Your merit will find you!

[lovesmayfamilis]

A question arose that probably worries many here.
I want to appeal to newbies, where did you get the idea that by creating a topic, you will do something useful to the forum?
Recently, this is very striking. Each time you enter this section, one may wonder how smart our newcomers have become. They create many tutorials for beginners.
And then I ask myself, wise or cunning?
Today our newbies need everything at once. Those who have been on the forum for years understand what they need to go through to raise their rank.
Some of them decided that everyone has a responsibility to help, and the more generous this help, the sooner they will have their dream of participating in bounty campaigns or subscription campaigns come true.
I remember that such questions have already been raised. To prevent newbies from starting threads, and I understand this is somewhat unfair, but could there be some way to regulate the questions they ask?

Does this account motivate someone? What is this for?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5299618.0

Further
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5298792.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5298497.0

Another sly one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5298713.0
He wants to know about bitcoins and blah blah.
What about the forum itself? After all, to answer this question, you can rewrite the entire forum.

All this is what, beginners today figured out a good formula for themselves. You create a theme, you get the merit.
How can you limit this business? Otherwise, such topics really appear with questions like
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5299049.0

How to convey to newcomers that they will still get their merits, a good post will never go unnoticed. You don't have to be so rushed.
And you don't have to create a bunch of identical themes for that.

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[AB de Royse777]

I already had my opinion about these new strategy from newbie few days ago

I really do not like topic like this. What OP has done is: Telling good things about older members which are not always true and all these sounds cheesy as well. This is a zero value post.

That is the older members like hero and legendary and others( except the newbies who spam the forum). They always comment on a post if they have knowledge about it and suggest in a right way to the topic creator.

They do not go out from the topic and only share that information which they experienced before or learn from anywhere.

And they make the topic too much easy to understand.

I trust myself and I believe none of these are honest opinion. In 15+ days you even do not have any idea which account has what characteristics. Have you not seen high rank members to spam, have you not seen high ranked members to take on a newbie, have you not seen a high rank member to insult a low rank, have you not seen high rank members to hate each others, have you not seem personal conflicts between two members?

Don't come to such cheesy conclusion just to earn some merits. I have a feeling that you have an older account without having to earn much merit and now you started this account and trying something different. Creating or having alt account is fine in this forum but if you take this path of being cheesy then you will not go much further. Maybe one or two members will merit you but in the long run you will not have good time.

All these topics are low value and are shamelessly looking for merit.

How to convey to newcomers that they will still get their merits, a good post will never go unnoticed. You don't have to be so rushed.
And you don't have to create a bunch of identical themes for that.

They won't listen until something has been done against them. Check his topic history and the time I had my response: https://archive.vn/wip/0fHSE

[Charles-Tim]

What I have noticed could be the best is to put 'beginners and help' on ignore lists because newbies will always be newbies. I went through some of my early posts on this forum some days ago, I was able to know some mistakes I made, although that does not mean I am 100% perfect now but I was better than before. Newbies will always be newbies, experienced or ranked members will see them boring and also unprofessional in posting.

But if this needs a remedy, only moderators can give that by deleting such poor posts but they did not because they know newbies can just be unprofessional in posting.

How to convey to newcomers that they will still get their merits, a good post will never go unnoticed. You don't have to be so rushed.
And you don't have to create a bunch of identical themes for that.

This is the best advice. 100% recommended for newbies.

[Upgrade00]

How to convey to newcomers that they will still get their merits, a good post will never go unnoticed. You don't have to be so rushed.
And you don't have to create a bunch of identical themes for that.

I do not think this is lost on them; Spammers who repeatedly make such thread are not interested in putting in the effort which goes into making a good post. They do not read or use the search option and rather try to take the perceived short cut which they have seen work for a couple of other newbies.

The legitimate newbies would probably not need this advice as they would be interested in learning and understanding how the forum works and would eventually find their way around, it might happen immediately they join in, or a couple of weeks or months later.
There are just so many helpful threads and stickies for an interested user to miss.

[Cryptomint9]

They won't listen until something has been done against them. Check his topic history and the time I had my response: https://archive.vn/wip/0fHSE

I don't know why you have archived my posts and why you people think like that you are the owner or the king of this forum and you do not give the chance to others to come up. I don't know why you have this mind. I was just sharing that which I was learning from this forum. Even I didn't make a good post. And soon I will make it and you will also give me the merit.
You have just jealousy from the newcomers. Which posts you have just leave for us. All the topics has created.
Just be patient and give us time.

And one more thing which I noticed that is many members 2 or more accounts or they just give suggestion to make account on the forum. Like you can see these two links which has given in the topic also merited. But you can see these topics has nothing.

Anyways I have no friends who are on the forum. Otherwise they also suggest me how to post and they give the merits.

