Cryptomint9 not a plagiarist?

[lovesmayfamilis]

I would like to reach out to the community to find out the plagiarism rules again.
If a user copies someone else's article or a post from the forum, then translates it into another language, and posts a new post in the locale into which the text was translated.
Is this considered plagiarism, with the condition that there are absolutely no links to sources? That is, we can assume that the person who wrote the post assumes the authorship.
I have submitted several reports to the moderators, but they have remained unverified.
Maybe I don't understand something? I've seen translations of posts in the past, but there have always been links to the source and authors.
Has anything changed since then?

Plagiarism (copy paste).
User: Cryptomint9
Post link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5300187.msg55831530#msg55831530
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The same plagiarism, the same text, but for some reason, it was forgiven by the moderators, today appears in Spanish without providing a link to the source.
I ask you to ban this account, since the person does not read the rules, but is only looking for ways to cheat.

Another plagiarism has been completely translated into Spanish by google translator.
Note that while on the bitcointalk.org forum, he didn't even bother to change the text.
This is not the first time this user has been plagiarized. Look for trust.


The next plagiarism, which is also copied and translated into Spanish via Google Translate.

¡Esta sería la primera vez que informo sobre un determinado sitio falso de electrum y descarga que está siendo fijado por Google Ads!  Al principio, trato de no consultar el sitio porque necesito una billetera electrum para mi escritorio.  Como parte del control de seguridad, leí el sitio y algo no estaba bien.  Entonces comencé a sospechar y a navegar por otro sitio para verificar y comparar los resultados después de usar el motor de búsqueda de Google.  Entonces, afortunadamente descubrí que el sitio de la billetera electrum bitcoin que intenté descargar era un sitio falso.

 ¡Así que aquí está la captura de pantalla que tomé del sitio falso de electrum que estaba siendo fijado por los anuncios de Google!  Espero recibir ayuda para denunciar este sitio falso.  ¡Gracias!



Beware of this Fake site below!
https://xn--lectrum-s8a.org/#home

https://web.archive.org/web/20201222060846/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5300769.msg55847880

Good Day!

This would be my first time to report about a certain fake electrum site and download which is being pinned by Google Ads! At first I try not to check the site because I am in need of an electrum wallet for my desktop. As part of security check I did read the site and something was not right. So I began suspecting and browse another site to check and compare the results after using the google search engine. So, luckily I found out that the site of electrum bitcoin wallet I tried to download was a fake site.

So here is the screenshot I took from the fake electrum site which was being pinned by the google ads! I hope to get help to report this fake site. Thanks!

Google Pinned Ads!

Beware of this Fake site below!
https://xn--lectrum-s8a.org/#home

https://web.archive.org/web/20201222061119/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5299598.msg55816320

[NotATether]

The obvious logic one would use is that if you copy and paste anyone's post and put it in an image, translate it or do whatever then you are required to include a link to the original post or else provide appropriate attribution.

That example you posted is plagiarism with this thinking.

[Pmalek]

The first thread of his you linked to (the one about crypto millionaires) has been deleted. The mods obviously considered it as plagiarism. The posts in Spanish are still there. Maybe no mod wants to handle the reports yet because they don't know the language. Does the Spanish sub-forum have a local mod? Maybe getting him involved would help your case. PM him about it and if he agrees with you, he can contact his forum superiors.     

[DdmrDdmr]

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Yes, the Spanish forum does have a standing moderator (@Welsh), who normally deals with the reports swiftly enough (at least by my experience), although I reported @Cryptomint9 thrice something like 5 days ago, on three different posts following the same pattern, and those reports are still unhandled. I do report in English, although reports in Spanish are just as easily dealt with over there.

[Marvelman]

As far as I've heard, users have been kicked out for much less before. I guess there are some double standards on the forum.
 

[lovesmayfamilis]

As far as I've heard, users have been kicked out for much less before. I guess there are some double standards on the forum.
 

Perhaps we would understand that forgiving a newcomer is the only case of his plagiarism. But it becomes regular with this account. He abuses and comes up with different options. And that's what's annoying. Earlier, as you say, and you are right, there were smaller violations, due to which many people left the forum.
Therefore, I believe that today, despite the upcoming holidays or, on the contrary, a pandemic, such concessions cannot be made.

[AB de Royse777]

If a user copies someone else's article or a post from the forum, then translates it into another language, and posts a new post in the locale into which the text was translated.
Is this considered plagiarism, with the condition that there are absolutely no links to sources? That is, we can assume that the person who wrote the post assumes the authorship.

It can be taken as a translation, but I think the user needs to make it clear in the topic title that this is a translation. They can include the source if they want but as long as it says translation they should be fine.

However, if this is a translation using any automatic translation software then there are things to be concerned. And these days users also your article spinning software too. If the translated lines and formation of the words are following a specific pattern then this will surely be an article spinning using automatic software.

[Lucius]

Maybe no mod wants to handle the reports yet because they don't know the language.    

That's probably what it's all about, because every case of plagiarism is carefully considered before a final decision is made - and given the language barrier, there is a wait for someone who will undoubtedly be able to make the right decision. Given the time of year and the overall situation we need to have an understanding that everything is going a bit slow - therefore I do not think this case will remain unresolved, it is only a matter of time.

