Remove Signatures from Altcoin-sections

[tk808]

Break incentivized posting on altcoin sections. Break the mass spam of the puppet masters.

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[RapTarX]

That will eventually lead you to the old saying; remove signatures from the forum. Imagine altcoin section don't allow signature; there will be no less of signature spammer. Same number of participants will flood the other section and thus, question will be there- remove signature globally? But I guess theymos isn't into that. I would prefer having some more moderators for that section.

[Coyster]

+1, and a good idea, at least for the altcoin sections (alone), most of the spammers post there cause they are in one signature campaign or the other, if signatures are removed from that section, the spam will definitely reduce and activity on that board will go down as well. But having said that, you and I know the spammers aren't going to leave the forum after that, they'll prolly move over to another board, most prolly the Bitcoin discussion section, and that way, imo, we've actually not solved anything, other than moving the spammers from one board to another.

If you ask me, I'll say the best way is to tackle the root cause of the problem which is 'spam', maybe more stringent moderation in the altcoin section, temporary bans for users with multiple cases of blatant spamming, mass removal of spam posts, and users must contribute as well to report those posts to the moderators, the only problem is quite a lot of users either have the altcoin section on ignore or hardly ever go there to see what's up in there. Just my two cents, and btw tk808 you do a good 'job' to encourage good posts in that section by meriting them, well done.

[actmyname]

That will eventually lead you to the old saying; remove signatures from the forum. Imagine altcoin section don't allow signature; there will be no less of signature spammer. Same number of participants will flood the other section and thus, question will be there- remove signature globally?

No. Altcoin sections can create bounties for free. Signature campaigns require BTC-based payments. This is the difference.

Just ban anyone who spams: isn't it that simple? Most altcoin signature campaign members I come across will tend to shit out pages upon pages of one/two-liners - moderation would help in the section but if you wiped signatures that takes care of half of the work (probably more).

users must contribute as well to report those posts to the moderators, the only problem is quite a lot of users either have the altcoin section on ignore or hardly ever go there to see what's up in there.

From my experience, any time I want to go to that section I put aside effectively a half-hour of time for the amount of reports I would need to do. One reason to do something about the 4-second limit on reports.

[mk4]

I totally hate altcoin spammers(or spammers in general) probably as much as you do, but it would probably be a bad move in a business perspective. Doing that would most definitely decrease user activity(both legitimate and spam) hence potentially decreasing demand from ad space buyers. Mods/admins just need to be more strict concerning spammers especially on that specific section. Especially recently whereas we’ve been getting hit by more spammers, it’d probably be a great idea for Theymos to hire more forum mods.

[shield132]

I think even this won't solve the problem in altcoin sections. People have spam in their blood, veins. Idk if it sounds funny and illogical for you but personally I think that people will spam with the same rate even if we remove signatures.

But at the same time if we remove signatures in altcoin section, then the wave of spammers will invade the other four sections. As I mentioned, we can't fix the problem and even if we try to fix that way, then it will cause worsening of the situation in other sections.

Also, huge traffic comes on altcoin sections and theymos knows that. The traffic of this website generates revenue, higher traffic = more money. It should cost a decent amount of money to keep this forum (servers, etc) and moderators, we shouldn't blame theymos.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Same number of participants will flood the other section and thus, question will be there- remove signature globally?

Yep, you nailed it.  If you banned signature advertising in only the altcoin section(s), the shitposters would readily flock to other sections like Bitcoin Discussion, which is already a cesspool of garbage.  I don't think that section should be ruined any more than it has been.

And you're also right, it then would come down to a question of whether to eliminate signatures altogether, and Theymos has voiced his opinion on that already--he's not for it.  All of those bounty hunters and signature campaigners bring in a lot of traffic to the site, and if sigs were done away with this forum would probably be as dead as a lot of other cryptocurrency forums (like the ones for specific altcoins).  I don't think anyone really wants to see that happen.

[actmyname]

if sigs were done away with this forum would probably be as dead as a lot of other cryptocurrency forums (like the ones for specific altcoins).  I don't think anyone really wants to see that happen.