Thanks for archiving my posts.

The legitimate newbies would probably not need this advice as they would be interested in learning

Because they are those who have the friends of the old members. Or can say that they pay to stand.

[Findingnemo]

Beginners and Help section was one of the merit hunting section and many newbies realized it so people starte to make guides and tutorials because simply they are looking for merits but atleast the merit system is doing its job which prevents complete spams and people are trying to produce something in order to get the incentives from signature campaign.

[decodx]

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Has anyone figured something out of it? How about a translation? 

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

They won't stop if they see people merit those newbie guide topics.
Newbies - Look at the list and find answers. You don't need to create your topic

Newbie But Not Beginner
Inactive Moderators (7 days and know inactive moderators and members with good reputation)
Newbies + Bounty = Zero future
I want to become a Member (a shitposter asked, answered the interview and became a member)
Noticed something and want to share. (2 days, 5 posts and want to share)

[AB de Royse777]

I don't know why you have archived my posts and why you people think like that you are the owner or the king of this forum and you do not give the chance to others to come up. I don't know why you have this mind. I was just sharing that which I was learning from this forum. Even I didn't make a good post. And soon I will make it and you will also give me the merit.
You have just jealousy from the newcomers. Which posts you have just leave for us. All the topics has created.
Just be patient and give us time.

And one more thing which I noticed that is many members 2 or more accounts or they just give suggestion to make account on the forum. Like you can see these two links which has given in the topic also merited. But you can see these topics has nothing.

Anyways I have no friends who are on the forum. Otherwise they also suggest me how to post and they give the merits.

Thanks for archiving my posts.

I have nothing against you. In fact, I am one of the user from many who believes in newbies and always give them the benefit of the doubt. However, what you are doing is not looking right. Please do not consider us a fool.  Do not pretend, if you have nothing to post then you really do not need to.

You do not need a friend, you do not need a God Father, if you are genuinely interested in Bitcoin and the community then study bitcoin and it's network. Learn the technology, learn the concept. Onec you go deeper and deeper you will find yourself having questions and answers. Create posts which are constructive but not cheesy and boring type of merit fishing. You will find people around you.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Offended post

If you calm down and do not rush, then even from your questions it will be clear that you are interested in cryptocurrency, and not in ranks, merits, etc.
If you ask questions, it will be clear that you are interested in the difference, for example, in custody wallets or non-custodial wallets, in investments, or vice versa in trading, or even all at once.
Information about the confidentiality or security of being on the exchanges, or simply about the exchanges themselves.
Trust me, this is a very extensive forum that contains a lot of information. But, having read, for example, the message history of your account, it is easy to guess that you grab the top of the information, and, having received merit, you forget everything and stomp into the bounty company, flooding the forum with useless reports.
Nobody wants bad things for anyone, but on the contrary, bitcointalk is a very friendly forum, if you make useful things from it and don't do harmful things.

[RapTarX]

I can find one reason behind the creation of such threads. Although I don't have any data, it’s easy to speculate that the ratio of merit between post:thread is quite high. If the maximum number of merits in a thread is 100 (assume), it will be 20 for a post. That’s why newbies motivated to create new thread but; the problem is almost all the threads are unnecessary and surprisingly some of high rank member still post their.
There's nothing wrong with creating thread IMO but they should be enough informative, they should be on good discussion. Apart from that, I guess this board should be moderated heavily specially on creating threads.

[tranthidung]

I can find one reason behind the creation of such threads. Although I don't have any data, it’s easy to speculate that the ratio of merit between post:thread is quite high. If the maximum number of merits in a thread is 100 (assume), it will be 20 for a post.

I can not answered your question but some stats for you. There are 82141 topics received merits and the for those merited topics, the median of received merits is 3, interquartile range is 1 to 7. By that I meant 50% of merited topics have their receive merits range from 1 to 7. Min and max values are 1 and 61984. The max value belong to Wall Observer thread.

Code:

    variable |         N      mean        sd       p50       p25       p75       min       max
-------------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
emerit_topic |   82141.0       9.9     235.8       3.0       1.0       7.0       1.0   61984.0
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About posts received merits inside each thread, here you go:

Code:

    variable |         N      mean        sd       p50       p25       p75       min       max
-------------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      nposts |   82141.0       3.3     105.2       1.0       1.0       2.0       1.0   29399.0
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Median: 1
Interquartile range: 1 - 2
Min - max: 1 - 29399

What does it mean? 50% of merited threads have number of merited posts range from 1 to 2 (with the median is at 1). This one does not take into account how many posts are made in each thread (I only have data for merited topics and merited posts).

