noble, and you're completely free to do whatever you want to with your well-deserved sMerits.

Your observation is spot on. Some of these newbies just want to rank up to enable them find bounties. It's not that they're serious developing on the forum. However, some bounties don't rely on the rank but activities of the user to allow them enroll. That goes to show that most bounty managers don't give a hoot controlling spam and shit posting on the forum. All they care is to fill their spreadsheets to please their paymasters — the project teams.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Here is my nominated post link :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5292743.msg55668700#msg55668700

This post of mine deserves at least one merit.
 So this post of mine deserves at least one merit.

If we talk about the uniqueness of your message, then I don't think that the topic of creating a good password and storing it in a safe place is news for someone.
But what you try is a big plus. If you don't mind, I want to give you a little advice that you may not like, however, it is welcomed on the forum.
You need to be a little more modest. Don't demand merit as it is annoying. In your opinion, you think you created the creation, but not everyone agrees. Take a look around. Look at the topics that are being created, and you will understand that this post of yours is the most common.


OP, I admire those people who can keep and accumulate their merits for a long time to arrange similar distributions in the future.
For many, everything happens much easier, I saw a good post, I awarded.
A special search for good posts is most likely a duty of merit sources.

[hatshepsut93]

This post of mine deserves at least one merit.  Because I have tried to explain in the replay of this post how people can be in danger of using the same password everywhere without knowing it.  I advise everyone not to use the same password everywhere.  I have also tried to explain what kind of danger it can be.  Lastly I also said that high knowledge helps people in many ways, and low knowledge puts people in danger.
 So this post of mine deserves at least one merit.

Your post fails to explain how password reuse hurts users, you only make a general statement that "it helps scammers". And your advice of using uppercase letters and numbers is just misleading, those things don't improve security by as much as you'd think.

1. Why do they have to explain to you that their post deserve merit, can't you please judge them objectively for their post which is totally deserved ?

Making an explanation would encourage them to choose their posts more carefully, and it's also a chance to earn additional merit for the explanation itself, if they can demonstrate that they understand what makes a post valuable.

2. When a newbie participate in this thread and they ask you to give them some merit on a post they think is quality then the request can be considered begging for merit. Beg for merit might be the reason someone has get a negative trust and their profile is also being ignored by the user.

It's only begging if it's unsolicited. Merit giveaways/contests/etc. is a normal practice on this forum.

Personally, I would not differentiate between opening a new topic and responding to a post in an existing one - if the post is good, it doesn't matter in which context it is created.

Newbies seem to interpret "making helptful posts" as "creating guide topics", and I want to show them that you can earn merit by just participating in discussions.

[Lucius]

Newbies seem to interpret "making helptful posts" as "creating guide topics", and I want to show them that you can earn merit by just participating in discussions.

It makes sense if some really think that the only way to get merit is to open a new thread, but I personally did not get that impression. Given the conditions you set, I'm not surprised that there aren't many qualified ones - because I overlooked that when I answered the user CaCO3. The idea of someone explaining why their post needs to get merit and even number of merits can be interpreted in a completely wrong way in the sense that someone demands something and evaluates himself for a reward.