[Daniel91]

I think it is important to distinguish the original idea from the copied idea or thought.
Whether someone's idea or text is transferred from the same language or translated from another language, it is still a copied text and not the original text.
The original author should be mentioned and it is not right for someone else to take the credit.
I think the same rules should apply, regardless of whether it is the same language or translation.
Someone put effort into writing some text, analysis, thinking, anything and someone else just copied (and translated using the Google tool in seconds) and took it as if it were his original work.
That's just not right.

[The Cryptovator]

If a user copies someone else's article or a post from the forum, then translates it into another language, and posts a new post in the locale into which the text was translated.
Is this considered plagiarism, with the condition that there are absolutely no links to sources? That is, we can assume that the person who wrote the post assumes the authorship.

Such as post should mark as obvious plagiarism. Adding source links would consider as translation, otherwise, it should consider plagiarism. I can't find any reasonable excuse why shouldn't it consider plagiarism. I don't know why your report still pending, perhaps it would easier to handle for local moderators. You can report to the moderator from the local board as well with the post link that you made reported on the LoyceV thread. So, local moderators would notice and take action against plagiariser. 

[lovesmayfamilis]

You can report to the moderator from the local board as well with the post link that you made reported on the LoyceV thread. So, local moderators would notice and take action against plagiariser. 

I agree and think that moderator @Welsh will see this thread and draw the right conclusions.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

It is plagiarism but if moderators feel softer to ban users, it can be why Cryptomint9 is not banned. If Cryptomint9 plagiarized few times and is reported, ban will be taken place.

People really should be given a warning about plagiarism as obviously not all plagiarism is equal. There's obviously a huge difference between someone who comes here and tries to milk signature campaigns or farm accounts by using someone else's postings either from this forum or elsewhere but if someone just posts an incorrectly quoted/sourced answer from google to a question someone asked then that really shouldn't be the end of their account. A warning or at the very most a short temp ban should be enough.
Obviously most of us know that plagiarism is wrong but sometimes it's just down to naivety more than anything and a lot of time won't be done with malicious intent with or without a signature. We also really need to get that welcome message sorted where users are urged to read the rules or are given a handful of the most important ones upon sign-up. That alone would stop a lot of this from ever happening.

[libert19]

I despise who copy paste every single line then put the source at the end of it to rub their hands off, I don't understand how forum let go of such posts either. 

[Marvelman]

I despise who copy paste every single line then put the source at the end of it to rub their hands off, I don't understand how forum let go of such posts either. 

If you ask me, I'd delete every one of those posts unless they're in the Press category of the forum. If someone wants to convey some information from an external source, all they have to do is set up a link to that content. There is no need to copy word by word when there is no added value to the original content.

[zasad@]

The obvious logic one would use is that if you copy and paste anyone's post and put it in an image, translate it or do whatever then you are required to include a link to the original post or else provide appropriate attribution.

That example you posted is plagiarism with this thinking.

Plagiarism posting does not apply to images. This was confirmed by Global Moderator.

Thank you all for your answers, I think the discussion of this issue has been exhausted. / Below is the answer by mprep (Global Moderator).

33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e] - Does this rule apply to images?

AFAIK no, it doesn't apply to images.

Thank you, can I quote you?

Feel free.

But now I don't know if this rule applies to all pictures with text in them or not.
But if you look at many topics, we can see that many users insert pictures with texts, and they were not accused of plagiarism.

[Marvelman]

But now I don't know if this rule applies to all pictures with text in them or not.
But if you look at many topics, we can see that many users insert pictures with texts, and they were not accused of plagiarism.

They should be. Plagiarism is plagiarism, whether it is text, image or text in an image.

[DdmrDdmr]

It is plagiarism but if moderators feel softer to ban users, it can be why Cryptomint9 is not banned. If Cryptomint9 plagiarized few times and is reported, ban will be taken place.<…>

Well on the 17/12/2020, I reported three different posts that appeared on my local board, created by @Cryptomint9. All three were copy/[google]translate/paste without a source. Two were copied from Cryptotalk of all places, and another one copied/[google]translated from @jademaxsuy.

Strangely enough, one of the three reports is marked as good (the other two remain unhandled), but the posts the report refers to remains where it was, and the poster is still not banned.

[LoyceV]

They should be. Plagiarism is plagiarism, whether it is text, image or text in an image.

I think it's implied images aren't created by whoever posts it. I wouldn't like it if someone just takes an image I created though.

I think plagiarism rules need an update. It's not that difficult to start a copied text with "I copied/translated this from xx", followed by quote-tags.

[Marvelman]

I think plagiarism rules need an update. It's not that difficult to start a copied text with "I copied/translated this from xx", followed by quote-tags.

Yeah. I couldn't agree more. Surely this approach would help to set aside any misunderstanding.
Proper quotation and proper attribution of quotations and there is no need for plagiarism.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I don't know how many plagiarism perks the moderators will give to this user. But I again observe insolent plagiarism, in two sections of the forum at once. And as always, without providing links to the source.

Plagiarism (copy paste).
User: Cryptomint9
Post link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5305488.msg55986545#msg55986545
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Also, this topic without source is translated and is in the Pakistani section

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg55995805#msg55995805
https://web.archive.org/web/20210102065550/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg55995805

Is the whole topic still missing proving that this account is constantly copying everything from the Internet?