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December 22, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
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There are no txid's disclosed in the databreach, so it will be difficult to conclude how much coin anyone who purchased a ledger had or has.

If Ledger company were recording txids and later that fact were to disclosed, it would be immediately driven out of business. I doubt they would take such a risk. But who knows?
They obviously have the txids of all the payments they have received, as they know the private keys of all the addresses they have received payment to. I don't think it would be a major breach of trust for a company to keep track of how each of their customers paid. They obviously need to keep track of if each customer paid or not.

A person's address is generally public information, at least most of the time. I would not be terribly worried about my address being in this breach.


Of course the address is public information, but
A) It doesnt say in the world wide web who lives there specifically
B) It doesnt say anywhere (well now it does) that they are associated with Bitcoin
C) All the info that goes with it, from phone number to email etc...

This is a major breach even it does not include amounts held by certain person...
The only real additional information leaked is the fact that each person at one point likely owned some amount of crypto at one point. Everything else is already public for many people.

There are a lot of people who purchased a ledger to store nominal or modest amounts of coin. There are probably many more people who have purchased a ledger who no longer have coin for one reason or another.

It's possible, but some criminal could simply assume you have coin and decide to harm you.
I don't think many people want to harm a person solely because they have a lot of money. It is probably more common for a criminal to threaten to harm someone unless they pay a ransom. If a criminal were to do this to someone without the means to pay, they would be risking years/decades in jail for nothing.

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December 22, 2020, 10:08:00 PM
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^^ Well you can tell that to the person/s I just got a death threat . So it's within the realm that this criminals are just lurking around those ledger owners, and we don't know when they are going to physically attack us in our home because Ledger f**k up their customers here big time.

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December 22, 2020, 10:37:26 PM
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The only real additional information leaked is the fact that each person at one point likely owned some amount of crypto at one point. Everything else is already public for many people.

No, no. The real additional information is that now my full name is connected to my private email address, home address and phone number, as well as information that I very likely have a certain amount of cryptocurrencies. That's more than enough to be the subject of targeted attacks by various criminals.

Look, I'm not trying to crucify anyone here, but if I buy something online and give my delivery address, I definitely don't expect the data to become accessible to the entire world through some publicly available API.

I don't think many people want to harm a person solely because they have a lot of money.

Are you serious? So it's perfectly normal for you to walk through a tough neighborhood at night with money sticking out of your pockets?  Grin



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December 22, 2020, 10:50:21 PM
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It is important not to panic and do some rush things because we all suspected for months that all customer data could be exposed.
Don't stop using Ledger wallet, but stop responding and reacting to emails you receive from scammers, and never enter your seed words on any website ever.

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December 23, 2020, 03:56:25 AM
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I fully understand that Ledger was most attractive to scammers as they are market leaders, but still they should focus more on the safety, and maybe not keep customer database if it's not required by some law. Why not just keeping email and that's it? Considering what they are selling, they should be  fully aware of the repercussions if something goes wrong, like it happened now.
It sure is required by law for them to store user’s data for some time. Not only by law, but also for stuff like customer service and stuff.

Well this is not going to happen for Trezor wallet exactly like that because SatoshiLabs have much better policy regarding keeping all customer data information and I think they delete everything after some time and you can ask them to delete everything at any time.
I don't support Trezor in any way, just saying the facts and Trezor have their own problems also.
They still store people’s data for 3 months. That fact doesn’t make them invulnerable to breaches, it’s just that the potential repercussions of a breach could mostly be less drastic, but it would still end up being a disaster.

If I read their statement in the email correctly, the data was leaked due to a fault in their e-commerce API.
Let's not imply, therefore, that this can happen to anyone. This is nothing but a Ledger's negligence.
..and that’s just one of many ways on how a database can be breached. It’s no doubt Ledger’s fault, but such breaches can definitely happen to anyone; yes, even to the tech giants.

Yes, even our beloved home, Bitcointalk got hacked sometime in the past.

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December 23, 2020, 05:34:39 AM
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Well, only the data was hacked and not the actual physical wallet. Therefore do not stop using this wallet as it is still the best that we can have at that price.

What you guys can do is to change your email address or stop responding to those emails and if possible the phone number. I do not know what will those guys do whose physical address has been compromised.

I am not promoting this product but I do not see any other product that matches its security.