Do the ends justify the means? It's almost as if we're taking the same approach to the Investor-based games section: "aye, it's illegal and a scam but we needed a section otherwise they would spam it elsewhere!!!"

How many topics in the Altcoin boards are scams?

What percentage of the Altcoin Discussion board is filled with useless, generic content and equally useless one-liner spam?If you're willing to honor the whole, "signatures cause traffic, therefore traffic is good," mantra then one seeks to question whether the ends justify the means: how much of that traffic is reduced to noise, and how many individuals (not users) are actually posting in that section? Wages dictate the quality of work, and if these people are working for tokens that are most likely worthless or scams, essentially looking at bounties as gambling on a jackpot (look at some threads that echo this)... how can you expect there to be any post quality at all? It's no wonder account farming and alts are rampant there, since you want to get as many shots as possible at concurrent bounties.

The egregious spam on the forum has become the status quo. So much for Rule #1.

[Scam Exposey]

You guys creating a way to make forum dies, since imagine many forums paid their posters just to create a post to make their forum alive and guess you are suggesting a way to eliminate them?

Do you think it's beneficial to remove the signatures there?

Well that's a big NO. If you think the post is spam then click report moderator and let the mods decide if that is total spam.

Hypocrisy towards this will have a huge impact on the forum, We have mods around and believe me guys bitcointalk will slowly die if no signature opportunity will be allowed in altcoin section or even everywhere.

If you really want to help then reporting is enough and don't create a scene which not give any benefits to all users here.

[Oshosondy]

Altcoin section is also contributing good to this forum wellness, many people on this forum do not know the more we are the more will be shit posters and also average posters of different categories. If signature is removed from the altcoin boards, it just simple means altcoin boards posting activities will reduce. The bitcoin boards will be unfit for many members of this forum in a way they will have to leave therefore reducing bitcointalk members which can be detrimental.

[The Cryptovator]

Nothing will change, the altcoin section isn't something much important like a serious discussion. So banning Signature there will stop engage discussion from that board. But it doesn't mean spammers will leave that forum. They will continue spamming all over the forum again and we will face another issue. I think most altcoins Signature participants posting there, very rarely BTC paying participants posting there, even they are posting their post aren't obvious spam at all. Managers should take are such spams who are managing the campaign. For example, the Chipmixer manager doesn't count posts from the altcoin section.

[NotATether]

I don't agree with this because there are certain subboards in Altcoin discussion full of threads where people actually accomplish something. I'm talking specifically about the Altcoins Mining board. The amount of spam there is much less than the rest of that board.

[Poker Player]

No. Altcoin sections can create bounties for free. Signature campaigns require BTC-based payments. This is the difference.

So, I take it that the merit system is useless there?

I never visit that section, not because of the spamming, just because I'm not interested in alts but it seems to me that having to gain some merits in order to be accepted into (bitcoin) signature campaigns supposes a barrier for spammers who either have to give up, or they have to make an effort in order to get merit.

[actmyname]

No. Altcoin sections can create bounties for free. Signature campaigns require BTC-based payments. This is the difference.

So, I take it that the merit system is useless there?

I never visit that section, not because of the spamming, just because I'm not interested in alts but it seems to me that having to gain some merits in order to be accepted into (bitcoin) signature campaigns supposes a barrier for spammers who either have to give up, or they have to make an effort in order to get merit.

Why would spammers bother trying to get into bitcoin campaigns when they can much more easily spew dozens of posts with generic content? Why bother actually reading anything when you can either quote someone, agree with their bullshit and rephrase it, say something extremely simplistic, and/or read the title of the thread and respond within a minute?

Plus... even if they were aiming for higher-quality posts (let's be honest, the barrier of entry to beat most altcoin replies is very low) that wouldn't stop them from continuing their account farms. Participating in bounties while replying effortlessly is like writing down a few sentences every day as an analogue to the lottery: most of the campaigns will result in failure but all it takes is one to succeed. The spam is cyclical in its expansion: its prevalence gives credence to more account farming and an air of normalcy to the cesspool of irrelevance.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Nothing will change, the altcoin section isn't something much important like a serious discussion. So banning Signature there will stop engage discussion from that board.

