Brexit Deal Done finally!!!

[Juggy777]

I’m so happy to see some positive news in this nightmare year, because finally Britain will exit with a trade deal in place. Furthermore I’m yet studying the impact that this deal will have on Britain, but wanted to know from you’ll is this the deal that Britain residents wanted?.

Sources:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/24/europe/brexit-deal-uk-eu-gbr-intl/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/uk-stricter-lockdown-for-millions-due-to-new-covid-strain/

[Cnut237]

is this the deal that Britain residents wanted?.

It's better than no deal, but no, it's not what many of us wanted, and it's not what I wanted. Brexit is a victory for xenophobia and for the racist flag-wavers who still cling to a delusion of British supremacy. The days of empire are thankfully long gone, but many people want it all back. 'Taking back control' is a nonsensical soundbite, as in practice the UK will need to remain aligned with EU legislation and standards. Control of immigration is nonsense, too, as the UK is heavily dependent on migrant workers in many sectors, for example seasonal agriculture and the NHS.

Brexit is perhaps the only trade deal in history where the aim has been to make trade more difficult and more expensive. It's a triumph for idiocy, bigotry, small-mindedness and prejudice, and is indicative of the state of modern politics.

Entirely unsurprisingly, this is being heralded as a UK 'victory'.


https://order-order.com/2020/12/24/exclusive-governments-own-deal-analysis-scorecard-reckons-uk-won-43-of-negotiating-issues-40-were-compromises-17-eu-wins/

Of course in reality the EU as the larger power has much greater control over the final terms. You can imagine a bargaining scenario like this:
UK: 10 billion!
EU: 30 billion.
UK: Alright, 15 billion.
EU: We'll grudgingly go to 29 billion.
UK: 20 billion is our final offer.
EU: Okay, 28 billion.
UK: 27 billion?
EU: Agreed just to shut you up. Thank god we got there in the end.
UK: We win! They accepted out terms! We wanted 27 billion and they agreed! Victory! Britain rules!

[squatz1]

is this the deal that Britain residents wanted?.

It's better than no deal, but no, it's not what many of us wanted, and it's not what I wanted. Brexit is a victory for xenophobia and for the racist flag-wavers who still cling to a delusion of British supremacy. The days of empire are thankfully long gone, but many people want it all back. 'Taking back control' is a nonsensical soundbite, as in practice the UK will need to remain aligned with EU legislation and standards. Control of immigration is nonsense, too, as the UK is heavily dependent on migrant workers in many sectors, for example seasonal agriculture and the NHS.

Brexit is perhaps the only trade deal in history where the aim has been to make trade more difficult and more expensive. It's a triumph for idiocy, bigotry, small-mindedness and prejudice, and is indicative of the state of modern politics.

Eh I wouldn't go that far with all of the Brexit stuff.

I'd say that the people wanted a return to THEM having control of their country and what they could do with it. It shouldn't be up to some international body with in Brussels to decide if they'd be able to fish or how many refugees they have to take. This is really an argument with big government and small government, not anythign else.

Trade deal was never going to be amazing, but yet again this is better then a no deal with a hard exit from the EU's trading systems.

[Cnut237]

I'd say that the people wanted a return to THEM having control of their country and what they could do with it. It shouldn't be up to some international body with in Brussels to decide if they'd be able to fish

The Brexit agreement means that the EU share of fishing from British waters will be reduced by 25%, and that this will take place gradually over 5 years. The 'British negotiating triumph' is actually merely a minor realignment. In practice any trade agreement involves give and take.
The price for taking back full control would have been hugely economically damaging to the UK, and was something that even 'Trump-lite' Boris Johnson was unwilling to countenance.

But yes, you're right. Brexit was largely about reducing EU influence, so mission slightly accomplished in that regard. The mistake of course is in equating independence with power: Brexit, indisputably, weakens the UK. We are a small country on the edge of Europe, and are much stronger as a part of a larger bloc than when trying to stand on our own.

[squatz1]

I'd say that the people wanted a return to THEM having control of their country and what they could do with it. It shouldn't be up to some international body with in Brussels to decide if they'd be able to fish

The Brexit agreement means that the EU share of fishing from British waters will be reduced by 25%, and that this will take place gradually over 5 years.
In practice any trade agreement involves give and take.
The price for taking back full control would have been hugely economically damaging to the UK, and was something that even 'Trump-lite' Boris Johnson was unwilling to countenance.

But yes, you're right. Brexit was largely about reducing EU influence, so mission slightly accomplished in that regard. The mistake of course is in equating independence with power: Brexit, indisputably, weakens the UK. We are a small country on the edge of Europe, and are much stronger as a part of a larger bloc than when trying to stand on our own.

Could be argued that the bulk of the financial sectors being in the UK + its very close relationship with the US (moreso then any other country in the EU) make it a much stronger country then anyone in the EU.

I'm not super familiar with what the EU does and how the rules work in an international bloc, though I do understand why people would be angry about bureaucrats in brussels having more control over their life then their own politicians. That's the argument we have in the US about the federal government vs state government vs local government every day, lol. At least in the US thougb the people that are making regulations are at least from your country, they may be in Washington DC but they're still from America.