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December 23, 2020, 06:24:38 AM
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Nope. Seriously done using the ledger...
Im not going to support or recommend a company that preaches security but leaks customer private data via an API and is terrible in letting users know.
They let us know that only a small portion was stolen and now after the fact let us know, oops its alot bigger portion.

Yeah, I done with them.
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December 23, 2020, 07:29:03 AM
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They didn't leak data via a "publicly available API"... it was supposedly "a misconfigured, third-party API key" that allowed unauthorised access.

How did this happen?

An attacker gained access to a portion of our e-commerce and marketing database through a third party’s API key, which allowed unauthorized access to our customers’ contact details and order data.
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Since when does this issue exist?

The third party API key misconfiguration at issue has been running since August 9th, 2018. Based on the evidence and log we have, we believe it was discovered and exploited from April 2020 to June 28th, 2020.

It's not like they just left the data sitting out in the open for anyone to access... Unfortunately, that doesn't change the fact that a lot of private data was stolen and has now been placed in the public domain Undecided

Really sucks for the 272,000 who have been affected by this... I don't see Ledger's reputation recovering for a long, long while.

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December 23, 2020, 07:56:55 AM
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They obviously have the txids of all the payments they have received, as they know the private keys of all the addresses they have received payment to. I don't think it would be a major breach of trust for a company to keep track of how each of their customers paid. They obviously need to keep track of if each customer paid or not.

I thought you were talking about something else, namely surveillance through their Ledger Live app. Do you mean they have all the information about people who bought a hardware wallet and paid with bitcoin? Of course, they have, and they record every transaction, each generated payment address is already associated with a particular person. All this is clearly stated in their Privacy Policy, they record almost everything about their customers. The bitcoin blockchain is transparent, and the possibility of customers' payment information leakage is high. That is why users should know beforehand what effective privacy techniques there are, how to reveal as little information as possible about how much bitcoin they got.
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December 23, 2020, 07:58:22 AM
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What worries me is that the criminals have gotten the physical addresses. We can change our email address, but our physical home? Yes, most likely this "cyber" criminals won't target our home, but it is not far fetch, and it could happen in the future.

So for Ledger users, we really need to be very very careful here, just saying.

That where the hit of the problem comes into play. some have got history with their home and as such a possible relocation for reasons of safety is often off the menu. This is how tangled and compromising ledger has got situation for a few users and with there terms of service, its unlikely possible to by pass filling in some necessary but compromising details and yet enjoy the full extent of a rather needed service. It becomes a problem, having your identity and address known and with the fact that your wallet address could be scanned easily and your worth or income relatively determined makes this escaped details a life threatening one.

Issues with emails can be resolved though not easily but then, its really disturbing when these security bridges happen. Ledger has to ensure extreme care on the people they work with as staff and the tight security protocols on its systems.

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December 23, 2020, 11:35:21 AM
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They didn't leak data via a "publicly available API"... it was supposedly "a misconfigured, third-party API key" that allowed unauthorised access.


Potayto, potahto. What difference does it make?

The fact remains, they shouldn't have allowed customer data to be made accessible through any API, either in-house or third-party. And as for their argument, please forgive me if I take it with a grain of salt. We all know what their first response to the incident was in July.

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they shouldn't have allowed customer data to be made accessible through any API, either in-house or third-party.

Not defending Ledger, but every business that asks for your information flows through an API. I'm a software engineer, an API to serve customer data is industry standard. But the industry standard is to secure your API. Ledger probably had poor security hygiene practices internally, which led to this.
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Not defending Ledger, but every business that asks for your information flows through an API. I'm a software engineer, an API to serve customer data is industry standard. But the industry standard is to secure your API. Ledger probably had poor security hygiene practices internally, which led to this.
As far as I can tell, they're claiming that it was a third-party service responsible for marketing, some outfit named "Iterable"...

Who is the third party solution? Why were they processing customers’ data?

Ledger e-commerce and marketing teams use a third-party solution (Iterable) to send and analyze transactional and marketing emails to customers who have bought products on ledger.com or have signed up to receive our newsletters.

So, it would seem that Ledger did not have enough oversight on how their partners were setting up/connecting to their systems to retrieve customer data... and Iterable fucked up when configuring their API access. Undecided

No doubt, the only winners in all of this will be lawyers while they argue about who is actually at fault while charging $$$/hr... and the scammers who manage to trap the unwary with their phishing emails/txts/phone calls... Undecided

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December 23, 2020, 08:21:38 PM
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that's some crazy news, all of them received emails saying that they're being watched and they should be scared for their lives, but it's just nonsense, i don't think people would go to someone's house to do god knows what, just for an unknown amount of money, people need to ignore those threats, it's better than responding with something that may trigger them.

