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December 24, 2020, 09:38:43 PM
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Today I got an offer to buy 100+ of BTC and get a 25 usd voucher for the less used third account.

So I just did that. So I now have put in 360 to get 537 and I have a $25 coupon to use as I please as long as seller takes PayPal.

I'm legitimately surprised they are incentivizing crypto purchases, especially with this large of a rebate. If customers only do the minimum purchase, that's a 25% rebate. It's still a zero fee period too.

Avoid PayPal, they are no good. They are providing this option to ensure that they keep their user base.

No doubt about that. Square was going to eat them alive if they didn't make this move.

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December 25, 2020, 04:49:22 PM
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Degeneracy continues. Just bought another $100 worth of PPBTC. Stacked about 0.07 PPBTC total, so far.
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December 25, 2020, 07:26:42 PM
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Well it is not for you.

But if you want to mainstream btc you need to use real companies.

I'm ok with that, but aren't exchanges real companies?
I'm also ok with new companies entering the space, why shouln't I be, but this doesn't mean I'm to support every single one.
I don't like how PayPal's idea works for both fiat and cryptocurrencies that's why I've never used them for fiat and I'm not going to use them for bitcoin.

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Exchanges are not mainstream.
Paypal is mainstream.

They aren't mainstream YET, but some are on the right track with millions of fiat curencies exchanged every day.

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So what is mainstream in your country?
You need to realize that in order for mainstream acceptance it is going to be tax reportable if your country charges taxes.

to quote you "...I don't want my name to go to some tax agency with a label "owns bitcoins". "

All mainstream in almost all countries will involve taxes.

You're right but I'm going to buy as much time as possible and avoid companies that are going to spy on me for sure like Coinbase, Gemini, PayPal and similar. Some people here use  
For now I don't pay no capital gains if I hold for more than a year but I'm also doing my best not to get tagged because it's hard to explain how you got those bitcoins in the first place. If you have a lot of bitcoins that you haven't bought on exchange with KYC you're seen as either dark web trader, sex worker or some other money launderer.
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So I am just saying most people in bitcointalk miss out on what mainstream is if they think it won't be taxable.

In my country USA both coinbase and PayPal will report my holdings to the IRS.  I will pay the tax and do my accounting correctly.

I did not ask "to be born in the USA"

My birthplace was decided with out my consent. At my older age of 63 I am not going to move out of USA. So for me to correctly support BTC I pay taxes.

Anyone in my position already playing the game legally that can buy PayPal BTC legally should.

Not that they need to buy a lot just some.  Hell PayPal just gave 25 dollars to buy 100 usd worth of BTC and I did.

Fine, I'm half your age and I don't know what I'd do if I were at my 60s, but I still wouldn't be ok with PayPal spying on me and not providing me with my private keys. Not saying that you shouldn't use them but many people won't because the same thing can be done cheaper, without KYC and with less fee somewhere else.
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December 27, 2020, 12:31:49 AM
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I just bought another $100 worth of PPBTC @ $26,666.

What are you gonna do about it. Huh ?
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December 27, 2020, 12:37:41 PM
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I just bought another $100 worth of PPBTC @ $26,666.

What are you gonna do about it. Huh ?

I gave you 1 merit bob how about that.


I am doing 3 things at the same time.

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December 27, 2020, 12:53:07 PM
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Post made me smile, chortle a bit too loud for my comfort really haha, would merit if I had any but yeah man, that is pretty much as degen as it gets. Would definitely have stuffed some in myself if I had the option open.

Kind of crazy to see the weekend rally ongoing. Still surreal to remember $1000 BTC and wondering if it would hold...

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December 28, 2020, 07:24:04 AM
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I would say paypal money is a lot better used buying bitcoin directly instead of from them. I mean what stops you from withdrawing that money to your own bank account, then use that money to buy bitcoin? If you are involved with bitcoin that is a better way to do it. Obviously for people who are not familiar with bitcoin, it makes sense to spend that money on paypal itself to buy bitcoin, since you are not very familiar with bitcoin you may not know where else you should do it and could maybe trust paypal more than you trust other places, so it makes sense to buy directly from paypal.

However if you are already in the crypto world and if you already own bitcoin yourself, and if you already did all of this before, withdrawing that money to your bank account and buying bitcoin and putting it in your wallet is a lot safer and a lot better option if you ask me.

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December 28, 2020, 02:25:44 PM
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I mean what stops you from withdrawing that money to your own bank account, then use that money to buy bitcoin?

Absolutely nothing is stopping me from doing this.

I figured I'd dip my toes into this PPBTC shit to the tune of at least 4 digits USD, and see what happens.

As others mentioned already, I kinda get the "moral imperative" part of supporting any new Bitcoin on-ramp, but it's distasteful AF to me.

Won't be cashing out the coins until at least this time next year, for long-term capital gains reasons. Hopefully Paypal allows withdrawal of BTC into your own custody by then so I won't have to cash out at all.
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December 28, 2020, 08:55:46 PM
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Anyway, what are your thoughts on buying PPBTC ? I believe it's fully degenerate, mostly due to the fact you cannot transfer PPBTC out to your own custody.
I have seen reports that PayPal is planning to introduce these features next year and we have already seen reports about them purchase huge amounts of coins directly from the miners.

The only way I'm rationalizing it right now, is whatever PPBTC I'm scooping, aren't going to be sold for at least 365 days after they are purchased, so I'm at least being taxed at long-term capital gains.
I am yet to purchase using PayPal as i am not comfortable with the current process as you cannot hold the coins and when they start allowing to withdraw the coins then i might use the platform. When filing the tax all the other incomes can be termed as long term capital gains and i did file like that in the past when i profited from the last rally.
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December 28, 2020, 10:33:50 PM
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I mean what stops you from withdrawing that money to your own bank account, then use that money to buy bitcoin?

Absolutely nothing is stopping me from doing this.

I figured I'd dip my toes into this PPBTC shit to the tune of at least 4 digits USD, and see what happens.

As others mentioned already, I kinda get the "moral imperative" part of supporting any new Bitcoin on-ramp, but it's distasteful AF to me.

Won't be cashing out the coins until at least this time next year, for long-term capital gains reasons. Hopefully Paypal allows withdrawal of BTC into your own custody by then so I won't have to cash out at all.

I don't love Paypal much at all.  I have used them for 17 maybe 18 years.

I sold a lot of modded mac mini's on eBay 2006 to 2014 then apple made the gear too hard to mod. I shift to BTC and pc builds.  SO I would like to thank ebay ,PayPal, and apple for being here on bitcointalk.

I will end up buying around 1000 usd over 2021 . added to my 550+

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December 30, 2020, 09:53:16 PM
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I just did it again. Just stacked another $100 in PPBTC @ $28,852.21 USD/BTC.

Going full-retard here.

Yeehaw.
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December 31, 2020, 05:29:35 PM
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Hurr durr muh name is Berb and I just burt sum mur $100 USB worth of PPBTC @ $28,690.62 becurse meesa durr.

Alcohol is definitely involved.
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