Doubt that'll be the outcome, it'll definitely have an immediate effect on the board which would reduced the traffic coming from that board. If you take time to read post in the board you'll observe most posters there are only posting because the campaign they're promoting demand them to, in order to get paid and not posting because they're interested in the topic been discussed. My interactions with the board reduced because I noticed me constantly reading low quality post affected my thinking.

There's so much spam on the board that this would had been the best solution although it isn't. Banning signature isn't the way forward instead regulating it is but I guess that's a dead demand since the forum has vowed not to have anything to do with signature campaign in regards to regulating it.

Signature is a vital reselling point of the forum. It attractive both companies wanting to promote their project to a larger audience and also promoters wanting to earn few extra bucks.

[lovesmayfamilis]

In my opinion, this section just gathers all the spammers and works positively in the sense that many of them do not post anywhere else at all. Let them hang out in the altcoins section, otherwise, it will look like a hydra that multiplies everywhere.
This little evil is much better than farm accounts spreading unnecessary information around the forum.

[Pmalek]

I wouldn't want to see that happen. It's better to have stricter rules for altcoin sig spammers and hit them with signature bans if necessary. Has anyone watched the TV series The Wire? They had an interesting way to battle the drug problem in Baltimore. They made the sale and use of drugs allowed in one neighborhood of the city. That caused all the drug dealers and junkies go to that part of the city to buy and sell drugs. The rest of city was much cleaner after that.   

[Mpamaegbu]

Even thought I do believe the Altcoin Section is mostly populated with spam posts and of the fact that most bounties run there end as scam, I still am of the opinion that bounty campaigns should be allowed to thrive there. All what the mods or theymos need do is step up the game to sanitize the section. Remove bounties there, bitcointalk forum will lose a great deal of revenue and publicity to rivalry fora.

You guys creating a way to make forum dies, since imagine many forums paid their posters just to create a post to make their forum alive and guess you are suggesting a way to eliminate them?

So true. I remember a few years ago the creator of ICO Forum, a crypto site just like BTT rushed to this forum to offer high yield bounty campaign to those who wanted. I noticed how the traffic on the site went up astronomically because of that as many users here quickly registered on that forum and there was transfer of knowledge and expertise. Sadly, the bounty didn't last long as the bounty manager was alleged to have embezzled campaign funds in ETH. The lesson is "money moves places." Or you can say in the parlance of my people — Money stops nonsense.

Well that's a big NO. If you think the post is spam then click report moderator and let the mods decide if that is total spam.

That isn't radical enough an approach for me.

Hypocrisy towards this will have a huge impact on the forum, We have mods around and believe me guys bitcointalk will slowly die if no signature opportunity will be allowed in altcoin section or even everywhere.

This is an open secret, even though certain users will want to claim ending signature or bounty campaigns here won't affect the forum. It will! Simple and short!

[hilariousetc]

If you're going to remove them from one section then you may as well remove them from all boards as this doesn't solve the problem at all. All it will do is push the spam onto other subs where they can monetise it, thus making the forum overall worse. I'd rather the spam be in there than everywhere else but even the spam in the alt coin section would be better tackled by alternative means. If someone is paying them to do this then they should face repercussions along with the users making the mess. People would soon get the idea if there was recursions for this behaviour but if we don't crack down on it and let campaigns largely police themselves then they will continue to be lazy and abuse the system.

[Nellayar]

Break incentivized posting on altcoin sections. Break the mass spam of the puppet masters.

It might be good to control post spamming since the topic here are just speculations about altcoin and discussions to the altcoins. But I think, it might also affect the number of people who are willing to post in this section. Remove the spammers but not the signatures because even the whole forum have no signatures, if there are spammers around. Spammung activity will just continue to exist. If you want to change something, do not just cut the root but the whole tree.