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that's some crazy news, all of them received emails saying that they're being watched and they should be scared for their lives, but it's just nonsense, i don't think people would go to someone's house to do god knows what, just for an unknown amount of money, people need to ignore those threats, it's better than responding with something that may trigger them.

Its easy to say as an outsider... Roll Eyes
Just imagine you own a house, live their with your wife and kids and you receive threats that go against you and your family...
Please tell me again, to just ignore them threats and move along with life like nothing is going on.
Easy to say...
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that's some crazy news, all of them received emails saying that they're being watched and they should be scared for their lives, but it's just nonsense, i don't think people would go to someone's house to do god knows what, just for an unknown amount of money, people need to ignore those threats, it's better than responding with something that may trigger them.

Most holders of bitcoin in the Ledger have huge unknown number of btc in their wallets. So, obviously this threat should be takin care seriously. Not just making outright conclusion that this people exposing personal information of Ledger holders couldn't make the worst thing. Think again, everything can be done for money.

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December 23, 2020, 11:53:34 PM
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Look, I'm not trying to crucify anyone here, but if I buy something online and give my delivery address, I definitely don't expect the data to become accessible to the entire world through some publicly available API.
That is a very reasonable expectation, and I expect the same. My point is that if your information is leaked via the Ledger database hack, it will not be the end of the world.
I don't think many people want to harm a person solely because they have a lot of money.

Are you serious? So it's perfectly normal for you to walk through a tough neighborhood at night with money sticking out of your pockets?  Grin
Walking through a tough neighborhood with money sticking out of your pockets would probably result in you getting robbed.

They didn't leak data via a "publicly available API"... it was supposedly "a misconfigured, third-party API key" that allowed unauthorised access.

How did this happen?

An attacker gained access to a portion of our e-commerce and marketing database through a third party’s API key, which allowed unauthorized access to our customers’ contact details and order data.
....
Since when does this issue exist?

The third party API key misconfiguration at issue has been running since August 9th, 2018. Based on the evidence and log we have, we believe it was discovered and exploited from April 2020 to June 28th, 2020.

It's not like they just left the data sitting out in the open for anyone to access... Unfortunately, that doesn't change the fact that a lot of private data was stolen and has now been placed in the public domain Undecided

Really sucks for the 272,000 who have been affected by this... I don't see Ledger's reputation recovering for a long, long while.
It sounds like they were using a 3rd party service to help them with sending marketing emails, and they gave the 3rd party service access to the database via an API key.

This could have been that the API key was somehow leaked, or it could mean the 3rd party service had something misconfigured on their end that allowed their service to leak information it had access to.

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December 24, 2020, 02:59:55 AM
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they shouldn't have allowed customer data to be made accessible through any API, either in-house or third-party.

Not defending Ledger, but every business that asks for your information flows through an API. I'm a software engineer, an API to serve customer data is industry standard. But the industry standard is to secure your API. Ledger probably had poor security hygiene practices internally, which led to this.

If that is the case then they shouldn't be in this business in the first place if they supposedly promoting a wallet that is secure and yet in their own backyard, they have poor security hygiene.

This really stick out in the last couple of months and then the scammers released all the data to the public. Yes, it will not be end the world, you can change your email, but are we seriously going to patronize their product?

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December 24, 2020, 08:44:34 AM
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That's a lot of data leaked from Ledger server. Users are going to receive lot of spam emails like newsletters, phishing mails and lot more. What's best for them to do is to change their email address right away because their emails are going to be a target for hackers. Ledger should do good about securing people's data well in the future.

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December 24, 2020, 10:32:44 AM
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That's a lot of data leaked from Ledger server. Users are going to receive lot of spam emails like newsletters, phishing mails and lot more. What's best for them to do is to change their email address right away because their emails are going to be a target for hackers. Ledger should do good about securing people's data well in the future.


I just dont like the way the situation was handled...
The sentence, we cant go back in time, it happened. Oops. Lets think into the future.
Like really, you leaked data, private data on an already sensitive field and you dont seem to care that people are being threatened and harrased by data that you leaked!
It makes me mad how its all being handled!
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