[mindrust]

I'd say that the people wanted a return to THEM having control of their country and what they could do with it. It shouldn't be up to some international body with in Brussels to decide if they'd be able to fish

The Brexit agreement means that the EU share of fishing from British waters will be reduced by 25%, and that this will take place gradually over 5 years.

This must be a joke. Aren't there enough fish in the water to feed everybody? Are they figting over fish now?

[Mauser]

I’m so happy to see some positive news in this nightmare year, because finally Britain will exit with a trade deal in place. Furthermore I’m yet studying the impact that this deal will have on Britain, but wanted to know from you’ll is this the deal that Britain residents wanted?.

Sources:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/24/europe/brexit-deal-uk-eu-gbr-intl/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/uk-stricter-lockdown-for-millions-due-to-new-covid-strain/

This is awesome, we really needed that. UK and European mainland are so close connected, not having a deal would have been madness. I hope everything goes through and everybody is going to be happy. Just looking at the 2 days lockdown in France and UK was masive. So many poor truck drivers where stranded at the boarder.

[squatz1]

I'd say that the people wanted a return to THEM having control of their country and what they could do with it. It shouldn't be up to some international body with in Brussels to decide if they'd be able to fish

The Brexit agreement means that the EU share of fishing from British waters will be reduced by 25%, and that this will take place gradually over 5 years.

This must be a joke. Aren't there enough fish in the water to feed everybody? Are they figting over fish now?

Crazily enough that really was apart of the Brexit deal that people cared about, obviously the ones that cares about this were in the fishing industry. Here’s a bit of the info on that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Fisheries_Policy - Though this is just some info on how fishing is regulated in the EU

https://www.bbc.com/news/46401558 - This is on some of the more recent stuff, though I can’t seem to find the old stories from awhile ago.

May not seem like a lot, though fishing is a VERY large industry in the UK (and obviously in other EU countries)

[Cnut237]

This must be a joke. Aren't there enough fish in the water to feed everybody? Are they figting over fish now?

It's not really about the fish. A lot of the Brexit stuff was about disentangling the UK from Europe, nationalist sentiment stoked up by the media into a frenzy of xenophobia and 'this is our country, not yours!'. Fishing rights is not so much about fish as it is about 'this is our water! ours! get your foreign boats out of here!'.

Regarding your other point though, and not related to Brexit, no, there aren't enough fish in the water. Many fisheries around the world are hugely depleted and no longer sustainable. Overfishing is a massive global problem.

[mindrust]

Regarding your other point though, and not related to Brexit, no, there aren't enough fish in the water. Many fisheries around the world are hugely depleted and no longer sustainable. Overfishing is a massive global problem.

Then maybe Bill Gates is right about overpopulation. We must maintain the balance. At least half of the world population should not exist. 

[squatz1]

This must be a joke. Aren't there enough fish in the water to feed everybody? Are they figting over fish now?

It's not really about the fish. A lot of the Brexit stuff was about disentangling the UK from Europe, nationalist sentiment stoked up by the media into a frenzy of xenophobia and 'this is our country, not yours!'. Fishing rights is not so much about fish as it is about 'this is our water! ours! get your foreign boats out of here!'.

Regarding your other point though, and not related to Brexit, no, there aren't enough fish in the water. Many fisheries around the world are hugely depleted and no longer sustainable. Overfishing is a massive global problem.

+1 to that.

Fishing rights was one of the things that the pro brexit people were pushing, though it was just another piece of the puzzle in regards to showing that they weren’t in complete control of their country and the waters that were surrounding it. It’s tough to think about the fact that people in Brussels, who aren’t British, are determining who is going to profit from ‘British Waters’

[franky1]

Could be argued that the bulk of the financial sectors being in the UK + its very close relationship with the US (moreso then any other country in the EU) make it a much stronger country then anyone in the EU.

research freeports.
america pay 20% tarrif to EU for direct shipping
UK pay 0% to EU for direct shipping

in 2021 america will dock at a UK freeport. re-jig their paperwork and then ship to the EU under the pretense its then UK goods.
UK get to charge US anything under 19% and everyone is happy. UK keep those charges. us pay less tarrifs

[aesma]

franky1 : that is not allowed, there are rules of origin.

[franky1]

franky1 : that is not allowed, there are rules of origin.

australia transport wine in big vats/caskets to the UK..
UK bottle it.
UK sell it to europe as 'australian wine bottled in UK'.
now its a UK origin product because UK done something to it
yet now australia can sell wine to europe tarriff free
...
you would be surprised what they get away with.

rules of origin at normal ports. have slightly different rules than what coming via freeports

A firm can import goods into a Freeport without paying tariffs, process them into a final good and then either pay a tariff on goods sold into the domestic market, or export the final goods without paying UK tariffs.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-outlines-new-plans-for-freeports-to-turbo-charge-post-brexit-trade

you will be surprised what little needs to be done to 'process them into a final good'

be sure to keep an eye on products that say '[random country] [product] packaged in the UK'
american made iphone. reboxed in the uk

[DaveF]

american China made iphone. reboxed in the uk

But seriously, as soon as it was signed all of my clients that had anything left in the UK started final preparations to leave 100%.
They had been waiting (knowing it was probably in vain) for them to stay or at least accept more normal terms.
But for foreign businesses they were just handed a massive increase in costs, so they bailed.

More work for me :-)
Have to work odd hours due to the time difference :-(

-Dave