Top-50 most merit-earned topics month, year (2018 - 2020)

That’s why newbies motivated to create new thread but; the problem is almost all the threads are unnecessary and surprisingly some of high rank member still post their.
There's nothing wrong with creating thread IMO but they should be enough informative, they should be on good discussion. Apart from that, I guess this board should be moderated heavily specially on creating threads.

• They get motivation from merited topics and try to do the same thing.
• They do neither know Search nor how to use it effectively
• They know Search and how to use but skip all and create topics because they like to do it.

[RapTarX]

Min and max values are 1 and 61984. The max value belong to Wall Observer thread.

I didn’t mean that. I mean merit the OP (Opening Post) vs merit in replies. That would make sense why most newbie create threads. As thread/opening post receive more merits than normal replies, they tend to create more thread.

[tranthidung]

I didn’t mean that. I mean merit the OP (Opening Post) vs merit in replies. That would make sense why most newbie create threads. As thread/opening post receive more merits than normal replies, they tend to create more thread.

I don't think so.

• Quality topics help you earn more merit than quality posts. I see this point because topics are hardly to be covered by others. With posts, old posts will be covered by other posts.
• Shit topics don't hep you earn a single merit or if earn some, there will no significant difference with shit posts.
• It is general picture but for some knowledgeable users like o_e_l_e_o who does not need to create topics to earn thousand of merits

[sujonali1819]

We always know a lot of new crypto lovers come to this forum and grow the family greater there is no doubt. But they should be real newbies
So basically the people who create such topics their main motive is hunting atleast a merit. It's normal though because we all love to earn merits. But most of the cases these newbies are not real and when they lost their first id anyway ( banned or tagged) they try to recover again and try to grow them from beginning.

I have no problem if it was done by a real newbie because I know about me when i was newbie here, but I am against them who are not real and come again and again with new accounts.

[Cryptomint9]

I have nothing against you. In fact, I am one of the user from many who believes in newbies and always give them the benefit of the doubt. However, what you are doing is not looking right. Please do not consider us a fool.  Do not pretend, if you have nothing to post then you really do not need to.

You do not need a friend, you do not need a God Father, if you are genuinely interested in Bitcoin and the community then study bitcoin and it's network. Learn the technology, learn the concept. Onec you go deeper and deeper you will find yourself having questions and answers. Create posts which are constructive but not cheesy and boring type of merit fishing. You will find people around you.

I just need that kind of guidelines. I don't want the merits do you want I will give you all my sMerits. I am trying learning going deeply want more information about cryptocurrencies world. Therefore giving time to the forum. I just shared my experience which I got. If these are boring so soon I will start the good topics.

And thanks for the suggestion that you said that go deeply. I will try to my best.
I will learn research and than ask and get knowledge.

[longlivecapitalism]

Well, when there is such a system as the merit system, a lot of newbies will try to abuse it to rank up. The smarter ones will do so subtly.

I've been here for years now, I'm old enough to remember a time before the merit system (I know my rank probably doesn't really show that but my activity and posting has never been consistent) and I've seen quite a lot of tricks made by newbies. I even tip my hat to some of them. But most of them are as subtle as an elephant 

[TGD]

Its normal to see many newbie hunting merits since its the only way to rank in the forum besides forum activity. They are the rank that probably the most eager to earn some of it. I'm not expecting too much about there post quality because newbie always a newbie unless they are alt account of some high rank account here.

There's always an ignore button or report to moderator if you find the post as low value. What I'm confused about was how the heck some newbie thread received a merit for a post of a general discussion or something that already recycle. I believe our attention must focus on the user that give the merit rather than the newbie itself.

[DdmrDdmr]

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I looked into that somewhat, but ages ago, so I’m pretty sure that the distribution has changed a fair share since then (see Forum Merited Messages – Does size count? – specifically section number 4). The analysis is from May 2018, not even half a year into the Merit System, so I wouldn’t put too much faith in it’s current validity.

On broader terms, many topics are created by all ranks for all sort of purposes. Obviously, there are many that aim at receiving merits, and a lot of them lack any real substance. The same might, at a different wording scale, apply to many other posts around the forum, that are more campaign quota related, than wanting to really add anything of value. It’s not infrequent to see threads where posts show clearly not having read the prior answers, and therefore swaying the conversation away from a more accurate route.

Merits were introduced to reduce spam, which I figure they have (I was not really around before), but they also lead to the creation of topics which otherwise may not have been created (with all sorts of outcome). Campaigns are though, probably the biggest post creating driver, being merits a stepping stone (occasionally a racing track). It’s a difficult equilibrium all in all …

[Hagz]

actually if we want to increase our rank there are many ways we can do it. first, we open topics of information that can be used as material for discussion, the second we can share what we know to share with others. if our writing can be accounted for, surely the other members can give merit as they like, as far as I know, the two methods are ways to get merit, if something is wrong please correct it. i am still newbie and still learning